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Title: Alabama
Post by: Lunar on January 13, 2009, 02:21:26 PM
Kind of old news, but nothing about it:

http://www.clantonadvertiser.com/news/2008/dec/17/rep-davis-all-announces-alabama-governor/

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"I think there are going to be eight or nine of us who are going to be getting in the governor's race. And I think the eight or nine of us will be making announcements between January and March," he told reporters.

As for himself, he said, "I am going to save the formal announcement until early February."

Davis said he will follow the announcement with a tour of the state.

Republican Gov. Bob Riley has served two terms and can't run again in 2010. No Democrat has formally announced a candidacy, but Lt. Gov. Jim Folsom Jr., state Agriculture Commissioner Ron Sparks, and House Speaker Seth Hammett have said they are considering it.

Before Davis makes an announcement in February, he's got another big event coming up. On Jan. 1, he will marry Tara Johnson of Montgomery. Davis, 41, said their wedding will be at the Renaissance Hotel in downtown Montgomery.

Davis grew up in Montgomery, but the city is not in his 7th Congressional District, which stretches from Birmingham to Selma. Davis held his news conference in the Capitol's Old House Chamber, where the governor often holds official functions, including his annual "State of the State" address to the Legislature.

Davis was joined by officials from west Alabama. They encouraged Congress to pass an economic stimulus package in January that includes an extension of the tax breaks for businesses in the Renewal Community and Empowerment Zone legislation.

The tax breaks, which help businesses that locate in low-income areas, are due to expire at the end of 2009. Davis said they need to be extended quickly because businesses make decisions about new plants or expansions a year in advance.

Jim Hodo, chief operating officer of American Apparel Inc. in Selma, said the clothing company employs about 700 people in poor areas of west Alabama, and the tax breaks were "the tie breaker" in deciding where to locate plants.

Davis also responded to reporters' questions about other issues, including cutbacks in the state education and General Fund budgets that the governor made Monday due to declining state tax revenue.

Davis tied his answer to the $1.2 billion tax plan that Riley proposed unsuccessfully in 2003, when Alabama was in another economic downturn.

"Governor Riley correctly told us in 2003 that we have long-term problems financing the state of Alabama and meeting our obligations. We had several good years of growth, so we kind of forgot about those problems. But now the growth has gone away. Unemployment is high. We are in recession in Alabama and around the country. And guess what? The things he warned about in 2003 are coming home to roost," Davis said.

Davis said the state's economic conditions will force candidates for governor to do more than make promises.

"Everybody who runs for governor in 2009 and 2010 is going to have to talk about how we are going to pay for our programs," he said.

Davis indicated that for him, that discussion will begin in early February.

http://www.al.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-40/1231433381324350.xml&storylist=alabamanews
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MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) — State Treasurer Kay Ivey has hired a pollster and lined up office space in anticipation of running for governor of Alabama in 2010, but she said Thursday she wants to talk to more voters before making a decision.

Using her new office space in downtown Montgomery, Ivey released the results of a survey by Washington pollster Kellyanne Conway, who appears regularly on Fox News, that found voters view her favorably.

Ivey said she plans to send the poll results to Republican Party activists throughout the state and get their views before deciding about 2010.


"I need to do some listening to folks after they get a copy of this," she said.
But her pollster made it sound like the decision had already been made. In a video recording accompanying the poll, Conway said her firm limits its candidates to a small group. "That's why we are excited to be working with Kay Ivey as she runs for governor in 2010," Conway said.

So far, Greenville businessman Tim James, the son of two-time Gov. Fob James, is the only official Republican candidate for governor.

"Kay will certainly be a formidable opponent. She has been elected to statewide office," James said in an interview Thursday.

He said he got in the race early and spent much of 2008 building a grassroots campaign because he was not a statewide officeholder. He said the organization is going well, but he expects lots of competition because Republican incumbent Bob Riley can't run again.

Others who have said they've been encouraged to consider the Republican race for governor include Attorney General Troy King, Secretary of State Beth Chapman, state Republican Party Chairman Mike Hubbard, former lieutenant governor nominee Luther Strange, two-year college Chancellor Bradley Byrne, and Troy University Chancellor Jack Hawkins.

Ivey, 64, is serving her second term as treasurer and is prohibited by state law from running again.

She has been taking gradual steps to build her profile and possibly a 2010 campaign, including serving as the state leader for Mitt Romney's presidential campaign, loaning $1 million of her own money to her campaign account, throwing a Republican National Convention viewing party in Montgomery, and being invited to the Republican Governors Association's meeting in November as an "emerging leader."

Ivey said she has been receiving good feedback from voters since she first mentioned the possibility of running for governor last year.

"It was encouraging enough for me to pay the money to engage a first-class pollster," she said.

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The results of the poll, which surveyed 503 people who voted in the November election, shows Ivey with no "red flags." About two-thirds of people polled said it made no difference that Ivey was single, had no children and would be 66 at the time of the election.
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20090109/NEWS02/901090319



Title: Re: Artur Davis (D-AL) & Kay Ivey (R-AL) look like a go
Post by: Lunar on January 13, 2009, 02:26:52 PM
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There are other stumbling blocks Rep. Davis would find along the way. A Davis candidacy in the 2010 Democratic Primary would likely turn divisive for state democrats, pitting white against black and something the state party could not afford to happen. Some white democratic leaders, citing the small white vote for Obama in the state, have already told Davis they could not support his candidacy in the primary and have strongly urged him to stay in Congress where they believe he could do the state and the party more good. They believe a Davis primary victory would virtually return the governorship to the hands of whoever the GOP nominates and be a disaster for other democratic candidates, at both the state and local levels.

