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51  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Charlie Munger - Healthcare costs hurting US corporations, we need Single payer on: August 10, 2017, 01:38:39 pm
There's actually a strong conservative case to be made for single payer, and it should be telling that conservatives in the UK and Canada don't want to get rid of their systems.
52  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump Has Complete Authority to Order Nuclear Attack on: August 09, 2017, 12:02:50 pm
Yes. Although Congress voting on the matter probably isn't realistic in the event of an actual nuclear war, or even a severe crisis, at the very least, the President, Secretary of Defense, and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff should all have to agree to use nuclear weapons. A No First Use Policy would be best.
53  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trumpcare Megathread: Skinny repeal fails 49-51 on: August 04, 2017, 09:18:34 pm
Republican donor sues GOP for fraud over ObamaCare repeal failure

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A Republican donor in Virginia has filed a lawsuit against the national and Virginia Republican parties, accusing them of fraud and racketeering for raising millions of dollars in donations knowing they wouldn’t be able to repeal ObamaCare.
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The suit blasts the Republican Party, saying it “has been engaged in a pattern of Racketeering which involves massive fraud perpetrated on Republican voters and contributors as well as some Independents and Democrats.”
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As part of his suit, Heghmann argues that the Republican Party does not hold the same protection that members of Congress have against being sued for failing to fulfill campaign promises. He wants the GOP to either threaten to withhold money from members of Congress if they don’t repeal ObamaCare, or return contributions to donors.

I'm sure this will go nowhere, but it's amusing.


TBF, he has a point.
54  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2018 Senatorial Election Polls / Re: AL-RRH: Moore +2 in GOP primary, +2/+23 in runoff with Strange/Brooks on: August 04, 2017, 03:19:49 pm
I just realized Moore is 70, which is pretty old to be starting a career in the U.S. Senate.
55  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Zuckerberg hires former Clinton pollster Joel Benenson as consultant on: August 04, 2017, 11:28:14 am
Okay here's a question: who is Zuckerberg's base in the Democratic party? I can't see him winning IA, NH, or SC, and if he can't win at least one of those, he has no path to the nomination. And you can't just handwave "MUH MILLENNIALS" because there's no proof in polling or otherwise that Zuck has any special appeal to them.
56  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Describe a Muslim that voted for trump. on: August 04, 2017, 09:10:51 am
Syrian or Lebanese Shia, who are now regretting their votes.
57  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Kushner talk withh congressional interns, leaked on: August 04, 2017, 08:59:33 am
Jared and Ivanka are the leakers. Notice how in every story they're either the good guys or the sole voices of reason? Classic Unreliable Narrators.
58  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: If we switched to a national PV election system... on: August 04, 2017, 08:49:51 am
I'm not sure what would change demographically, but I could almost guarantee that every single presidential election would be a 2000-like debacle under a NPV system.
There hasn't been a single presidential election in US history where the popular vote was as close as Florida was in 2000, so I'm not sure why you're so confident in this?

I hear this argument a lot from EC advocates, but it's worth remembering that of the world's five most populous countries, four are democracies, and if Indonesia and Brazil can elect their presidents by direct popular vote, there's no good reason that the far richer and more developed U.S. couldn't.
59  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Donald Trump Goes All In On Slashing Legal Immigration on: August 02, 2017, 02:46:11 pm
Luckily this bill is DOA in the Senate and probably the House too.

Is it really, though? I mean I think it could only pass both houses with bare margins, but given how anti-immigrant the GOP base is and how much they care, this bill is definitely not DOA.



Finding 40 votes to filibuster it won't be hard, it can't be passed under reconciliation, and Mitch won't nuke the legislative filibuster over this.
60  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Seth Moulton (D-MA) vs. Tom Cotton (R-AR) on: August 02, 2017, 12:39:32 pm
Cotton would win. More name recognition. I have a hard time seeing Moulton firing up SJWs who'd want Kamala Harris.

