Talk Elections

I lean towards my congresswoman (Gillibrand) but I'm keeping an open mind. She's going to have to flip on some issues. 2010 is going to be a very interesting year for New York politics.

Depends what Gillibrand does, if her voting record is along the lines of what it was in the House then I would likely support McCarthy, if it moves more in the direction of some of the stuff she has said today then I may support Gillibrand.  On the flip side of that is the possibility of another challenger which I believe is what McCarthy would rather.

McCarthy's not going to run.  She said outright she was only going to run if no one else younger than her (she's what, 67?) does.  Even if Gillibrand looks invincible, there will at least be two names on the ballot and she can endorse someone if she really wants to be a bat.  Also, Gillibrand has stated that she intends to work with McCarthy on her prized handgun bill and Gillibrand will likely not differ from Schumer in a single vote until 2013

McCarthy just said that she is running on Hardball. Whether she runs or not in the end, she says she is in it for now.

Oh definitely Kirsten.  Both NY Carolyns (especially McCarthey) are c**nts.

If I had to have one as my Senator, my answer is beyond obvious. If we somehow had a chance at the seat, I'd cheer for the skinny Miss Piggy look alike in the primay.

Nice language.

McCarthy will be a regular guest on cable television for the next two years as the most outspoken critic of the Gillibrand pick. Today McCarthy told NBC's Andrea Mitchell that the new senator would have to convince voters that she is "not the poster girl for the [National Rifle Association]." There is also talk that McCarthy will run in a primary against Gillibrand; that seems unlikely given her reputation as a less-than-aggressive fundraiser.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2009/01/gillibrand_the_pros_and_cons_o.html?hpid=topnews

Why the hell does Chris Matthews keep referring to her as "Kristen Gillibrand from Upstate New York"?

Even I don't use that word.

I support Gillibrand, to answer the question.

He's telling his audience why she was picked.

Carolyn is so Kirstenvious

New word!

Gillibrand easily.

McCarthy's problem isn't just being so militant and ridiculous about gun control, but also idiotic and uninformed on it. Example:

I like the Gillibrand nomination except for the gun control issue plus the fact she leaves a seat for a GOP takeover.  I might have selected Nita Lowey.

I posted a while ago an analysis of  how the other GOP seats the Democrats would eliminate in 2010 would all endanger existing Democrats significantly.  While the GOP might gain a House seat for a couple years, that seat will almost certainly be eliminated unless the Democratic Chairman of Saratoga County or whatever proves to be an exceptional political star.

Gun control issues coming up, should there be any, in the coming years will not be "hunting" issues, expect Gilly to vote straight liberal Democrat on all gun bills.

What you're saying it's likely there's going to be a lot of gun control bills coming up? That the Democrats are going to bother to actually push for gun control?

Thanks for the laugh. Even if the Democrats honestly cared about gun control, they would also know that it's going nowhere in the rural Democrat-flled House.

Meh.  Nita Lowey.

obviously id support mccarthy.

I'd vote for McCarthy, but I have no problem with Gillibrand.

why do democrats love gun nuts like gillibrand?

Obviously I supporter McCarthy over the House version of Gillibrand, although unlike McCarthy, I don't care much about gun-control.

Assuming Gillibrand leans left as I believe she will, I will be throwing my full support behind her. I will probably campaign for her. McCarthy is far too militant about her positions and completely unwilling to even give Gillibrand a chance to prove herself. I have no interest in that kind of disregard for NYers, sacrificing the image of our Senator to further her own ambitions.

McCarthy has stated she would rather someone younger challenge Gillibrand instead, but if no one else did then she would jump in.  As far as not letting Gillibrand prove herself, well perhaps she should, but McCarthy is basing it off of Gillibrand's record in the House, her A NRA rating, that bill she co-sponsored in the House, which past the House, but died in the Senate. 

We will see what happens with Gillibrand's record in the Senate, and if she does move left I will likely support her.  However, I do see where McCarthy is coming from, considerng Gillibrand's overall voting record, especially on an iaaue that is very important to McCarthy with what happened to her husband and son.

I definitely agree that if she doesn't moderate her views she should be primaried, but to assume that she won't is just completely dishonest. Any good politician (and hey, she got herself the Senate seat so she can't be that bad) would know how to play to their constituency. I expect no less from Gillibrand.

True, but at this point all we have to go off of is her record in the House, and based off that you can clearly understand why McCarthy and other liberals aren't happy.  We will see if she changes at all now that she is in the Senate.

Yet if your future assumptions are based on that you'd still be retarded to do so

That might be the case, but the same can be said to just assume that she will suddenly become a liberal now that she is representing the state as a whole instead of a rural district.  We will what her record in the Senate is, but in judging her appointment its certainly fair to look at her record in the House.

I can see from the first page of this thread that the misogyny is ongoing around here.

LOL, McCarthy.  What a talentless one-note shill.

Predictably, she's running only cause of gun control!

Gillibrand.

I'm not sure, to be honest. McCarthy, as of 2006, still supports the Iraq war and has said that she would oppose repealing the death penalty because voters in her district support it (which comes across as a lack of spine to me.

She has voted for a moratorium on the death penalty as well as satrting Iraq withdrawal within 90 days.

If you support gun control, that's the best reason NOT to support McCarthy. All she has done is serve as a good fundraiser for the NRA and a way to chariacture and belittle gun control opponents. Once again, stuff like this does not do the cause of gun control any good:

That doesn't mean that at one point she wasn't willing to sacrifice her values for political benefit.

In 2006, she voted in favor of the House resolution supporting Bush's policies in Iraq
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/16/AR2006061600572.html