There are plenty of potential Republican candidates out there wishing for a chance to get that shot at Davis. They include, among others, State Treasurer Kay Ivey, two-year college Chancellor, Bradley Byrne, State Party Chair Mike Hubbard, Attorney General Troy King, Congressman Jo Bonner, Birmingham lawyer Luther Strange who many believe has a more serious eye on being attorney general, and Tim James, the son of former Gov. Fob James.

http://www.madisoncountyrecord.com/articles/2009/01/02/opinion/oped2.txt

Davis also publicly rejected the Congressional Black Caucus's petition on Burris


Title: Re: Artur Davis (D-AL) & Kay Ivey (R-AL) look like a go
Post by: © tweed on January 13, 2009, 02:30:28 PM
what about this dude?

Jim Folsom, Jr. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Folsom,_Jr.)


Title: Re: Artur Davis (D-AL) & Kay Ivey (R-AL) look like a go
Post by: Lunar on January 13, 2009, 02:45:05 PM
what about this dude?

Jim Folsom, Jr. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Folsom,_Jr.)

He'd obviously be the best candidate

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MONTGOMERY - The 2010 Alabama governor's race is wide open, and a lineup of the state's top politicians is considering entering the field.

Alabama will have its first open gubernatorial seat in more than two decades because Gov. Bob Riley cannot run for re-election, and that sets up a political scramble to be the next man or woman to occupy the Governor's Mansion.

"We're going to have some exciting primaries," said Bill Stewart, a political scientist with the University of Alabama.


The hopefuls are expected to kick off their campaigns with a flurry of announcements in early 2009.

Democrats:

On the Democratic side, Rep. Artur Davis, Lt. Gov. Jim Folsom Jr., Agriculture and Industries Commissioner Ron Sparks and Speaker of the House Seth Hammett are considering runs.

Three-term congressman Davis, D-Birmingham, has all but announced his intention to run. There is strong indication from the Davis camp that he may open his campaign in early February.

"I have made no secret of the fact that I am considering a run for governor in 2010," Davis said. "As I've also said, I have goals and dreams for Alabama that I think could be accomplished better in Montgomery than in Washington, D.C."

Folsom, who was governor for two years, told The Associated Press he will decide early in 2009 whether to run again for governor.

Folsom, son of legendary Alabama Gov. James E. Folsom Sr., stayed out of politics after losing the 1994 race for governor. But he said he is getting lots of encouragement to enter the 2010 race.

Sparks has set up a campaign Web site, but it doesn't say what office he will seek.

"I will run in 2010, perhaps for governor, perhaps for lieutenant governor. I've made no decision," Sparks said.

"The people of Alabama have honored me by electing me twice. I have a deep love for Alabama and want to continue to serve her," Sparks said.


Hammett also is thought to considering a run, but has declined interviews until he decides.

"It's a dilemma for the Democratic party," Stewart said.

"Davis is obviously talented. He would have good entry with the Obama administration," Stewart said. Davis attended Harvard University with the future president and was chairman of his presidential campaign in Alabama.

But there also are questions, Stewart said, about whether a black Democrat can win the top office in a state once famous for its racial strife.

Davis has rebutted speculation that President-elect Barack Obama's poor showing in Alabama is a bad omen for his candidacy. Davis has said Obama didn't have a meaningful campaign in Alabama and that previous Democratic presidential losses in the state have been followed by Democratic victories in the state's general elections two years later.

Republicans:

The field of potential contenders is wider on the Republican side.

"There is no clear favorite," Stewart said.

Businessman Tim James, son of former Gov. Fob James, has announced that he plans to run and launched a campaign Web site.

Also considering runs are Alabama Treasurer Kay Ivey, two-year college Chancellor Bradley Byrne, Republican Party Chairman Mike Hubbard, Troy University Chancellor Jack Hawkins Jr. and Attorney General Troy King.


Another name frequently mentioned as a possible heir to Riley is Rep. Jo Bonner, R-Mobile.

Bonner said he is not drawing up campaign plans just yet, but he is weighing his options.

"I have been very humbled and very surprised at the amount of interest from one range encouraging me to keep an open mind to another range encouraging me to jump right in," Bonner said.

"Really, more than anything else I've just been trying to weigh the opportunity to continue what I'm doing in Washington versus the opportunity to perhaps have another option down the road," Bonner said.

Ivey has lent $1 million to her campaign as she considers a run. She said she plans to spend early 2009 talking to voters about what they want in their next governor.

"This is not about the individual. This is about the people of Alabama, in my view. This is about the people's criteria, about the quality of leadership they want," Ivey said.

Byrne, a former member of the Alabama Senate, said he has not made a final decision, but expects to do so by the middle of next year.

Byrne said is aware he is likely to come under criticism for remaining chancellor while mulling a run for governor.

"Those who oppose those reforms we are trying to bring to the two-year college system will say almost anything and do anything to prevent those reforms from occurring," Byrne said.

Luther Strange said he has given serious thought to the state's top office, but he's also considered a run for attorney general or lieutenant governor.

Alabama Republican Party Chairman Mike Hubbard, also a member of Alabama House of Representatives, also is considering a run.

"I'm thinking about it, but I'm also thinking about maybe a run for lieutenant governor or maybe just trying to keep my House seat and trying to win Republican control of the House," Hubbard said.

http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/statebriefs.ssf?/base/news/1230455750100620.xml&coll=2


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on January 13, 2009, 02:49:04 PM
Davis would... aha... not... perhaps... be... um... yeah...


