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1  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: 1968: Rockefeller (R) v. McCarthy (D) v. Wallace (I) on: March 31, 2016, 08:50:34 pm

333: Rockefeller/Ford(45.6%)
158: McCarthy/Morse(35.7%)
47: Wallace/Thurmond(15.9%)
Others: 0.8%
I do happen to agree. There is a reason that Eugene McCarthy runs well in the South in spite of no southerner being on his ticket. The American South has for seventy years cared about ethics and family values. Nelson Rockefeller saw his presidential aspirations dim when he divorced one woman and quickly married another.
2  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: NJ Gov 2017: Who's the best NJ Republican to keep the governorship? on: February 15, 2016, 11:37:45 pm
^ And we can only hope Walker, too.
A perfect world for me would include Governor Guadango in New Jersey in two thousand and eighteen and Scott Walker reelected in Wisconsin in two thousand and eighteen. People not familiar with politics in America after reading that sentence need to know there are no term limits for governors in Wisconsin. There are in New Jersey. There are not any term limits for governors in New York. I want for Scott Walker/Rebecca Kleefisch to show us what Ronald Reagan/George HW Bush nineteen hundred and eighty eight would have looked like but in Wisconsin and thirty years later. Ronald Reagan wasn't a candidate for President of the United States in nineteen hundred and eighty eight for one reason. Because he was constitutionally disqualified. Guadango running in New Jersey will be like asking New Jersey voters for a Truman beats Dewey seventy years later. Except for the fact that Harry Truman is a Democrat. I was really impressed by the performance of Kim Guadango in the 2013 lieutenant governor debate. It was clear that her opponent was running for public office for the first time. Mario Cuomo the great governor of New York in nineteen hundred and ninety five was like a child playing with friends outside at night. He is the one that had to come in early. Governor Walker and lieutenant governor Kleefisch have already  proved the pundits wrong more than once. Scott Walker is a very composed man. He won Wisconsin three times in four years. If I were him I would go for the third term no matter who the President of the United States is.
All of that to say the pundits will say that Republicans in two thousand and eighteen and two thousand and seventeen by the way will have better chances at electoral success if a Democrat is President. The money for a third make that fourth campaign for governor of Wisconsin on the part of governor Walker is money in my opinion well spent. To clarify the fourth election campaign would be two thousand and eighteen; Walker survived a recall vote statewide in Wisconsin in 2012. Those pundits like weathermen and women. Enough said. Back to New York in nineteen hundred and ninety four I am no fan normally of a young and unqualified man for public office. Yes Bob Dole and Rudy Giuliani have been on opposite ends of the fence before. I side with Giuliani on nineteen hundred and ninety four. George Pataki was only a state senator who ousted a three term incumbent governor of New York. Rudy Giuliani was mayor of New York City in nineteen hundred and ninety four and Bob Dole senate minority leader. The very base of the Democratic party in New York is New York City. Rudy Giuliani that year called out George Pataki while simultaneously endorsing Democrat Mario Cuomo. I think the battle of American politics is once you have power holding onto it. It pits some independent minded people into bitter divides. George Pataki's wife was bitter at Rudy Giuliani for years. She probably still is. So New Jersey and Wisconsin in a couple of years will be a dynamic opportunity for the fight in American politics to hold onto power to be put on display.
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / Re: Did Lyndon Johnson Underperform in 1964? on: December 28, 2015, 11:46:33 pm
It took me a while to realize that American politics is pretty much all the same. I can only speak to myself but I think I risk knowing results of elections better than I know the words written down in the Bible. I think that Lyndon Johnson underperformed in 1964. It is not surprising that he did given the results of elections 1952 and 1956 and 1960. Lyndon Johnson was always one of the most nationally unelectable Democrats in his day. I would have been fascinated to know if Lyndon Johnson would have pulled out another election win in 1968. Considering the thirty sixth President was going on his conviction and best judgment when he announced he would not seek a second full term in March 1968 what would have been equally interesting as a President Johnson the Democrat nominee for President in 1968 is a case where both Lyndon Johnson and Robert Kennedy were alive on election day in November 1968.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Post random maps here on: November 11, 2015, 08:40:21 pm
Different 1964 election and onward John Kennedy (1961-1963)
Lyndon Johnson (1963-1965)
Robert Kennedy (1965-1969)
Barry Goldwater (1969-1973)
Ted Kennedy (1973 - present) 1972 election Senator Ted Kennedy versus President Barry Goldwater
Barry Goldwater: 244 Ted Kennedy: 294 270 to win
5  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / McCain/Bloomberg vs. Obama/Schweitzer on: June 17, 2008, 04:13:00 pm
Would Bloomberg accept the position? Discuss with maps.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Johnson/Humphrey vs. Reagan/Laxalt vs. Wallace/LeMay on: June 17, 2008, 06:55:00 am
This thread needs to be deleted. Interesting enough the "delete thread" button has apparently disappeared into thin air.
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Lyndon Johnson/John Kennedy vs. Richard Nixon/Nelson Rockefeller-1960 on: June 16, 2008, 08:24:34 pm
John Kennedy decides to seek the vice presidency again in 1960 instead of the presidency. Incumbent Speaker of the House, Lyndon Johnson wins the democratic nomination on the first ballot at the DNC. He selects John Kennedy as his running mate.

