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8851  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: 2 students expelled from South Carolina school for kissing on the bus on: January 31, 2008, 10:41:23 am
Then the law is an ass, my man, the law is an ass.

Seriously though your defense of "Its the law!", "Its the law!" is rather tiresome and sickening; under MODU logic then escaping slaves in the 1850s south should have held "responisible for their actions". Whatever that means. I know that is an extreme example; but there are good rules and there are bad rules. This is a clear example of the latter.

*sigh*  "... your defense of ..."  I never said the laws/rules cannot/should not be changed.  I just seem to have to constantly remind the viper pit on here from time to time that people are punished because there is a law/rule in place.  They make it sound like these things are happening for no reason.  Well, there is a reason.  They broke the law/rule.  Yes, people are suppose to be responsible for their actions, and if their actions result in punishment, they have no one to blame but themselves.  If you've got a problem with that, go cry somewhere else.  It's not my job (or the government) to babysit you.  You (both you and people in general) are an "adult," so act like one.  So forgive me and get over yourself.

Really? I would think enacting such silly laws is the epitome of some institution trying to act like a babysitter here.

Looking up www.dumblaws.com and going under Virginia I find there are laws prohibiting (or at least *were* - I think that site is a bit out of date, but that is irrelevant here) :
- Sex; except within marriage and with the Missionary position (and then only with the lights off)
- Trick or Treat during Halloween
- Tickling Women.
- Spitting on the Sidewalk

Of course whenever these laws are broken (do kids go trick+treating in Virginia, I wouldn't know?) the arguement you seem to be suggesting is that these kids should obey these laws as you don't think the government babysit them. What?

And none of these or any more absurd than the above.
8852  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: My Problem on: January 31, 2008, 10:29:19 am
As a foreigner I can tell you that the perception over here is that since the 80s the Ds have moved increasingly to the centre and are now just "Republicans lite".

But you should ignore everything the MSM says here and over there too; it clutters up too much. I don't really see either potential nominee as much different than the previous ones.
8853  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Reducing the Number of Abortions on: January 31, 2008, 10:17:46 am
None of them, obviously.

I would quite interested to see figures on abortion matched up to a)Economic Growth and b)Unemployment.

Why would pro-choicers want to reduce the numbre of abortions? If the fetus is just a parasitinc clump of cells, why should we care about whether they are aborted or not? Because they are needed to pay for the Social Security shortfall?

Because no-one (sane) actually considers an Abortion a good thing. Many women find it a traumatic experience for one thing and many more regret it. And of course then there is the end of a potential life.

The problem is the alternative, banning Abortion, would lead to worse outcomes for everyone involved except perhaps the clothes hanger industry.
8854  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: 2 students expelled from South Carolina school for kissing on the bus on: January 31, 2008, 10:00:47 am

From the article:  "Goyner ... said he knows he was breaking a rule, but was shocked by the response from school officials."

If you break the rules, you suffer the consequences.  However, I think being expelled for the rest of the academic year is a bit extreme, especially when fighting probably just gets you two weeks suspension.

Then the law is an ass, my man, the law is an ass.

Seriously though your defense of "Its the law!", "Its the law!" is rather tiresome and sickening; under MODU logic then escaping slaves in the 1850s south should have held "responisible for their actions". Whatever that means. I know that is an extreme example; but there are good rules and there are bad rules. This is a clear example of the latter.
8855  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Ireland General Discussion on: January 31, 2008, 09:55:13 am
Actually, I wouldn't be too sure of that if I was you. Unless something changes, the Government position on this is going to be woefully abstract (isn't the EU marvellous; yes vote=good for democracy, human rights, etc.) and bare on detail.

Ehh.. That's what they did in Nice II and won (except add in "OMG THINK OF TEH POLES!!1111 etc). During Nice I they tried all that because one always got the impression they couldn't be arsed. I remember seeing alot more "No" signs than "yes" signs and I live in one of the few constituencies which voted "yes" the first time around...  (and will do so again for the Lisbon Treaty; if it doesn't then you can be sure that the treaty failed and by quite a margin too.)

In order to win this thing, they need to maximise turnout; put the kooks leading the various no campaigns front and centre to shoot them down; force FG and Labour to stand shoulder to shoulder and loudly make their case; and comprehensively and genuinely explain the significant changes the treaty makes and the consequences of a no vote.

Not hard - in referendums the Irish people seem to like grand fuzzy abstractions and most of those kooks quite like their time in the spotlight.

For the No campaign they should try and gain some strategy (unusual for these types) though with groups like libertas, etc(?) we might finally get some real functioning opposition on this. Anti-EU sentiment seems to vary alot around the country so their best strategy is concentrate on such areas or areas with anti-establishment tendencies such as Donegal, The Midlands and West Dublin.