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Rob on January 13, 2009, 03:30:06 PM
Davis is a pretty capable Tom, but the white Christians of Alabama are not going to elect a Negro to statewide office.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Brittain33 on January 13, 2009, 05:23:01 PM

What the hell?


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on January 13, 2009, 05:28:57 PM
I like Davis, but he has no chance to win, and should stay in Congress.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Rob on January 13, 2009, 05:45:07 PM

He's skilled at appealing to conservative whites. Which doesn't exactly endear him to me, given that he sits in an utterly safe seat and primaried one of the better House members- Earl Hilliard- to get there.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: WalterMitty on January 13, 2009, 06:33:18 PM
im a big fan of artur davis.  but as rob says, the whites in alabama arent going to vote for a negro.  even if said negro loves the lord.  wont be enough.

related question...is seigleman in the lockup?


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: © tweed on January 13, 2009, 06:45:48 PM
Siegelman is still in prison although people are beginning to realize that he was framed.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Bacon King on January 14, 2009, 07:10:44 PM
On Thursday, March 27, 2008, the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals approved the release of former Governor Siegelman from federal prison while he appeals his conviction in the corruption case. He was released on Friday the 28th.[18]

sez wikipedia.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: © tweed on January 14, 2009, 08:23:56 PM
whoops my bad

I should be following my hero more closely :(


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Padfoot on January 15, 2009, 01:04:31 AM
If this were Georgia or the Carolinas then Davis might be in a little better shape but Alabama was still uber Republican in the presidential race this year and its going to take a pretty conservative Democrat to win there.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Lunar on January 15, 2009, 01:21:50 AM
If this were Georgia or the Carolinas then Davis might be in a little better shape but Alabama was still uber Republican in the presidential race this year and its going to take a pretty conservative Democrat to win there.

Davis is pretty conservative and is really trying to separate himself from the Congressional Black Caucus as much as humanly possible.  As I said, he condemned the Black Caucus's rallying behind Burris and its attempt to play the race card.  Davis isn't stupid, he's just Quixotic.

But I haven't heard of a single local political observer who mentions his candidacy as anything but a longshot.

Luckily his opponent will be a 60 something year old single woman.


Title: Re: Alabama 2010
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on January 25, 2009, 05:08:58 PM
Have there been any polls recently, giving some indication of where the race stands?


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Dan the Roman on January 25, 2009, 06:56:12 PM
Not yet, though I bet we will get one from PPP soon. I can already guess the results.

Folsom 39%
Ivey     36%


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Erc on January 25, 2009, 07:52:38 PM
Didn't Charles Barkley (of all people) express an interest in running for Governor at some point?


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on January 25, 2009, 07:57:07 PM
Didn't Charles Barkley (of all people) express an interest in running for Governor at some point?

He'll run in 2014.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Meeker on January 25, 2009, 08:06:48 PM
Didn't Charles Barkley (of all people) express an interest in running for Governor at some point?

He'll run in 2014.

If he's not in prison.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Lunar on January 26, 2009, 01:32:25 PM
oh dear god Please don't do?
http://www.al.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-41/1232739844274420.xml&storylist=alabamanews


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee on January 26, 2009, 04:54:51 PM
oh dear god Please don't do?
http://www.al.com/newsflash/regional/index.ssf?/base/news-41/1232739844274420.xml&storylist=alabamanews


Your kidding me. Wont this guy ever disappear.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Lunar on January 26, 2009, 05:00:42 PM
I don't know how I feel about this.  While I wold find it hilariously cool for such a person to be, say, the GOP nominee for president, I'm not sure about Alabama where he could actually win against Artur Davis.

Meh, I guess I support it.  Davis is an ambitious young black politician that I'd like to see make it a little further and it doesn't really affect me of Alabama has a nut job governor ... it wouldn't be the first time... *cough* George Wallace *cough* *cough*


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Rob on January 26, 2009, 07:52:20 PM
I'm not sure about Alabama where he could actually win against Artur Davis.

He would be heavily favored.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Tender Branson on January 28, 2009, 01:59:20 PM
First polls out:

Artur Davis (D) vs. Bradley Byrne (R): 42-38
Artur Davis (D) vs. Kay Ivey (R): 42-42
Artur Davis (D) vs. Jack Hawkins (R): 39-44

"His (Davis') popularity ratings are 2-1 favorable among whites."

Poll of 600 by Anzalone-Liszt Research Inc. for Artur Davis.

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20090128/NEWS02/901280362


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: bgwah on January 28, 2009, 02:11:57 PM
I dunno, I could see Davis narrowly winning against someone like Moore...


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Tender Branson on January 28, 2009, 02:14:55 PM
A black vs spinster race in Alabama would be fun

Maybe 45% is the best I can imagine for Davis.

He would need about 35% of Whites to win. Obama got 10% - half what Kerry got - despite a 5-point national swing among Whites.

It would be really stunning if he'd win.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Holmes on January 28, 2009, 02:18:02 PM
Are the primiaries in Alabama open or closed? If they closed, I wonder if the Dixies vote in them...


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Bacon King on January 28, 2009, 02:28:15 PM
Is Darryl W. Perry running?


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Franzl on January 28, 2009, 02:42:50 PM

maybe he'll get 50 votes this time around?


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: jamestroll on January 28, 2009, 03:04:54 PM
Davis will win. Unlike Obama.. I will support davis during the whole campaign season against Roy Moore.. and will predict his win, regardless of what ""polling" says.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Lunar on February 03, 2009, 02:46:45 AM
I'm intrigued by this.  Artur Davis is completely aware of what he's doing and the challenges involved.  He knows he's quite young in this career and giving up a plum job in the House for what is at best a tossup race.