On the republican side, Vice President Richard Nixon wins the Republican Nomination as he did in real life. Nixon convinces Rockefeller to join his ticket.

Both parties are fully united behind their candidates.

Discuss with maps.
8  General Discussion / History / Wallace instead of Truman on: June 12, 2008, 07:01:38 pm
In 1944, had Roosevelt kept Wallace as his running mate instead of dropping him and picking Truman, how do you think Roosevelt would do? Woould it hurt him so badly that he looses, what would happen?

See my thread in post election section of this forum for a Roosevelt/Wallace in 1944 scenario.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Roosevelt/Wallace vs. Dewey/Bricker vs. Russell/Wright-1944 on: June 12, 2008, 04:35:16 pm
It is 1944.

Every event non campaign related happened the same way that it did in real life.

President Roosevelt wins the nomination overwelmingly on the first ballot at the DNC. The vice presidential nomination is where the drama comes in. Harry Truman is a candidate for the democratic vice presidential nomination for that year. The incumbent Henry Wallace is also a candidate for the renomination as vice president and many other minor candidates. On the first ballot for the vice presidential nomination, there is no winner, but it is very close with a narrow Wallace lead. On the second ballot, Henry Wallace is renominated very narrowly as the vice presidential nominee. The democratic party is left split after the Wallace renomination. Many southerners and southern delegates alike are not pleased with the Wallace renomination. They are so unpleased, that they march out of the convention. They form there own party and hold  their own convention in Birmingham, Alabama. Richard Russel is nominated unamiously on the first ballot. He selects Fielding Wright as his running mate and Wright is nominated without any challenge.

On the republican side, nothing changes from what happened in real life.

Discuss with maps.

10  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / California on: June 11, 2008, 06:16:57 pm
could we auctually have a chance at this state this year. with the latino vote having favored Clinton and a good part of them not feeling very comfortable with Obama and willing to support McCain. How close could this state be?
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Alternative Elections / Giuliani vs. Clinton vs. Bloomberg-2008 on: June 11, 2008, 11:08:40 am
Lets say that the momentum that Giuliani and Clinton had before the primaries began lasts and Clinton and Giuliani clinch the nominations by the end of Super Tuesday.

Clinton is supported by all of the democrats who had been challenging her for the democratic nomination.

Giuliani is supported by all of the republicans who had been challenging him except for Ron Paul.

At the democratic convention, Hillary Clinton is nominated unamiously on the first ballot and she selects goverenor of Indiana, Evan Bayh, as her running mate. The party is fully united behind the ticket.

Mike Bloomberg announces his candidacy for the presidency as an independent. He selects Chuck Hagel as his running mate.

At the republican convention, Rudy Giuliani is nominated unamiously on the first ballot and he selects South Carolina Goverenor Mark Sanford as his running mate. The party is fully united behind the ticket.


The tickets are:

Hillary Clinton/Evan Bayh
Rudy Giuliani/Mark Sanford
Mike Bloomberg/Chuck Hagel

(I know that the Bloomberg running mate is a little far fetched, but go with it.)

12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Nixon/Scott vs. Kennedy/Johnson-1960 on: June 10, 2008, 03:31:19 pm
Richard Nixon/Hugh Scott
John Kennedy/Lyndon Johnson
13  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: pennsylvania or new hampshire? on: June 10, 2008, 03:23:57 pm
very difficult. I refuse to call it either way.
14  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Which of these western states will Obama do the best in? on: June 10, 2008, 09:16:43 am
New Mexico.
15  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Which of these Southern states will Obama do the best in? on: June 09, 2008, 11:51:16 am
South Carolina.
16  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Ultimate Prediction Thread on: June 08, 2008, 10:00:07 pm

McCain/Romney: 279 electoral votes
Obama/Webb: 259 electoral votes
270 needed to win
17  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: Rasmussen: 30% of Voters Could Change Their Mind Between Now and Election Day on: June 08, 2008, 09:20:33 pm
The message I get from these details is that McCain, even though the Republicans have held the White House since January, 2001, and conditions are not condusive to a Republican winning the White House this year, should not be counted out.  
that is right, do not count us out yet.
18  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: would cheney have won the gop nomination? on: June 08, 2008, 06:02:34 pm
yes. the republican party is not about to turn away an incumbent president or vice president from the nomination, that is just the way that we are. Look at Ford in 1976 or Bush in 1992.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / U.S. Presidential Election Results / What if-1968 Democratic National Convention on: June 08, 2008, 06:00:03 pm
What if Bobby leaves the ballroom through the way that he was supposed to after the California primary, and he is never shot up until the convention. Bobby and Humphrey have a debate, and it goes to Kennedy's favor.

