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Title: who won cigarette smokers?
Post by: tweed on March 19, 2009, 04:49:37 pm
who won cigarette smokers?


I can't seem to find a way to look at it that would lead me to believe Obama didn't win smokers, as they are disproportionately lower-income.  which means they vote at a lower clip too - which makes them easy targets for unfair taxation.


Title: Re: who won cigarette smokers?
Post by: Smash255 on March 19, 2009, 05:18:19 pm
who won cigarette smokers?


I can't seem to find a way to look at it that would lead me to believe Obama didn't win smokers, as they are disproportionately lower-income.  which means they vote at a lower clip too - which makes them easy targets for unfair taxation.

A large amount of them tend to be white working class voters.


Title: Re: who won cigarette smokers?
Post by: Alcon on March 19, 2009, 11:50:10 pm
Obama, I imagine.  Clinton in the primary, probably.

Smokers are disproportionately low-income and undereducated.  They're less white than average, although it's not purely a direct racial relationship.  Native Americans have very high smoking rates, and blacks are a way's under, then whites, then (I think) Hispanics and Asians, forget what order.


Title: Re: who won cigarette smokers?
Post by: tweed on March 20, 2009, 12:29:31 am
blacks & whites are about the same.  Native Americans smoke at a much higher clip and Asians much lower (particularly Asian women).  don't really recall about Hispanics, I think it's a few points lower than blacks/whites.


Title: Re: who won cigarette smokers?
Post by: Alcon on March 20, 2009, 01:42:47 am
blacks & whites are about the same.  Native Americans smoke at a much higher clip and Asians much lower (particularly Asian women).  don't really recall about Hispanics, I think it's a few points lower than blacks/whites.

I think we're probably talking about the same stats, then.

It actually surprises me that Asian women smoke at such low rates.  I see a lot of young Asian women (college-aged) smoking in Seattle, I assume it's a weight control thing.  Not claiming that's a better sample, but I'm surprised


Title: Re: who won cigarette smokers?
Post by: Smash255 on March 20, 2009, 02:07:02 am
blacks & whites are about the same.  Native Americans smoke at a much higher clip and Asians much lower (particularly Asian women).  don't really recall about Hispanics, I think it's a few points lower than blacks/whites.

I think we're probably talking about the same stats, then.

It actually surprises me that Asian women smoke at such low rates.  I see a lot of young Asian women (college-aged) smoking in Seattle, I assume it's a weight control thing.  Not claiming that's a better sample, but I'm surprised

I was actually just about to say the opposite.  The college I went to (Stony Brook University) was about 25-30% or so Asian, and a bit higher than that of students who dormed (since most of the commuters were from Central Suffolk) and very few Asian women smoked.


Title: Re: who won cigarette smokers?
Post by: Lunar on March 20, 2009, 03:05:19 am
blacks & whites are about the same.  Native Americans smoke at a much higher clip and Asians much lower (particularly Asian women).  don't really recall about Hispanics, I think it's a few points lower than blacks/whites.

I think we're probably talking about the same stats, then.

It actually surprises me that Asian women smoke at such low rates.  I see a lot of young Asian women (college-aged) smoking in Seattle, I assume it's a weight control thing.  Not claiming that's a better sample, but I'm surprised

I never have seen two Asian women smoke together and I go to school at a very Asian university.  I've seen one hipster smoke with a diverse bunch.  I think Koreans especially have a large cultural gender divide between who smokes and who doesn't.


Title: Re: who won cigarette smokers?
Post by: Stranger in a strange land on March 20, 2009, 02:26:36 pm
blacks & whites are about the same.  Native Americans smoke at a much higher clip and Asians much lower (particularly Asian women).  don't really recall about Hispanics, I think it's a few points lower than blacks/whites.

I think we're probably talking about the same stats, then.

It actually surprises me that Asian women smoke at such low rates.  I see a lot of young Asian women (college-aged) smoking in Seattle, I assume it's a weight control thing.  Not claiming that's a better sample, but I'm surprised

I never have seen two Asian women smoke together and I go to school at a very Asian university.  I've seen one hipster smoke with a diverse bunch.  I think Koreans especially have a large cultural gender divide between who smokes and who doesn't.

yeah the Chinese do also. In the PRC, almost all the men smoke and almost none of the women do. There's a huge imbalance in Taiwan and HK as well, though not as big as on the Mainland.


Title: Re: who won cigarette smokers?
Post by: Alcon on March 20, 2009, 05:52:12 pm
Huh.


Title: Re: who won cigarette smokers?
Post by: ilikeverin on March 20, 2009, 08:29:50 pm
There's also a big difference between recently immigrated Asians and not-so-recently immigrated ones; given that smoking has greatly increased recently in China, many more newly-immigrated Chinese people will be smokers than those whose families have been in the country for a while (even, say, 10-20 years).


Title: Re: who won cigarette smokers?
Post by: Marokai Backbeat on March 20, 2009, 09:35:18 pm
I hardly think smokers coordinate themselves as a voting bloc, but if I were to guess, I'd say Obama.