Artur is a smart Harvard guy, I think there's a legitimate reason somewhere that he can win this but I can't really understand what that is.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on February 03, 2009, 07:02:26 AM
I see no reason to assume that he "must" know what he's doing just because he went to a posh uni.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Lunar on February 03, 2009, 12:34:18 PM
I see no reason to assume that he "must" know what he's doing just because he went to a posh uni.

That wasn't really critical to my theory.  More important factors include his age, the seat he's giving up, the obviousness of what he "must" know, and my perceived intelligence of him outside of his scholarly history


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Lunar on February 07, 2009, 11:18:20 AM
In 2000, 40% of Alabama voters opposed ending the constitutional ban on mixed-race marriages

In 2004, 50.1 percent of voters opposed a 2004 measure to remove a constitutional provision mandating segregated public schools for "white and colored children"


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Landslide Lyndon on February 07, 2009, 11:44:46 AM
In 2000, 40% of Alabama voters opposed ending the constitutional ban on mixed-race marriages

In 2004, 50.1 percent of voters opposed a 2004 measure to remove a constitutional provision mandating segregated public schools for "white and colored children"


Sounds like the Real America to me.
Sarah Palin would be proud.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Kaine for Senate '18 on March 02, 2009, 08:59:54 PM
Didn't Davis say he would have an announcement for us in February?


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: All Along The Watchtower on March 02, 2009, 09:02:01 PM
Alabama is definitely the most solidly Republican Southern state.

I could see Mississippi going Dem before Alabama.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Rob on March 02, 2009, 11:50:35 PM
I could see Mississippi going Dem before Alabama.

Alabama has a larger population of "populist"-leaning white voters who might, theoretically, at some point in the future, be more inclined to support a Democratic presidential candidate. Alabama also has a larger population of socially "moderate" (not "moderate" in the normal sense of the term, but not proudly racist) suburban whites who might, theoretically, etc.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: I spent the winter writing songs about getting better on March 03, 2009, 12:24:16 AM
I could see Mississippi going Dem before Alabama.

Alabama has a larger population of "populist"-leaning white voters who might, theoretically, at some point in the future, be more inclined to support a Democratic presidential candidate. Alabama also has a larger population of socially "moderate" (not "moderate" in the normal sense of the term, but not proudly racist) suburban whites who might, theoretically, etc.

Not in the South. Georgia is full of those "moderate" types, and they're the strongest Republican voters in the state.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: All Along The Watchtower on March 03, 2009, 12:26:03 AM
I could see Mississippi going Dem before Alabama.

Alabama has a larger population of "populist"-leaning white voters who might, theoretically, at some point in the future, be more inclined to support a Democratic presidential candidate. Alabama also has a larger population of socially "moderate" (not "moderate" in the normal sense of the term, but not proudly racist) suburban whites who might, theoretically, etc.

Maybe, but Mississippi has a proportionally larger black population.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Rob on March 03, 2009, 12:28:24 AM
Not in the South. Georgia is full of those "moderate" types, and they're the strongest Republican voters in the state.
That's why I said "theoretically, at some point in the future..."


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: The Ex-Factor on March 07, 2009, 08:08:42 AM
In 2000, 40% of Alabama voters opposed ending the constitutional ban on mixed-race marriages

In 2004, 50.1 percent of voters opposed a 2004 measure to remove a constitutional provision mandating segregated public schools for "white and colored children"


Wait, what? There was a constitutional ban on mixed-race marriages in Alabama all the way up to 2000?

I'd be surprised if Davis managed to win, although it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility. Considering the state, he'd be the best governor a Democrat could hope for.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Lunar on March 07, 2009, 09:08:29 PM
In 2000, 40% of Alabama voters opposed ending the constitutional ban on mixed-race marriages

In 2004, 50.1 percent of voters opposed a 2004 measure to remove a constitutional provision mandating segregated public schools for "white and colored children"


Wait, what? There was a constitutional ban on mixed-race marriages in Alabama all the way up to 2000?

I'd be surprised if Davis managed to win, although it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility. Considering the state, he'd be the best governor a Democrat could hope for.

indeed http://www.cnn.com/US/9903/12/interracial.marriage/


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Lunar on March 08, 2009, 03:34:36 PM
http://www.politicalparlor.net/wp/2009/03/06/ron-sparks-plan-announcement-for-lg-race/

The white Agricultural Commissioner Ron Sparks is going to challenge Davis in what will likely be a pretty basic racial primary.





Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: RBH on March 08, 2009, 04:17:25 PM
Uh. No.

Sparks is running for Lt. Gov

Folsom may run against Davis for Governor, or for the Senate.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Lunar on March 08, 2009, 04:31:02 PM
oops, I don't know why I said that.

braindead


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: bgwah on April 01, 2009, 06:10:14 PM
Folsom is going for re-election as Lt. Governor instead of running for Governor.

Is there any chance Roy Moore will run again?


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Lunar on April 01, 2009, 07:18:07 PM
So that eliminates Davis's top two contenders.  That should set himself up to be very strongly favored to be the Democratic nominee.  So Sparks will challenge Folsom?


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Lunar on April 01, 2009, 07:22:47 PM
http://times-journal.com/story.lasso?ewcd=72cbeff9728a2af8&-session=FPTJ:42F943EB09cad2769EVXW3C9F801

nevermind, Sparks has decided to be the white guy in this race.

“I will not run against Jim Folsom,” said Sparks, who would not elaborate on his statement.



Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: © tweed on April 01, 2009, 08:03:36 PM
Folsom out = GOP hold


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: justfollowingtheelections on April 02, 2009, 08:27:41 PM
Why is Davis doing this?  Does he really think he can win?  I would keep my job in Washington if I was in his position.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Tender Branson on April 13, 2009, 12:31:26 PM
Ex-Judge Moore Mulls Another Monumental Bid in Alabama

Republican Roy Moore, a conservative activist known for his former role as Alabama's "Ten Commandments" judge, says he is very "inclined" to join the 2010 race for the state's open governor's seat.

Moore, who discussed his possible candidacy in an interview with the Associated Press, now heads Foundation for Moral Law, a conservative group with a central focus of religion in public life. He would be seeking to succeed a political rival, term-limited Republican Bob Riley, to whom he badly lost the 2006 Republican primary for governor.

Moore had been an elected chief justice of the state Supreme Court. But he was ousted from the post by a state court panel in 2003, after he ignored a federal court ruling ordering the removal of a granite momunent to the biblical Ten Commandments that he had installed in the state Supreme Court building two years earlier.

Despite a groundswell of support among conservative activists, Moore only managed about 33 percent of the vote in losing the 2006 primary to Riley. The incumbent went on to easily win the general election that November to claim his second term.

Moore refused to take money from political action committees (PACs) during that primary, making it difficult to even contest the incumbent's fundraising ability.

Moore told the Associated Press last week, while discussing his possible 2010 candidacy, that he would take PAC money this go-around unless "it's something that I can't at all agree with."

Tim James, a businessman and son of former Alabama Gov. Fob James, is the party's only official candidate so far, according to the state Republican Party. Others rumored to be interested include state Rep. Robert Bentley, Alabama Secretary of State Beth Chapman, state Republican Party Chairman Mike Hubbard, and state Treasurer Kay Ivey.

U.S. Rep. Artur Davis and state Commissioner of Agriculture Ron Sparks are in the contest for the Democratic nomination, with state Sen. Roger Bedford Jr. considering the race.

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/eyeon2010/2009/04/ex-judge-moore-mulls-another-monumental-bid-in-alabama.html


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Lunar on April 13, 2009, 04:04:59 PM
I saw that, thanks for posting.

Artur's chances just went up, since this time Moore will be the loudest candidate in a multiple candidate primary.

as did my chances of feeling even sorrier for the people of this state


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: bgwah on April 13, 2009, 04:51:15 PM
Davis vs. Moore would be interesting. I would certainly gain some respect for Alabama if they elected Davis in such a scenario.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: ?????????? on April 23, 2009, 01:15:32 AM


^^^

http://www.dwp2016.org/


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Lunar on April 23, 2009, 01:22:32 AM
I have no idea who the hell he is, but his website is awesome X max X maxawesome


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: © tweed on April 23, 2009, 01:29:53 PM
I have no idea who the hell he is, but his website is awesome X max X maxawesome

he used to post here


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on April 23, 2009, 01:35:45 PM
I have no idea who the hell he is, but his website is awesome X max X maxawesome

he used to post here

Brilliant suggestive understatement. Though bist good at that, it seems.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Tender Branson on May 20, 2009, 01:01:48 PM
New Artur Davis internal:

DEM Primary:

Artur Davis: 54%
Sue Bell Cobb: 25%

Artur Davis: 56%
Ron Sparks: 26%

General Election:

Artur Davis (D): 43%
Bradley Byrne (R): 38%

The statewide poll, commissioned by Davis and conducted by Montgomery-based Anzalone-Liszt Research, included 600 Democratic primary voters who were contacted from May 5-9.

http://blog.al.com/live/2009/05/artur_davis_leads_democratic_r.html


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: HAnnA MArin County on May 20, 2009, 01:36:10 PM
Not to be condescending but does anyone actually think Alabama will elect a black man to the Governor's office? :S


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Lunar on May 20, 2009, 05:25:46 PM
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/governors/is-artur-davis-the-next-barack.html

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New polling from the gubernatorial campaign of Alabama Rep. Artur Davis suggests he starts in strong position to be elected as the state's first African American governor.

Davis is over 50 percent in the survey, which was conducted by Anzalone-Liszt Research, against the two other Democrats in the race: Alabama Supreme Court Justice Sue Bell Cobb (54 percent-25 percent) and state Agriculture Commissioner Ron Sparks (56 percent-26 percent).

Davis pollster John Anzalone said that the poll's Democratic primary sample was 46 percent African-American, a "conservative" estimate based on recent statewide races where blacks comprised between 52 percent and 58 percent of the Democratic primary vote.

In a general election, Davis leads attorney Bradley Byrne (R) 43 percent to 38 percent, according to the polling.

Davis's strong showing appears to be creditable at least in part to the surprisingly strong standing of President Obama in the state. Nearly six in ten Alabama voters like Obama personally (57 percent favorability) and believe he is doing a good job (58 percent positive) -- numbers all the more striking when one considers that Obama won only 39 percent in Alabama last November.

While Davis downplays comparisons between himself and Obama, it's hard to ignore the obvious similarities -- young, black, Harvard educated and running largely post-racial candidacies focused only tangentially on the color of their skin.

One of the unanswered questions from the 2008 election was whether Obama's history-making victory as the country's first black president was an isolated case attributable to his unique political skills and positioning or whether it would have a residual effect on the way in which voters saw black candidates in future races.

As we wrote recently:

"The question that each of these candidacies will seek to answer is whether having a black president will influence how voters think about their in-state politicians. Put another way: Does having Obama in the White House make it easier for Georgia or Alabama voters to see the possibility that their own governor could be black?"
The early poll numbers out of Alabama suggest that seeing a black president on television every day may be having some effect -- conscious or unconscious -- on the perceptions of voters even in the Republican-friendly deep South.

