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26  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Illegal Immigrant Murder Megathread on: August 25, 2015, 12:48:32 pm
It would be nice if you at least quoted pertinent parts of your link to construct your posts here, construct a cited claim instead of just pasting sources at us.

Here's what I've found looking into the murder rate more:


"Let’s take homicide as an example. The GAO estimates “criminal aliens” were arrested, convicted and incarcerated for 25,064 homicides. If non-citizens committed them over seven years, the annual rate would be 14.2 per 100,000 non-citizens. If illegal aliens committed them over four years, the annual rate would be 58.0 per 100,000 illegal aliens. Either way you compute, those are high rates.

By comparison, the FBI reports the murder rates for the entire U.S. from 2003 through 2009 varied from 5.0 to 5.8 per 100,000 inhabitants for an average rate of 5.5. To be clear, 5.5 is much lower than either 14.2 or 58.0.

Or look at the total number of homicides in those years. Per the FBI, there were 67,642 murders in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. Per the GAO, criminal aliens committed 25,064 of them. That means they committed 22% to 37% of all murders in the U.S., while being only 3.52% to 8.25% of the population."
27  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Illegal Immigrant Murder Megathread on: August 25, 2015, 10:27:59 am
Well we have a police murder megathread, police kill a few hundred people a year in the U.S. So I figured let's start tracking murders committed by illegal immigrants and statistics relevant to the issue.

"Between 2008 and 2014, 40% of all murder convictions in Florida were criminal aliens. In New York it was 34% and Arizona 17.8%.

During those years, criminal aliens accounted for 38% of all murder convictions in the five states of California, Texas, Arizona, Florida and New York, while illegal aliens constitute only 5.6% of the total population in those states.

That 38% represents 7,085 murders out of the total of 18,643."


Here is a video presenting these statistics from the Government Accountability Office:


Certainly if your concern is loss of life, illegal aliens are a much larger cause of loss of life than police, who are responsible for several hundred deaths a year, while illegal immigrants are responsible for thousands of deaths a year.
28  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Iowa Radio Host: Bring Back Slavery but for Illegal Immigrants on: August 25, 2015, 10:20:14 am
When the media and the democratic party started acting as if mainstream republicans were unserious jokes, it gave the people who were usurious jokes some legitimacy. I'm embarrassed for my party and conservatives in general.

This attitude is why Trump is winning, people hate the fact that Republicans are more concerned with being "embarassed" in front of liberals than they are with actually implementing any policies that would help this country or their constituents.
29  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Romney to be the Anti-Trump? on: August 25, 2015, 10:14:03 am
Pick the guy who lost twice in a row to beat the first Republican candidate that people are really enthusiastic for in years?

Lol you see why Republicans are such a joke.

I get what you're saying and I'm not coming at this from some elitist "stupid racist Trump supporters" kind of standpoint. I just don't think Trump can win, and given someone like Mitt Romney who has been proven right on many issues he was lambasted for in 2012, I think the third time could really be the charm.

Romney is seen as weak, a panderer, a lying politician who will change everything he believes to be elected.

Wouldn't last a minute in the same room with Trump.

Get on board the Trump train, he is winning, there is no one who can mess with him.
30  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Can Trump just implode already? on: August 25, 2015, 10:11:43 am
Trump can win the GE. Many people who wouldn't normally vote, who see the whole system as corrupt, will vote for him.

Millions of people see liberals winning time and time again, sees Republicans as capitulating time and time again, moving farther left every cycle. They're sick of it.

Last time around Republicans thought polls were underestimating Romney when really they were pretty accurate in predicting Obama's comfortable victory. This time around, with Trump being so unconventional and attracting people to vote who normally wouldn't, you can expect polls that have traditional models of likely voters to underestimate him.

