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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Rick Perry wants to talk with AOC about GND on: Today at 02:12:55 pm
I have no idea what Perry might say to AOC.

When it comes to the Green New Deal, there are two important concepts in conflict.  One concept is the idea that Global Warming is caused in part by human behavior, and there are things humans can do to reduce, and even reverse, the effects.  The other concept is the idea that, at the present time, we have ALTERNATIVES to fossil fuels, but no SUBSTITUTE for fossil fuels, and a SUBSTITUTE is not in the offing anytime soon. 

How do we balance the danger of burning stuff to have energy with the idea that only by burning stuff at the levels we currently do will we maintain our current living standards?  If you can figure this out, you'll be a rich, rich person.

The clean, renewable substitute to fossil fuels has existed for generations but AOC and her allies oppose it on ideological grounds.


We should probably do more nuclear, but it's only going to help offset a portion of the energy we get from fossil fuels. And while it's debatable how much uranium can actually be mined, it's definitely not renewable.

The only way we can completely replace fossil fuels is to use a lot less energy.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Crazy Trump Tweets Megathread on: Today at 10:10:38 am
Other than the last month of the campaign when the staff took over his twitter, I'm pretty sure this is the most he tweeted in a weekend. There was a 5 minute span yesterday where he retweeted about 10 things. All nonsense/hate of course.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Colorado proposes to vote for national popular vote winner in electoral college on: Today at 07:36:22 am
Disgusting overreach of power proposed by the Democrats.

How is it an overreach of power? It is the right of the legislature to choose how the elctors are allocated, and the power is quite broad as has been affirmed by the Supreme Court many times.

Has this actually been litigated? Iirc several states have laws punishing faithless electors and in some cases nullified their changed votes, which definitely feels like it should be unconstitutional, but...

Feels like it should be, but SCOTUS has ruled it's legal for the electors to be pledged. Techincally punishment & replacment laws for a non-compliant vote have not been tested.
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Your name for Donald Trump on: March 15, 2019, 12:59:49 pm
Little Hands or Donny Boy. i think they would piss him off. I'd save Little Donny Boy for junior.
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Mitt Romney And Rob Portman will vote to block Trump national emergency order on: March 15, 2019, 07:28:24 am
Cory Gardner really is an idiot

Did he forget he's facing reelection next year or has he just given up, realizing he's gone?

I think he's worried about the primary.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump endorses year-round Daylight Savings Time on: March 13, 2019, 07:33:33 am
Might be easier for everyone to just be on one time, and adjust open hours locally. We all run on GST, but on the east coast school is from 300 to 1100, whereas on the west coast it's from 600 to 1300 or however that math works.

Agreed, I wish the whole world would use zulu/UTC time.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump endorses year-round Daylight Savings Time on: March 12, 2019, 02:28:34 pm
One of the few things I agree with him on.

As a night owl, my preference would be to extend it all year. But I would vastly prefer standard time to what we're doing now.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump: Today's airplanes are too complex, need to make them simpler again on: March 12, 2019, 11:24:10 am
It's like he knows more about airplanes than anybody.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Unearthed audio of Tucker Carlson defending paedophilia etc. on: March 11, 2019, 08:50:07 pm
No the age of consent being 16 seems perfectly normal to me. What's creepy is when teenagers are pursued sexually by people twice their age, regardless of its legality.

Most of those people aren't also pursuing pre-pubescent children, which is a different kind of evil altogether, and what most people think of when they think of pedophiles. I believe that's what BlueSwan was getting at with the clarification.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Unearthed audio of Tucker Carlson defending paedophilia etc. on: March 11, 2019, 08:40:19 pm
Could we also not call people who are sexually attracted to 16 year olds pedophiles, please?

A pedophile in medical/psychiatric terms is someone who is sexually attracted to prepubescent kids, not to 16 year olds who in any biological sense are adults, if not in a mental sense.

16 year olds are most definitely not adults mentally. They do not have good decision-making skills as a matter of biology.

Also, I always get creeped out by comments like this. It feels like defense of pedophilia without outright saying it.

Does it creep you out that the age of consent is 16 in your state? You guys have decided 16 year olds can consent to sex.

Being attracted to a 16 year old does not imply pedophilia, either as a medical or legal matter, even if it creeps you out. Ephebophilia is the term for that, and it has a different term because it's a very different phenomenon, with different laws surrounding it as a result.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Unearthed audio of Tucker Carlson defending paedophilia etc. on: March 11, 2019, 02:39:56 pm
I don't know what came before the snippet of the conversation in the article. But in that snippet he says he's not defending it and that he's against it. The only sense in which he's "defending" it is that he said it's not as bad as something else.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump Cabinet confirmation hearings **live commentary thread** on: February 27, 2019, 02:38:54 am
And with that, we have marked an unfortunate moment in Senate History. This is the first time in literally forever that a judicial nominee has been confirmed over the objections of BOTH of their Home State Senators. (Miller is from WA)

I don't personally consider that scenario unfortunate. The blue slip custom is stupid.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: 2016 staffer sues Trump for kissing her against her will on: February 27, 2019, 02:34:50 am
Trump had a black girlfriend once. So this wouldn't be something new for him. It also doesn't show he's not a racist.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Jeffrey Epstein asked whether he and Trump interacted with underage girls on: February 22, 2019, 03:46:26 pm
I mean we really aren’t supposed to be making judgements off of Fifth pleas.