Two caveats: It's still very early -- the primary in Alabama isn't for another year -- and the polling cited above was paid for by Davis's campaign.

That said, should Davis make history as the first African-American governor of the Yellowhammer State, he is likely to owe a major debt to Obama's trailblazing candidacy last fall.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Tender Branson on May 21, 2009, 09:34:31 AM
Not to be condescending but does anyone actually think Alabama will elect a black man to the Governor's office? :S

No.

I think Davis' support in the polls is overblown.

Obama regularly got 20% of Whites in SUSA polls prior to the election, but ended up with 10% on Election Day.

To win, Davis would need at least 30% of Whites, 3-times more than what Obama got.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Ronnie on May 21, 2009, 08:43:13 PM
58 percent favorability rating for Obama seems absurd.

Crappy internal


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Lunar on June 01, 2009, 10:47:59 PM
Now I feel a lot better about this race.

Five way primary on the GOP side, Roy Moore could potential win with 30% of the vote, giving the Democrats a great shot.

http://moore2010.com/main

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2009/06/roy_moore_makes_it_official_he.html



Of course, Alabama has my condolences should Moore win the whole shebang


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Meeker on June 02, 2009, 01:39:28 AM
There is actually a relatively good chance that Roy Moore could be running a state.

What an absolutely horrifying thought.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Tender Branson on June 05, 2009, 11:50:31 PM
PPP will poll Alabama next week !

:)


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Lunar on June 06, 2009, 02:35:55 AM
Sort of ironic that Artur and Moore both need each other to have a shot at winning, although that's logically what happens with two candidates such as these

If I were advising Davis against Roy I would suggest constant Biblical quotations and thanking Jesus.  Match him at least at least at an 8:10 for religiosity.  Don't get drawn into religious policy debates like abortion...


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Rowan on June 06, 2009, 08:23:16 AM

Bah! Beat me to it, I was just about to post it.

Any guess on Obama's Approval?

I'll guess 39%.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: pogo stick on June 06, 2009, 08:55:23 AM
My God ,Roy Moore is weird. Way to religious LOL.

Still as long as he won't force Jews to convert ,and as long as he's pro-Israel he's got my support.
Nevermind I'll support someone else.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Tender Branson on June 08, 2009, 01:54:21 AM

Bah! Beat me to it, I was just about to post it.

Any guess on Obama's Approval?

I'll guess 39%.

Lower 40s I guess, with Davis trailing by about 5 points ...


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Tender Branson on June 10, 2009, 10:48:28 AM
New poll by PPP:

Artur Davis (D) vs. Bradley Byrne (R): 35-39
Artur Davis (D) vs. Tim James (R): 37-35
Artur Davis (D) vs. Roy Moore (R): 41-38
Artur Davis (D) vs. Kay Ivey (R): 39-31

Ron Sparks (D) vs. Bradley Byrne (R): 27-41
Ron Sparks (D) vs. Tim James (R): 32-32
Ron Sparks (D) vs. Roy Moore (R): 36-38
Ron Sparks (D) vs. Kay Ivey (R): 33-29

PPP surveyed 667 Alabama voters from June 2nd to 5th. The survey’s margin of error is +/-3.8%. Other factors, such as refusal to be interviewed and weighting, may introduce additional error that is more difficult to quantify.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_AL_610.pdf


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Tender Branson on June 10, 2009, 10:51:35 AM
Davis gets just 21% of Whites against Byrne. He needs about 30% to win.

Considering the fact that you always have to subtract about 10% from the Black guy AL Whites favor in pre-election polls, I can call this race for Byrne right now, barring any scandal.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Lunar on June 10, 2009, 11:25:52 AM
And how do you know he will win the GOP primary?


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Tender Branson on June 10, 2009, 11:33:08 AM
I'll try to break this down:

In 5 Alabama tracking polls before the election, Obama got 19-21% among Whites in the 3 SurveyUSA polls and 2-times 19% on Rasmussen. According to the Alabama Exit Poll, he only got 10% of Whites on Election Day.

In 2004, John Kerry got 22%, 24% and 26% of Whites in 3 SurveyUSA tracking polls before the Election. He ended up with 19% of Whites.

So we have to assume that a generic Democrat in Alabama overpolls by at least 5% when it comes to Whites.

Now to the AL poll today:

Byrne leads Davis 52-21 among Whites. Lets assume the rest breaks like the decided did, making it about 71-29. If we apply the above rule, Davis can not expect to get more than 25% of Whites in the General Election returns.

Next, composition of the AL electorate on Election Day 2010:

In the Presidential years 2004 and 2008 the makeup was as followed:

2004: 73% White, 25% Black, 1% Latino, 1% Asian

2008: 65% White, 29% Black, 4% Latino, 2% Other

Because I think turnout will be different than in a Presidential year, it would normally see lower Back turnout. But given the fact that the first Black Governor could be elected, we might see something more in line with 2008.

So my early guess would be:

68% White
28% Black
3% Latino
1% Asian/Other

So, Davis will get 24/25% of Whites, I think we can agree that he can easily get the 98% of Blacks that Obama got. Let's also assume that 80% of "Others" will vote for him.

(68 x 0.25) + (28 x 0.98) + (4 x 0.80) = 47.64% statewide


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Lunar on June 10, 2009, 12:22:27 PM
And how do you know he will win the GOP primary?

You spoke authoritatively that you can call this entire race for Byrne, I don't see how you're breaking down the primary for me at all here...