That isn't to say he's a lock to win, but he can win. I can't imagine who in the world got excited for Romney, and he won over 45% of the popular vote. And Clinton/Sanders/Biden are certainly less galvanizing politicians than Obama is.
31  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Some kind of Test before Voting? on: August 24, 2015, 09:18:56 pm
It has been suggested before to make the test similar to our Citizenship Test, which has questions and answers publicly available online. They are very simple questions:

"What is the supreme law of the land?"

"Who lived in America before Europeans arrived?"

"Who wrote the Declaration of Independence?"

"Name one state that borders Canada."

"When do we celebrate Independence Day?"
32  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should states be allowed to leave the USA? on: August 24, 2015, 08:55:35 pm
Unless the people in the region wanting secession are being oppressed or massacred more than people in the rest of the country, secession should not be tolerated.

The Revolutionary War was different because the Thirteen Colonies weren't part of Britain. They were colonies, and had every right to independence.
This is just the winners writing the history.

Had Britain won they'd have just said "The Thirteen Colonies were Colonies of the Crown and thus had no right to independence, as such their treasonous rebellion was put down."

You have a "right to independence" if you can enforce it, or you have someone else who will enforce it on your behalf.

Russia has helped ensure several small breakaway Republics in the Ex-Soviet sphere have de-facto independence even though the West does not recognize that "right".
33  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Castro or Pinochet: Worse Dictator? on: August 24, 2015, 08:46:01 pm
These are Latin America's best two leaders in the modern era.

In their own ways, Cuba and Chile have overcome many of the issues that continue to plague the rest of Latin America.

First of all, you can look at the UN's measure the Human Development Index, and not that Chile and Cuba are currently the top two Latin American countries by this measure.

In Cuba they have eliminated a lot of the extreme poverty that is all too common without Latin America. Obviously they aren't doing great by American standards but the amount of people who are absolutely destitute is miniscule compared to any other Latin American country. The AIDs rate there is the lowest in the Caribbean, lower than the U.S., thanks to Castro's prompt quarantining of anyone with HIV in Cuba. Infant mortality in Cuba is famously lower than in the U.S. The homicide rate in Cuba is lower than that of the U.S. as well.

Chile is the opposite, they are the most prosperous country in Latin America, and very safe as well. Their homicide rate is right on par with the U.S. Their HDI is the highest in Latin America, and since Pinochet their country has been remarkably stable and easily the best place to live in South America.

Here are some comparisons:

Homicide rate per 100,000:

Cuba: 4.2
U.S.: 4.7
Chile: 3.1
Argentina: 5.5
Costa Rica: 8.5
Peru: 9.6
Panama: 17.5
Dominican Republic: 22.1

The fact that most people think these two men deserve scorn shows a real lack of caring about outcomes of governance. Both of these men were NOT democrats and provided better results for their countries than corrupt Latin American democratic government has provided practically anywhere.
34  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Romney to be the Anti-Trump? on: August 24, 2015, 08:37:00 pm
Pick the guy who lost twice in a row to beat the first Republican candidate that people are really enthusiastic for in years?

Lol you see why Republicans are such a joke.
35  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Bush clarifies 'anchor babies' wasn't anti-Hispanic slur, it was about Asians on: August 24, 2015, 08:36:02 pm

It begins...

Republicans say something

Democrats scream "THAT'S OFFENSIVE!"

Republicans say "Oh so sorry"

Democrats still hate them

Republicans keep apologizing, hoping one day they'll get a pat on the head for not being racist/sexist/homophobic whatever.

It never stops. Republicans they will never stop calling you this.

Stop giving a fk, stop apologizing, stop being weak.
36  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Kristol suggests more candidates should get into GOP race on: August 24, 2015, 08:01:48 pm
Republicans finally found a candidate who speaks the truth, gets enthusiasm from their base, and offers a real solution to the immigration and border problem, and their first instinct is to just try to sabotage it.

37  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Bernie Sanders Completely Rejects Open Borders on: August 24, 2015, 07:31:52 pm

What does this have to do with political correctness? This is all about eradicating the old European tradition (so dear to you) of making lampshades of human skin.