So far, they've already decided not to hold the vote on the same day as the "children's rights" referendum (something that would generate turnout) - so this will probably be the only thing on the ballot.

That Children's rights referendum sounds like one of those 25% turnout dealies to me (like the Bail referendum)...

They have sought to marginalise the kooks instead of putting them up on a platform where people can hear the same tired arguments against that should be relatievly easy to dismiss out of hand.

1973 Anti-EU proproganda leaflet: "Joining the EU will only lower the prices of luxury goods, such as Washing Machines, Fridges and Cars"....

Nothing has changed.

They continue to bicker with the opposition who themselves will be hesitant to commit unless they see victory as very likely.
And their statements to date have been too wishy washy, without dealing with detail.

Yes. But I doubt this effect the campaign much.

My gut feeling today, is that unless at least some of the above changes (and bearing in mind the already discussed unpopular Taoiseach and issues re: health, crime and the economy), the people will reject the Treaty (or at least have it a fairly close run thing).

Disagree. But it will be closer than Nice II was and "no" will win some constituencies (the Two Donegal ones and Dublin South west in particular) If that means anything..
8856  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Ireland General Discussion on: January 31, 2008, 07:35:30 am
But the nature of their not caring is changing, I think (if that makes sense). Through he election, the public were willing to accept that maybe Bertie did wrong, but that his circumstances were difficult, his family was breaking up, he cried to Dobbo, and he'd done all right in government so they cut him some slack.

Me Agrees.

Remember what I said about ignoring media coverage? And this is me, polly junkie here.

Today, while I think the people aren't particularly angry about the ongoing mess, I do think they're now completely fed up with this being constantly in the spotlight; Ahern's excuses no longer offer a great deal of cover - his credibility can't withstand the continuing barage of stories that have come out. Alone it may not be enough, but compound it with woes about the health service; rising crime rates; and an economic downturn - and the public's willingness to listen wanes quite a bit.

Yes; it is getting rather boring isn't it? But then again so is the whole Meeja "Politics as the Circus" act.

I think they're now ready and willing to punish the government and I think they may very well take the opportunity of the referendum on the EU Reform Treaty to do that.

I hope so. As the government is not going to make the same mistake as in Nice I (the "Ah, it be grand" mistake) something is needed to get a strong NO vote out. And no the likes of Youth Defense, Sinn Fein and Anthony Coughlan (who is this guy?) are not going to get the No vote out.
8857  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Ireland General Discussion on: January 31, 2008, 06:22:26 am
He'll be gone by the general - but you can bet your bottom dollar that should he still be at the helm, it will have an effect on Local and European elections as well as the referenda on the Reform treaty and "children's rights".

Ah yes I forgot about *that*.

But still about this whole Ahern mess, I think you said it best: "The people have spoken, they don't care". (And 36% is roughly what FF was at before the election campaign last year...)
8858  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Belief-O-Matic on: January 31, 2008, 05:58:10 am
Some of those questions are full of dumb.. (Most were NOTA for me.. applying Maybe Logic.)

Q1-4: Answered NOTA; how the F would I know.
Q5: Selected Option #5. But #6 would be equally accurate.
Q6: NA; Depends on whether you mean that in a metaphorical sense or not.
Q7-Q10: Picked the "None" option.
Q11: Necessary o\c
Q12: Last Option only. Though I would not disagree with #3 or #6.
Q13: NA
Q14: Disagree o\c
Q15-16: Disagree. Put these on High
Q17-18: Agree. Put these on High
Q19-20: Disagree.

My Results:
1.    Secular Humanism  (100%)
2.    Unitarian Universalism (91%)
3.    Liberal Quakers (87%)
4.    Neo-Pagan (80%)
5.    Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (80%)

Last: Jehovah's Witnesses, then Roman Catholics (yay!)
8859  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Ireland General Discussion on: January 31, 2008, 05:48:43 am
Listening to RTE Radio 1 reminded me of how much and why I've been trying to avoid the mainstream coverage of Irish politics since the election...

Well, given where the numbers are and that Ahern is far from in the clear

He'll be gone by the next election. So it doesn't matter.

that the economy is slowing very quickly (esp. construction) and we're looking at another year with a significant fall in house prices

True. But the next election isn't until 2012.

I'll not say it's impossible for FG (even with gormless Enda at the helm) to take a poll lead sometime this year or next.

Perhaps. But the next election is yadda, yadda, yadda..