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Tender Branson on June 10, 2009, 12:33:04 PM
And how do you know he will win the GOP primary?

You spoke authoritatively that you can call this entire race for Byrne, I don't see how you're breaking down the primary for me at all here...

Because he gets the best share among Republicans and Independents ? But that could be name recognition. Ask me again in 1 year. But I wasn't talking about calling the primary for Byrne, but the General Election. Even if another Republican wins the Primary, the numbers of Davis among Whites will likely decrease due to rising name recognition of this Republican.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Lunar on June 10, 2009, 01:30:31 PM
Ok.

I just wonder if Roy Moore couldn't manage to win in this five-way primary with <35-40% of the vote.  It's hard to find a clean path for Davis to win that doesn't run through Moore, and even then, it's a tososup.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Dan the Roman on June 10, 2009, 04:12:35 PM
This race was over when Folsom decided not to run. And he decided not to run because even for him it would be dicey. Remember, he was one of the Democrats who lost in an upset in 1994 despite being popular.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: pogo stick on June 10, 2009, 06:46:13 PM
I may want Bradley Byrne to win. At least he isn't a crazy Guy like Roy Moore.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Badger on June 11, 2009, 06:25:09 PM
This race was over when Folsom decided not to run. And he decided not to run because even for him it would be dicey. Remember, he was one of the Democrats who lost in an upset in 1994 despite being popular.
Well, it was 1994. I don't think anybody in their wildest dreams/nightmares expects a repeat of that in 2012.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Tender Branson on November 22, 2009, 03:04:55 AM
Jesse Jackson rips Artur Davis on no vote

Friday, November 20, 2009
By GEORGE TALBOT
Political Editor

The Rev. Jesse Jackson ripped U.S. Rep. Artur Davis, D-Birmingham, for voting against the House health care bill, saying, "You can't vote against health care and call yourself a black man."

Jackson, speaking in Washington, D.C., at a reception for the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation, did not mention Davis by name, according to a report in The Hill newspaper.

But Davis was the sole member of the caucus to vote against the Democrats' health care bill this month in the House.

Jackson, who was being honored by the caucus on the 25th anniversary of his first presidential campaign, used the occasion to blast opponents of heath care reform.

"We even have blacks voting against the health care bill," he said, according to The Hill. "You can't vote against health care and call yourself a black man."

Davis, who is running for governor in 2010, downplayed Jackson's criticism.

"One of the reasons that I like and admire Rev. Jesse Jackson is that 21 years ago, he inspired the idea that a black politician would not be judged simply as a black leader," Davis said. "The best way to honor Rev. Jackson's legacy is to decline to engage in an argument with him that begins and ends with race."

Jackson said in a statement late Thursday that he called Davis to discuss his remarks.

"I talked to (Davis) today to assure him of my abiding admiration of him as a leader who is engaged in a huge challenge," Jackson said. "I offer no challenge to his integrity as a leader. Representatives should all vote their conscience in the interest of their constituency."

Davis has said he supports efforts to reform the nation's health care system but that the bill put forward by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi "is not the best we can do." He said he favors a bill proposed by the Senate Finance Committee, saying the legislation needs work but "comes closer to achieving the real reform we need."

Political observers said the rift with Jackson, a Baptist minister and civil rights activist who made unsuccessful runs as a Democratic candidate for president in 1984 and 1988, could actually help Davis in conservative Alabama.

Jackson criticized President Barack Obama on several issues during last year's presidential campaign, at one point accusing the African-American candidate of "acting like he's white."

"Obama was perfectly happy to have Jesse Jackson saying things about him — and it could be that Artur Davis feels the same way," national political commentator Gwen Ifill said by phone Thursday from Birmingham, prior to an appearance at Birmingham-Southern College.

No members of the caucus spoke up to defend Davis against Jackson's attack, but at least one — U.S. Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif. — said she understood Davis' opposition to the House health care bill.

"Artur Davis has a more conservative constituency" than other caucus members, Waters told The Hill. "Since he's running for governor of Alabama, he reflects an even more conservative constituency."

http://www.al.com/news/press-register/metro.ssf?/base/news/1258712138267540.xml&coll=3


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Sam Spade on November 22, 2009, 11:22:25 AM
The race hustlers are always so entertaining.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: pogo stick on November 22, 2009, 11:24:48 AM
I'm support Judge Roy Moore (R) for Governor, he has the right views, values and beliefs.



Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Holmes on November 22, 2009, 11:34:29 AM
Speaking of Roy Moore, I went to his wiki page and his child Caleb Moore has hearts around his name. Cute.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: JohnnyLongtorso on November 22, 2009, 02:29:12 PM
The race hustlers are always so entertaining.

Oh, so this is what happened to J.C. Watts.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Sam Spade on November 22, 2009, 03:04:11 PM
The race hustlers are always so entertaining.

Oh, so this is what happened to J.C. Watts.

I thought it was because he's an idiot.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Tender Branson on June 02, 2010, 12:20:36 AM
And how do you know he will win the GOP primary?

You spoke authoritatively that you can call this entire race for Byrne, I don't see how you're breaking down the primary for me at all here...

Because he gets the best share among Republicans and Independents ? But that could be name recognition. Ask me again in 1 year. But I wasn't talking about calling the primary for Byrne, but the General Election. Even if another Republican wins the Primary, the numbers of Davis among Whites will likely decrease due to rising name recognition of this Republican.

OK, 1 year has passed, Byrne won round 1.

Even though the health-care debate started only then in June 2009 I was more or less sure that Davis would at least win the DEM primary and would vote for health care.