Deportation is not the holocaust. You're bonkers.
38  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Can Trump just implode already? on: August 24, 2015, 07:13:36 pm
Cry more, cucks.

Liberals will never stop calling Republicans racist, sexist, whatever.

You can keep cowering and trying to pick candidates that you think liberals will like the most, or just go with the only guy who actually has a shot of winning.

39  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Paraguay successful at denying 11-year old incest victim abortion on: August 24, 2015, 07:09:55 pm
A child will be born in Paraguay.

Carry on.

A child born of a rapist stepfather and an 11 year old girl who will have her physical and mental health drastically affected by this.

So mercy kill her?

40  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: North Korea again threatens war with South on: August 24, 2015, 02:17:10 pm
I almost hope they follow through on their threats this time around, and outright invade South Korea -again.  It would give us an excuse to at long last extinguish this regime once and for all time.  

You want the U.S. to go to war with a nuclear power?

You're insane.

Try this.  You can thank me later.  

You said you wanted "us" to "extinguish" North Korea. What in the world does that mean besides use our military against a nuclear power?

If you want us to go to war with North Korea, say it. If not, don't say that it gives "us" a chance to "extinguish" them.
41  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Paraguay successful at denying 11-year old incest victim abortion on: August 24, 2015, 02:12:33 pm
A child will be born in Paraguay.

Carry on.
42  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The topless parade. Pride or Shame? on: August 24, 2015, 09:27:46 am
I've seen a girl walking around NY with her dress pulled down just loving the attention.

Could have caused a car crash:

43  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should states be allowed to leave the USA? on: August 24, 2015, 09:26:39 am
How do you all feel about Kosovo leaving Serbia, or Tibet leaving China?

The general issue of a region of a country wanting to secede, are you OK with it?

If so, why the exception for our country?
44  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Women in the military: yes or no? on: August 23, 2015, 09:46:35 am
As long as they can meet the same physical requirements as the men, sure.

This is not what is happening though, standards are constantly being dropped in the military, among police, and firefighters to allow for women to come in.

The two "first female army rangers" who just got headlines only did so because the standards were dropped to allow them to pass.

When ISIS captures our slower, weaker, weighed-down female soldiers and starts using them as baby factories and selling them into sex slavery, well, be careful what you wished for.
45  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Black Lives Matter releases its policy platform on: August 23, 2015, 09:43:32 am
Here is one program that was apparently successful at reducing crime among young black people. Giving them jobs and an adult mentor reduced crime over an 18-month period.

The study says that teen employment is at a 60-year low, and obviously fatherlessness is a huge predictor of criminality. So finding a job and some employed adult to act as a positive influence in these kids lives had a positive effect. Wonderful.

I can't help but note that if illegal immigrants were deported, there would be many minimum wage jobs suddenly opening up to poor black kids that could help them make money in a legitimate way. Most studies of gangs that sell drugs find that the average guy selling drugs actually makes less per hour than the minimum wage. Working some crappy job also doesn't get you shot as often as gang work does.

The study:


A public summer jobs program for high school students from disadvantaged neighborhoods in Chicago reduced violent crime arrests by 43 percent over a 16-month period, according to a new study from the University of Chicago Crime Lab and the University of Pennsylvania. The randomized controlled trial is published in the journal Science.

Crime Lab study finds youth employment program has impact on violent crime arrests
This research comes as youth employment in the summer months, when teenagers are most likely to work, is near a 60-year low. The challenges facing minority and low-income youth are particularly stark; the 2010 employment rate for low-income black teens in Illinois was less than one-fourth the rate for higher-income white teens: 9 percent vs. 39 percent.

Study author Sara Heller, PhD‘13, assistant professor of criminology at the University of Pennsylvania, noted that acts of violence kill almost 150 people daily in the United States, and injure more than 6,000—a level the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention call a public health crisis. Individuals ages 10 to 24 are twice as likely as adults to be victims or perpetrators of violence, and the problem is concentrated among disadvantaged minority youth. Joblessness has been identified by experts as one of the major causes of these racial violence disparities.