Rich donors in SF, LA, and NY want Harris. "SJWs" have no clue who Harris is, and from what I've seen would actually prefer Warren, judging by the amount of "SHE PERSISTED" stuff going on on #Resistance FB & Twitter.
61  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: AZ-SEN Class 1: Flake News! on: August 02, 2017, 09:59:09 am
Go Sinema! Smash whichever MAGA Chud primaries Flake!
62  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: So when does Tillerson head back to the board room? on: August 01, 2017, 03:12:36 pm
He's not heading back to the board room at his age. You don't work as a CEO past your mid sixties unless you're the founder of the company or there's a succession crisis.

He'll serve on plenty of boards of directors and play golf or whatever leisure activity he engages in.

Ah, but where do those board of directors meet? In a room perhaps? And what do we call those rooms? Checkmate libtard. Grin

Seriously though, he'll be gone by October and when Trump Rams through a finding that Iran has somehow been non-compliant with the nuclear treaty, which news reports from other threads Today Show is a given and he wants war with Iran come hell or high water

Does he know Iran is an ally of Russia?
63  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Kid Rock Running for Michigan Senate Seat on: August 01, 2017, 11:52:30 am
Doesn't he have concerts scheduled throughout 2018? There's no way he's cancelling in exchange for a political career that could destroy his fan base.
He probably thinks he can still go on tour and run for senate at the same time, just like how at one point, Trump was apparently in talks to continue The Apprentice from the White House (though this was back in Fall 2015 when nobody thought he would actually win).
64  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2018 Senatorial Election Polls / Re: OH-Luntz Global: Brown +19 on: August 01, 2017, 11:50:02 am
Obvious junk, but rematches almost never work out, and it's hard to defeat an incumbent senator in a midterm with an unpopular opposite-party president.
65  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Cory Booker introduces bill to legalize Marijuana at the federal level on: August 01, 2017, 11:45:19 am
This is brilliant and long-overdue. If Hillary had come out in support of legal marijuana and opposed the DAPL pipeline, she would be president now.
66  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Could the 2018 Russian presidnential race play a role in the midterm elections? on: July 29, 2017, 09:10:58 pm
No, because the Russian election is an electoral type event, not a true election
67  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Ben Shapiro vs. Cenk Uygur Debate on: July 29, 2017, 11:27:15 am
Oh God. Shapiro can debate circles around Cenk. This is going to be a massacre.
68  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bernie in OK and WV on: July 27, 2017, 09:40:47 pm
He might have won a county or two in WV against Trump. He would have won 5-10 or so vs Cruz and 15-20 vs Jeb. He wouldn't have won any in OK. 
69  General Discussion / History / Re: Most Boring Part of U.S. History on: July 24, 2017, 10:29:47 am
- The 1990s (the decade about nothing)
- The Gilded Age (1880-1900 or so)
70  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: WSJ: Mueller investigating possible money laundering by Manafort on: July 21, 2017, 02:59:13 pm
Ironically, Trump's NYT interview provides a blueprint for what very well might end up being the endgame of his presidency:

1) Mueller's commission recommends charges against Kunsher, Manafort, Trump Jr., Flynn, Page, and possibly others, as well as articles of impeachment against Trump
2) Trump pardons all of them
3) Backlash ensues
4) Trump orders Rod Rosenstein to fire Mueller. Rosenstein refuses, so Trump fires him. He then orders Sessions to fire Mueller. Sessions, who is unhappy with his job and the constant disrespect he receives from his boss, resigns rather than fire Mueller. Eventually, someone craven enough to fire Mueller is found, but the justice department is effectively gutted
5) Enormous public backlash ensues, with a general strike and major demonstrations in major cities for days
6) Major Republican figures begin to abandon Trump
7) The house takes up articles of impeachment. After several months, the House votes 217-213 to impeach Trump
8 ) The impeachment trial drags on for several months, while Trump's tweets become increasingly crude, vulgar, and unhinged
9) John McCain, nearing death, is wheeled into the Senate to cast the deciding vote to remove Trump from office
10) Trump refuses to leave office, but no longer being legally president, he is physically dragged out of the oval office by security
11) Mike Pence takes the oath of office, but because he and many of his staff have been implicated in the scandal, Pence has to govern under a cloud of Russia-related suspicion, scandal, and investigation. His approval ratings almost immediately plunge into the low 30s, where they remain until his term ends in January 2021.