Let`s see how Sparks does against Byrne or the other Republican. I still see the Republican winning the GE with about 55%.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Meeker on June 08, 2010, 02:41:10 AM
County-level GOP officials will count the provisional primary ballots tomorrow and then the state party will announce the official winner for the second spot in the runoff that evening. Whoever ends up in third (probably James) has forty-eight hours to request recounts in individual counties.

Each day this drags on for is another good day for Byrne.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: cpeeks on June 08, 2010, 05:37:42 AM
I am from Alabama and voted in the GOP primary, Sparks has the GOP here scared. Do not count him out, Artur already made that mistake and got hammered. Sparks is the odds on favorite right now. Byrne is seen as a joke here.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: cpeeks on June 08, 2010, 05:41:06 AM
And btw Folsom would have won going away!!!!


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Meeker on June 09, 2010, 03:46:47 PM
The margin narrowed from 208 to 167 after provisionals were counted. James is requesting a recount which he'll have to pay for (he's pledged to spend $200,000). Recounts have to be requested on an individual county basis and James has indicated he'll request the most populous 25 counties at least.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: cpeeks on June 09, 2010, 10:07:59 PM
No hes now going to do it in all 67 counties.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Bacon King on June 12, 2010, 08:36:50 AM
Recounts have to be requested on an individual county basis

Didn't Bush v. Gore I make that sort of thing unconstitutional?


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Meeker on June 12, 2010, 12:49:33 PM
Recounts have to be requested on an individual county basis

Didn't Bush v. Gore I make that sort of thing unconstitutional?

In some states (such as Alabama) the primaries are still officially run by the parties or in some sort of legally nebulous partnership between the parties and the state. I'm not sure of the legal details but I think in states like that the party has far more control over the method of conducting the primary then one normally would have. But I'm just sort of talking out of my ass here.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: cpeeks on June 14, 2010, 06:32:20 PM
Recounts have to be requested on an individual county basis

Didn't Bush v. Gore I make that sort of thing unconstitutional?

In some states (such as Alabama) the primaries are still officially run by the parties or in some sort of legally nebulous partnership between the parties and the state. I'm not sure of the legal details but I think in states like that the party has far more control over the method of conducting the primary then one normally would have. But I'm just sort of talking out of my ass here.

Yes and no the party does have alot of control over the primary, but its still run by the SOS'S office. And Alabama law says you have to petition the individual counties, though its still murky. Our attorney general just gave an idiot opinion of the law that Byrne and Bentley would have to have the run-off and then James could have a recount, and if he won we would have to have a second run off.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Meeker on June 18, 2010, 01:27:13 PM
James has lost 10 votes with 94% recounted. The runoff will be Byrne vs. Bentley.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Tender Branson on July 14, 2010, 12:52:26 AM
Run-off results (100% of precincts reporting):

Robert Bentley: 260.843 votes (56.07%)
Bradley Byrne: 204.388 votes (43.93%)

Turnout was relatively high for a run-off, almost as high as in round 1.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2010/by_state/AL_Governor_0713.html


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Lunar on July 14, 2010, 04:49:54 PM
Anyone think Sparks is gonna win this one?


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Bacon King on July 14, 2010, 06:20:14 PM
Anyone think Sparks is gonna win this one?

Sparks is in a pretty good situation, money-wise, at least as far as I can tell.

Bentley loaned his own campaign $750,000 to win the runoff and right now only has $200,000 cash on hand. Sparks, in contrast, ended his primary on June 1st with $110,000 in the bank. I don't know how much money he's been raising since then, but in the last month of the primary he was raising around $10,000 a day on average and that's as an underdog. He's presumably kept that rate up at least (not that he's saving all of the money he raises, of course, but what he does spend is going directly to the general election. An advantage to Sparks there).


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: Lunar on July 14, 2010, 06:24:11 PM
Anyone think Sparks is gonna win this one?

Sparks is in a pretty good situation, money-wise, at least as far as I can tell.

Bentley loaned his own campaign $750,000 to win the runoff and right now only has $200,000 cash on hand. Sparks, in contrast, ended his primary on June 1st with $110,000 in the bank.

I'm not sure if there's much contrast here. 

Especially as Bentley could write himself another check.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: MASHED POTATOES. VOTE! on July 14, 2010, 06:34:42 PM
Is Folsom running for Lt. Governor again?

Btw, that's kind of sad thing with Folsom. In 1980 he'd surely win Senate race without Denton being aided by Reagan coattails. In 1994 he'd surely win a governorship on his own without neglecting his campaigning in a light of good approvals and James being aided by "Republican Revolution".


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: rbt48 on July 14, 2010, 10:10:27 PM
Is Folsom running for Lt. Governor again?

Btw, that's kind of sad thing with Folsom. In 1980 he'd surely win Senate race without Denton being aided by Reagan coattails. In 1994 he'd surely win a governorship on his own without neglecting his campaigning in a light of good approvals and James being aided by "Republican Revolution".
I don't agree with your 1980 assessment.  Denton beat Folsom by 3.1%, while Reagan beat Carter by only 1.3%.


Title: Re: Alabama
Post by: timmer123 on July 19, 2010, 03:18:16 AM
Is Folsom running for Lt. Governor again?

Btw, that's kind of sad thing with Folsom. In 1980 he'd surely win Senate race without Denton being aided by Reagan coattails. In 1994 he'd surely win a governorship on his own without neglecting his campaigning in a light of good approvals and James being aided by "Republican Revolution".

Who the hell cares if he would have won in 1980?  Even if he had he would have been thrown out by now.  Alabama doesn't want Democrat senators