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Title: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: Lunar on January 14, 2009, 10:07:02 PM UH OH
According to the Windy City Times, during the 1996 race for the Illinois State Senate, President-Elect Barack Obama gave statements that expressed an "unequivocal support for gay marriage." From the WCT's press release: Quote President-elect Obama's answer to a 1996 Outlines newspaper question on marriage was: "I favor legalizing same-sex marriages, and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages." There was no use of the phrase "civil unions". [Outlines purchased Windy City Times in 2000 and merged companies.] This answer is among those included in this week's Windy City Times feature on Obama's evolving position on gay marriage. Windy City Times also includes his answers to the candidate questionnaire of IMPACT, at one time a gay political action committee in Illinois. In that survey he also stated his support of same-sex marriage. During the final weeks of the presidential campaign last fall, several media outlets contacted Windy City Times because of an old internet story from the 1996 Illinois state Senate race. In that campaign, Outlines newspaper reported that 13th District candidate Barack Obama supported gay marriage. Reporters wanted to know what exactly Obama had said. Outlines summarized the results in that 1996 article by Trudy Ring, but did not list exact answers to questions. In that article Outlines did note that Obama was a supporter of same-sex marriage and that article was never challenged or corrected by Obama. Just recently, the original Outlines and IMPACT surveys were found in the newspaper's archives. This story will run as an exclusive in tomorrow's Windy City Times, which will include a corresponding piece from University of Chicago doctoral candidate Timothy Stewart-Winter, which will examine this issue in "the context of Obama's race in 1996 against incumbent Alice Palmer." Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: Tender Branson on January 15, 2009, 01:22:59 AM Just proves that he became a Conservative over time ...
Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: Alcon on January 15, 2009, 02:01:02 AM Just proves that he became a Conservative over time ... I have a slightly different hypothesis :P Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: bgwah on January 15, 2009, 02:07:10 AM Damn! 1996! Can you say FF?
Of course, I understand that it would not have been politically feasible to continue to openly support gay marriage, but this merely reaffirms that Barack is a freedom fighter at heart. Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: Lunar on January 15, 2009, 02:09:21 AM Just proves that he became a Conservative over time ... I have a slightly different hypothesis :P I've never heard of people going from resolutely pro to wishy-washy anti on the gay marriage issue... Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: Eraserhead on January 15, 2009, 02:10:02 AM Good. He did what he had to do in order to get elected. Now perhaps we can get something going here eventually...
Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: RI on January 15, 2009, 02:10:12 AM What happened? :(
Hopefully Barack will come to his senses and return to his old ways. Or better yet, maybe he never really left. If only... Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: Lunar on January 15, 2009, 02:11:09 AM A desire to move from Chicago to D.C. Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: Eraserhead on January 15, 2009, 02:12:17 AM A desire to move from Chicago to D.C. Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: bgwah on January 15, 2009, 02:13:15 AM A desire to move from Chicago to D.C. Eh, a "desire to (politically) move from Hyde Park to Springfield" might be more accurate. I doubt Chicago's Southside is terribly supportive of gay rights. Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: Holmes on January 15, 2009, 01:03:13 PM Eh. More fuel to my theory that he secretly supports gay marriage.
Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: jamestroll on January 15, 2009, 01:06:11 PM A desire to move from Chicago to D.C. Eh, a "desire to (politically) move from Hyde Park to Springfield" might be more accurate. I doubt Chicago's Southside is terribly supportive of gay rights. Most blacks I knw are supportive of gay rights, except gay marriage. Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: Filuwaúrdjan on January 18, 2009, 08:18:54 PM Shock as politician is exposed as cynical bastard.
Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: Brittain33 on January 18, 2009, 08:41:42 PM Shock as politician is exposed as cynical bastard. I'm very pleasantly surprised. Lots of gay Democrats like to assume that people like Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, and Barack Obama are secretly on our side but have to oppose gay marriage publicly because of the political implications. We never have proof of their good intentions--it's wishful thinking leavened with projection. In truth, we have no good reason to think that either Clinton or Kerry truly support gay marriage, especially since it emerged as an issue after their political careers were well along and they could convince themselves they opposed it for moral reasons. To have Obama exposed as a secret liberal on this issue is very rewarding. It confirms something a lot of people want to believe, even if it doesn't mean he'll do anything about it. Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: they don't love you like i love you on January 18, 2009, 09:56:42 PM What can he do about it anyway? Gay marriage is not a federal issue.
Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: Lunar on January 18, 2009, 10:33:11 PM What can he do about it anyway? Gay marriage is not a federal issue. I wish someone told the federal government that before DOMA Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: they don't love you like i love you on January 18, 2009, 10:35:20 PM What can he do about it anyway? Gay marriage is not a federal issue. I wish someone told the federal government that before DOMA Well that's not getting repealed for awhile unfortunately. But this is a state battle for now. Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: Robespierre's Jaw on January 22, 2009, 12:31:09 AM Good. He did what he had to do in order to get elected. Now perhaps we can get something going here eventually... Major same-sex marriage legislation passed under an Obama Administration? Please. Whilst I too would love to see such legislation passed within the next four years, I doubt Obama will do so. He's not a risk taker, and its already evident, thus I believe Obama will do everything he possibly can to avoid controversial issues, such as same-sex marriage legislation during his first term. Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: Lunar on January 22, 2009, 02:36:31 AM Damn! 1996! Can you say FF? Of course, I understand that it would not have been politically feasible to continue to openly support gay marriage, but this merely reaffirms that Barack is a freedom fighter at heart. The quality of a freedom fighter is not defined by what he thinks, but what he does. I think it's better to have a president who says he opposes gay marriage but secretly doesn't, because we get boosts like him opposing Prop 8. I mean, all candidates lie a bit. It'd good to know for social liberals that he is more socially liberal than his campaign persona. It affects all kinds of policy issues. Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: Nym90 on January 24, 2009, 12:47:48 AM Well, George Wallace was secretly on our side all along too, but had to support segregation for political purposes. I don't think that makes him any less of a HP....
Not to say this is at all comparable, but I do wish he'd have the guts to come out and say so (as long as it doesn't cost him reelection, of course ;)). Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: A18 on January 24, 2009, 08:14:57 PM What can he do about it anyway? Gay marriage is not a federal issue. Appoint judges who support "gay marriage," and who are just as lawless as most of the past half-century's jurists. Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: Eraserhead on January 25, 2009, 07:11:30 PM What can he do about it anyway? Gay marriage is not a federal issue. Appoint judges who support "gay marriage," and who are just as lawless as most of the past half-century's jurists. The 18th century is calling, Philip. They want you back. Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: Scam of God on January 25, 2009, 08:50:49 PM What can he do about it anyway? Gay marriage is not a federal issue. Appoint judges who support "gay marriage," and who are just as lawless as most of the past half-century's jurists. Quote S: -6.35 Justify yourself. Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: Nicodeme Depape on January 26, 2009, 11:57:38 AM What can he do about it anyway? Gay marriage is not a federal issue. He can help re-appeal DOMA so civil unions aren't substandard to marriage. I still see Civil Unions as the equivalents to separate but equal clauses however. Even if right now it isn't equal. Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: Bacon King on January 26, 2009, 02:50:48 PM What can he do about it anyway? Gay marriage is not a federal issue. Appoint judges who support "gay marriage," and who are just as lawless as most of the past half-century's jurists. This is not really a response to you, but more of a semi-related question to you that I'm asking since you're much more of a legal mind than I. Doesn't the Constitution require that marriages from one state be recognized by all the others? Shouldn't it then be the Supreme Court's responsibility to ensure that gay marriages and civil unions from MA, VT, etc be recognized in all other states? Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: jamestroll on January 26, 2009, 02:52:12 PM What can he do about it anyway? Gay marriage is not a federal issue. Appoint judges who support "gay marriage," and who are just as lawless as most of the past half-century's jurists. This is not really a response to you, but more of a semi-related question to you that I'm asking since you're much more of a legal mind than I. Doesn't the Constitution require that marriages from one state be recognized by all the others? Shouldn't it then be the Supreme Court's responsibility to ensure that gay marriages and civil unions from MA, VT, etc be recognized in all other states? His answer to the question will be: No, not in the case of gay marriage. Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: Brittain33 on January 26, 2009, 03:05:22 PM Doesn't the Constitution require that marriages from one state be recognized by all the others? Shouldn't it then be the Supreme Court's responsibility to ensure that gay marriages and civil unions from MA, VT, etc be recognized in all other states? The answer is "sort of yes, but no group will dare argue for it because it would lead to a DOMA amendment to the constitution if we even win in the Supreme Court." Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: Eraserhead on January 26, 2009, 09:51:08 PM jamespol for Attorney General
Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: A18 on February 14, 2009, 07:12:49 PM This is not really a response to you, but more of a semi-related question to you that I'm asking since you're much more of a legal mind than I. Doesn't the Constitution require that marriages from one state be recognized by all the others? Shouldn't it then be the Supreme Court's responsibility to ensure that gay marriages and civil unions from MA, VT, etc be recognized in all other states? Even as a matter of contemporary jurisprudence, the Constitution does not require that. I previously addressed this (surprisingly popular) legend in an earlier post (https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=85077.msg1761169#msg1761169). I think it adequately answers your question. Accord Patrick J. Borchers, The Essential Irrelevance of the Full Faith and Credit Clause to the Same-Sex Marriage Debate, 38 Creighton L. Rev. 353 (http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=899385) (2005). The original meaning of the clause is even more minimalist: The evidence indicates that the first sentence was a purely evidentiary command. For a lengthy analysis of the historical materials, see Ralph U. Whitten, The Original Understanding of the Full Faith and Credit Clause and the Defense of Marriage Act, 32 Creighton L. Rev. 255 (1998). Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: phk on July 02, 2009, 05:03:02 PM jamespol for Attorney General Title: Re: 1996 Obama Supported Gay Marriage 'Unequivocally' Post by: Alcon on July 03, 2009, 12:50:16 AM phknrocket, cut it out or I'll bring this annoying habit up in the Mod Forum. thank you
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