The new study evaluated the impact of Chicago’s One Summer Plus program, which offers eight weeks of part-time summer employment at Illinois minimum wage ($8.25 per hour) and an adult job mentor to help youth manage barriers to employment.
46  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What's wrong with Sanders? on: August 23, 2015, 09:36:07 am
"I would never give up my microphone. I thought that was disgusting. That showed such weakness, the way he was taken away by two young women -- the microphone; they just took the whole place over," Trump told reporters during an evening news conference before speaking to a Republican group in Michigan.

"That will never happen with me," he said. "I don't know if I'll do the fighting myself or if other people will, but that was a disgrace. I felt badly for him. But it showed that he's weak."

47  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should states be allowed to leave the USA? on: August 23, 2015, 09:29:51 am
The real problem here is that, when there is a conflict with a government, the ultimate question is military might.

The U.S. says that states don't have a right to secede, and will use military force to prevent it. If the south would have won the war, then they would have been able to establish their own country. But militarily they couldn't, and we kept them in the fold.

Your "right" to do anything is dependent on your ability to enforce your decision.


Do you have a "right" to live in your house?

What if people with weapons come and take you out by force?

Well you call the cops, but what if the people who took your force are stronger than the cops and keep your house?

You had an agreement with the cops to protect you, but if you failed, well, your "right" is a meaningless social agreement that didn't work out for you. Your "right" to your property is null and void if someone with superior force decides to take it


So states will not be allowed to peacefully secede. If a state could somehow stand up to the entire U.S. military, it could do it, but that seems very unlikely.

I would prefer it if the U.S. could peacefully let states secede if they so wished, but it seems very unlikely.
48  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What will take Trump down? on: August 23, 2015, 09:14:40 am
Scathing National Review articles like this:

Read the comments... While Trump gets no love on Atlas he is clearly Twitter's favorite right-winger.

49  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump is the leading candidate for White Evangelicals on: August 22, 2015, 11:31:21 pm
My absolute favorite things about Trump are:

1. Liberals complaining about him reinterpreting the 14th amendment.

2. Liberals complaining that deportation is too expensive and we have to worry about our spending.

Guys deportation is a shovel ready program! Imagine the jobs it would create! It is pure economic stimulus.
50  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump: Make America White Again? on: August 22, 2015, 03:40:15 pm
However, if illegal immigrants were gone or significantly reduced in number, that would be a lot of construction, manual labor, gardening, dishwashing, etc. jobs that would suddenly need to be done and be filled by Americans making at least the minimum wage in their locality. Which would be better than these Americans having no income or living off welfare.

This is a myth, or even a hoax if you want. You can say whatever you want about global warming deniers, yet this is the way I see it an even much greater hoax still. They do the work that noone else is willing to do. Try to get your poor white unemployed neighbour to start cleaning toilets, and he probably wouldn't even talk to you anymore. And immigrants don't steal other people's work. Research show something like for every 10 new immigrant workers, something like 12 more jobs are created. By the way, did you know that most billionaires don't pay taxes at all? Neither do many/most multi national companies. Is that fair?

Completely untrue.

Do you think before the U.S. had millions of illegals, no one mopped? No one cleaned dishes? No one picked food, or did construction?

It isn't only cleaning toilets, illegals are huge in the construction industry for instance, you see them as landscapers/gardeners everywhere.

These are jobs that if there weren't illegals around, someone would have to do it.

The fact that you think there literally are not people you could pay to sweep the floors or clean toilets is silly, every country in the world has people to do these jobs. If no one wants to do it, well then the market would indicate that you should pay a higher price for that job. Businessowners would love to import quasi-slaves who they could pay almost nothing. But if that's not an option, then they'd have to actually pay a citizen the minimum wage.

I have no sympathy for the super-rich who pay no taxes, I do not worship at the altar of tax cuts.
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