The jury and judge aren't. Everybody else can make a judgment off it as they please.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: 7 year old Texas boy using hot chocolate stand to raise money for Trump's wall on: February 22, 2019, 09:03:59 am
Worst kid since Jake Lloyd.

I like the Phantom Menace.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: States Introduce Bills to Ban Marriage Equality to Get It Back in Front of SCOTU on: February 20, 2019, 08:30:56 am
Stare decisis (the legal doctrine that judicial decisions once made are not to be overturned except on some higher principle than those principles  considered in the decision) holds.

The decision is on par with Brown v. Board of Education and Loving v. Virginia. It is set.

Yes, there was Plessy v. Ferguson that established the tolerance for "separate but equal" -- but such was proved in practice an oxymoron.

Brown didn't overturn Plessy. They ruled separate but equal was not realized in practice so the schools had to integrate. Courts are loathe to actually overturn precedent.
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Wyoming death penalty repeal narrowly fails because "Jesus" on: February 19, 2019, 03:47:25 pm
God apparently made the rule that he had to die in order to forgive us for our sins. He presumably could have forgiven us for our sins anyway, in particular if he had been merely incarcerated.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Virginia megathread on: February 19, 2019, 03:42:31 pm
It's the same thing as Larry Craig I guess. Just refuse to resign and eventually no one really cares anymore.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Indictment-O-Rama, Act 3: Cohen Up the River on: February 18, 2019, 05:08:40 pm
Keep in mind that Stone is under a gag order restricting him from publicly commenting on his trial.

Only around the courthouse I believe.
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: No "Free the Nipple!" for NH Women on: February 14, 2019, 08:40:40 am
Bad news for NH women, good news for everyone else.

For years, women across the country have rebelled against indecent exposure laws by appearing topless in public and willfully risking arrest. The campaign is known by its rallying cry: “Free the nipple!”

In a loss for the activists, the New Hampshire Supreme Court on Friday upheld the convictions of three women who were arrested for going topless on a beach in 2016.

In the 3-to-2 ruling, the court decided that a city ordinance in Laconia, N.H., that bars women from exposing their nipples did not discriminate based on gender. The majority decision cited court rulings in other states that said society’s conventions consider female breasts to be an “erogenous zone” and that the laws ban both men and women from exposing body parts that are “intimately associated with the procreation function.”

That logic is precisely what the women from New Hampshire were seeking to undermine when they showed up topless at a beach three years ago.


It is beyond absurb. Breasts have nothing to do with sex, genitalia, or reproduction. They would not be considered an "erogenous zone” if they were not forbidden fruit. There are cultures where breasts are seen as an ordinary body part and something else, like legs, are considered risqué and must be covered.

And if you really want nipples covered, then the same restiction must be in place for male nipples. This is only a good thing if you like discriminating against women.
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Congress has reached a deal to avoid shutdown (far right already mad) on: February 13, 2019, 08:24:59 pm

What is the rationale to reject this?

The usual philosophy is that contractors should only get paid for time worked. For example, when the President sometimes gives federal employees the day before Christmas off, or random days like H.W.'s funeral, contractors either have to work or take leave.

I'm assuming this is regarding contractors who weren't allowed to work during the shutdown. If they were deemed essential and kept working, they have to be paid under the law.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Anti-vaxxers protest in Washington State, defy efforts to protect children on: February 13, 2019, 04:29:55 pm
90% should not have to give in for just 1%. The right of my body overrides the need to protect these people. There is nothing in the Constitution that states individuals have the right to be protected from diseases and or hurt feelings. The unenumerated rights of the Constitution states individuals have the right to choose what to do with their health and body. The Supreme Court ruled on this several times.

Yeah I don't necessarily disagree with you, at least for adults. Children are a different matter.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Congress has reached a deal to avoid shutdown (far right already mad) on: February 13, 2019, 03:34:02 pm
For whatever it's worth, when I first read it I thought it was clear from the full context what you were talking about and the wording was inadvertent. :shrugs:
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Anti-vaxxers protest in Washington State, defy efforts to protect children on: February 13, 2019, 03:27:16 pm
What about the facts that you and my opponents ignore? Drastic action is needed against the pharmaceutical companies so that they stop hurting and killing kids. Science and facts can be incorrect. I can't stress this enough. It doesn't matter what kind of education or experience somebody has because everybody is capable of lying. Your so immature that you have troll instead of backing up your ideas with facts. How my choices over my body effect you other than hurt your feelings?

The way in which it can hurt others is that those who cannot take some/all vaccinations for medical reasons must rely on 90+% of the population to be vaccinated in order to be protected. So then it's a value judgment society has to make over whether your right to your body overrides the need to protect these people. But the decision not to vaccinate definitely affects the well being of others.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Virginia megathread on: February 13, 2019, 11:41:52 am
Yeah if a quarter of women are raped, then a significant fraction of that are going to be raped by more than one person just statistically. An investigation is good but I wouldn't discount her claims just because she's claimed it more than once.
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