Nov 1982 General - heady days for FG:
Fianna Fáil 45.2% (75 seats)
Fine Gael 39.2% (70 seats)
Labour 9.4% (16 seats)
Workers Party 3.3% (2 seats)
Others 2.9% (3 seats)

FF got less votes (%) in 2007 than in Nov1982.. and got more seats. Which goes to show how 1) powerful FF is and was especially before the rise of "cynicism" and 2) that PR-STV isn't really that proportional; nowadays the minor parties skew the results while back then there was only the North Korea Fan Club (WP) and Jim Kemmy.
8860  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Frankfurt Example on: January 31, 2008, 05:16:52 am

I'll write an explanation later.
8861  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Could you generally recognize a post of the preceding member...? on: January 30, 2008, 09:48:22 am
Usually, Depending on what he talks about - especially obvious: New England Patriots, The troops and Nancy Pelosi.
8862  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of the preceding signuture part 2? on: January 30, 2008, 08:26:21 am
Amusing quotes. And I think we all had enough of Debs.
8863  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Best Post(s) of the Preceding Forummer on: January 30, 2008, 08:11:50 am
From what I could find..

1) Explain why Alsace and Bretagne voted in favour of the EU constitution in 2005 and relate that to the strength of the MRP in those regions.

2) What is the common name used to refer to the area around Paris that elects/elected PCF deputies?

3) Is Georges Marchais funny?

Add to that...

4) Is Georges Marchais the cause of the world's problems today?
8864  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: opinion of Jean-Paul Sartre on: January 30, 2008, 07:58:12 am
Neither o\c - occasionally he could be an FF (opposition to French Imperalism in Algeria and De Gaulle) and at other times a complete idiot (his sympathy towards Maoism for example).
8865  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Ireland General Discussion on: January 29, 2008, 08:16:33 am
Polls are at this point are just so irrelevant.. except going to show on how nearly impossible it is for FG to surpass FF in sheer numbers, ever. (32% in a GE would FGs best performance since 1982 btw)

Dissapointed (but not surprised) at the Lisbon Treaty numbers.
8866  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Describe a Typical Post by the Preceding Poster on: January 29, 2008, 08:10:37 am
This map of the French Far right shows without a doubt that the Socialist Party dominate areas full of lazy idiots and students.
8867  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: grade the quality of the preceding atlasian's postings... on: January 29, 2008, 08:08:06 am
8868  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What is the most extreme position of the preceding poster? on: January 29, 2008, 08:01:26 am
Supporting De Gaulle and Sarkozy.
8869  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Weather Channel founder denounces Global Warming on: January 29, 2008, 07:45:42 am
Global warming is, by definition, neither a scam or a myth.

A lot of it is, however, pure hype.

There is a lot that we don't know.  We trust the models, which are incomplete in their data, too much.  We over emphasize the impact of carbon dioxide while under emphasizing the impact of changes in solar intensity.

What I do not like is the black/white division in the AGW debate. 

No, we don't not have all of the information because we're simply missing the information that debunks the warming theory, like conservatives would have you think.

No, it's not just as simple as "yeah.. the climate changes.. it's changed before, it'll change again...blah blah blah, I'm an idiot."

And yes, Al Gore knows a hell of a lot more about the issue than Rush Limbaugh.  Al Gore truly believes in it and is passionate about it.  Rush Limbaugh simply exists to oppose Al Gore.  Maybe Rush Limbaugh should grow a brain and some balls and actually start thinking things up for himself rather than just reacting to the world like a leech on a salt block.

Already putting this in my list of "Best posts in the history of the forum".
8870  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Is the Preceding Poster a FF or a HP? on: January 28, 2008, 04:07:07 pm
Neither (or rather both?) but he amuses greatly.
8871  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Who would the preceding posters have voted for in the past 5 French election on: January 28, 2008, 04:06:26 pm
2007: R1: Sarko, R2: Sarko

2002: R1: Mamere (??) R2: Chirac

1995: R1: Balladur R2: Chirac

1988: R1: Barre R2: Chirac

1981: R1: Garaud(No idea who he is really but...) R2: D'Estaing
8872  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: The all-purpose religious affiliation poll! on: January 28, 2008, 01:40:55 pm
Alcon...next time can't you split agnostic and atheist up? To me, the difference between them is pretty big.


As for me - Somewhere between a Deist and an Agnostic.
8873  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Film vs. Film on: January 28, 2008, 01:37:08 pm

Pulp Fiction or Whatever Gully Foyle's favorite movie is

Define "Favourite".

Hotel Rwanda. Though both were pretty mediorce imo; pretty forgettable experiences. Which is tough for such films.

Once Upon a time in the West vs Unforgiven.
8874  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Who would win in an election between the two previous posters in MN-5? on: January 28, 2008, 08:23:55 am
8875  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What is the stupidest thing the preceding poster has ever said? on: January 27, 2008, 03:43:29 pm
His repeated responses to BRTDs asinities; when we all know the result.
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