You should flesh this out and turn it into a timeline.

Ironically, this is actually based on the theory I've developed that we're living in a timeline written by a teenage Atlas poster living in a reality where things are humming along more or less fine. This is how I imagine such a timeline progressing based on what's happened so far.
71  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: WSJ: Mueller investigating possible money laundering by Manafort on: July 21, 2017, 12:02:00 pm
Ironically, Trump's NYT interview provides a blueprint for what very well might end up being the endgame of his presidency:

1) Mueller's commission recommends charges against Kunsher, Manafort, Trump Jr., Flynn, Page, and possibly others, as well as articles of impeachment against Trump
2) Trump pardons all of them
3) Backlash ensues
4) Trump orders Rod Rosenstein to fire Mueller. Rosenstein refuses, so Trump fires him. He then orders Sessions to fire Mueller. Sessions, who is unhappy with his job and the constant disrespect he receives from his boss, resigns rather than fire Mueller. Eventually, someone craven enough to fire Mueller is found, but the justice department is effectively gutted
5) Enormous public backlash ensues, with a general strike and huge demonstrations in major cities for days
6) Major Republican figures begin to abandon Trump
7) The house takes up articles of impeachment. After several months, the House votes 217-213 to impeach Trump
8 ) The impeachment trial drags on for several months, while Trump's tweets become increasingly crude, vulgar, and unhinged
9) John McCain, nearing death, is wheeled into the Senate to cast the deciding vote to remove Trump from office
10) Trump refuses to leave office, but no longer being legally president, he is physically dragged out of the oval office by security
11) Mike Pence takes the oath of office, but because he and many of his staff have been implicated in the scandal, Pence has to govern under a cloud of Russia-related suspicion, scandal, and investigation. His approval ratings almost immediately plunge into the low 30s, where they remain until his term ends in January 2021.
72  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: TDB: Trump’s Campaign Conceded in a Memo That Comey Was Having Major Impact on: July 19, 2017, 12:18:31 pm
James Comey, a Federal Employee paid for by our tax dollars, used his official position to flip an election in favor of the party that he was a twice max-donor to, and which he had a yard sign for in front of his house. He did so knowing that there was a foreign effort to undermine the election by helping the candidate of that same party, which he was keeping under wraps. Criminal, criminal, criminal.
Yes, while everything that's been said about Clinton and her campaign in this thread is true, this is why I shed no tears and played the world's smallest violin when Trump stabbed him in the back.
73  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What intricacies of the GOP primary process led Trump to win nomination? on: July 19, 2017, 12:16:48 pm
What aspect of GOP primary rules allowed trump to win nomination?

The main thing was the preponderance of Winner-Take-All primaries, which allowed him to, for example, win 100% of South Carolina's delegates with 33% of the vote and build up a lead which eventually became insurmountable that way.

However, more so than the primary process itself was the pre-primary process in which the Establishment coalesced around Jeb Bush, who then proceeded to flop spectacularly in the election, but yet who was unable to drop out due to his commanding lead in fundraising and endorsements. The murder/suicide of negative campaigning between Bush and Rubio helped him too. 
74  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Presidential Election Trends / Re: Most pro-Trump ethnic minority? on: July 18, 2017, 09:19:12 am
Armenians seemed to be pretty pro-Trump here in Los Angeles. I don't know if they're considered ethnic minorities though.

Is Kim Kardashian a ethnic minority? Tough call.
She is a Democrat. Her mom is a Republican though I think.
People from the actual Caucasus are most certainly white, and Kris Jenner is of Dutch, English, German, and Scottish descent.
75  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Caitlyn Jenner mulling run for Senate on: July 17, 2017, 12:14:09 pm
She's managed to alienate literally everybody, and let's be real here: a Trump supporter who backed Ted Cruz in the primary isn't winning a Senate Seat in CA no matter how high in the progressive stack they are.
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