How does the vote at the convention go? Can kennedy pull it out against humphrey?
20  Election Archive / 2008 Elections / Re: will obama crack 90% in dc on: June 08, 2008, 04:16:19 pm
21  General Discussion / History / Re: Which President's reputation has changed the most? on: June 08, 2008, 04:15:02 pm

As the vietnam war and the problems in the 1960's have faded in the people's memories, Johnson has been seen as a better and more efective President that he truly was.
22  General Politics / Book Reviews and Discussion / The Memoirs of Richard Nixon Volume 1 (Warner Books Edition) on: June 08, 2008, 10:54:20 am
I love this book. It gives real detail about the elections that he ran in.

What do you all think of this book? What are some of your favorite sections? What did you learn that you did not know before?
23  General Discussion / History / Presidential Comparison 5 on: June 07, 2008, 03:44:58 pm
I do not care for Nixon. I do not think that either of these people were very good. But, because of his foreign relations, I say Nixon.

What about you? Who do you think as a better President of these two and whY?
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Alternative Elections / Other 2008 on: June 07, 2008, 03:05:07 pm
The 22nd ammendment is changed in early 2006, with a GOP congress,  after approval by the two thirds of the  state houses of representatives. The surge is approved by congress early in May of 2006 and the war begins to improve. With less casulaties and improvement in relations. Though the economy is still not very good. Come November, the republicans maintain controll of congress by the thinnest of margins. With George Allen, and Jim Talent winning reelection in their senate seats.

The surge continues to show improvements on the war front throughout 2007. The economy is leaning towards a recession but is not there yet.

Though Bill Clinton could run for reelection in 2008 due to the changing of the 22nd ammendment, he chooses not to run again. He endorses his wife for President. Hillary Clinton announces her candidacy late in 2008. Joe Biden, John Edwards, Barack Obama, and Dennis Kucinich join her in announcing their candidacy for the democratic nomination.

On the republican side, incumbent President George W. Bush announces that despite the bad economy, he will be a candidate for reelection. However, after a heart attack in late November of 2007, Vice President Dick Cheney announces that he will not be a candidate for reelection in 2008. George W. Bush is left with a choice of a running mate. Bush is not challenged for renomination, though many  republicans thought of doing so. Bush goes to the convention in Minnesota. He is renominated unamiously on the first ballot at the GOP convention. Bush thanks the vice president for his service to the country and Bush selects former Massachussetts Goverenor Mitt Romney as his running mate. Romney brings economic strength to the ticket. The party is fully united behind the Bush/Romney ticket. Just as a side note, Dick Cheney announces that he will remain vice president until his term is out.

On the democratic side, Dennis Kucinich drops out of the race shortly after the Iowa and New Hampshire contests. Joe Biden also calls it quits. The race goes about the same way that it did except for the fact that John Edwards stays on through Super Tuesday. He wins the Oklahoma contest. The primaries after Super Tuesday are split between Clinton and Obama. However, on June 3rd, Obama comes out on top. Clinton does not conceed that night. But, that Saturday she does conceed. At the democratic convention, Barack Obama is nominated unamiously on the first ballot at the DNC. Obama selects Bill Richardson as his running mate. The democratic party is fully united behind the ticket.

At this time, the surge is continuing to show improvement in the war and the economy is weak.

Discuss. Use maps, if you wish.

Just as a reminder, the tickets are:

Barack Obama/Bill Richardson
George W. Bush/Mitt Romney

25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / different 1968 on: June 06, 2008, 03:10:46 pm
Bobby Kennedy wins the California primary and he leaves through the kitchen pantry. He is shot but, only in the hip, a bunch of other shots ring out and many of them miss the senator. Kennedy is admitted to the hospital, but survives the attempted assassaination.

Kennedy has a debate with Hubert Humphrey before the convention and he uses the Kennedy charm in the debate. Kennedy pulls out a squeaker of a victory on the first ballot at the DNC mostly thanks to party leaders. Kennedy accepts an anti war platform. Humphrey endorses Kennedy for President, as does McCarthy. Kennedy selects Daniel Moore of North Carolina as his running mate. The party is united behind Kennedy.

On the republican side, Nixon pulls a small victory on the first ballot at the RNC in Florida. Nixon selects asks his former rival, Nelson Rockefeller to be his running mate. To the surprise of the Nixon aides and Nixon himself, Rockefeller accepts the position. The party is united behind this ticket.

George Wallace decides not to seek the presidency and he endorses Kennedy.

The tickets are:

Robert Kennedy/Daniel Moore
Richard Nixon/Nelson Rockefeller

Discuss. Use maps, if you wish.
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