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76  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump slams former US Intelligence leaders as political hacks on: November 11, 2017, 09:27:54 pm
Still waiting on that Iraq WMD.

If the Bush administration had listened to the CIA, the case for the war would have been weaker.

https://news.vice.com/article/the-cia-just-declassified-the-document-that-supposedly-justified-the-iraq-invasion
77  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2018 Senatorial Election Polls / Re: AL-Big League/Gravis: Moore +2 on: November 11, 2017, 09:18:55 pm
Sure, Moore is a phony. Doug Jones says he believes in science on his website, but also affordable health care. Too controversial for Alabama?
78  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: How long can the republicans not make plays to minorities before they can't win? on: November 11, 2017, 09:12:26 pm
What happened to politics based off on ideas? Are future voters going to do a DNA test to see what party they should vote for? What about whats good for the country? What about patriotism? God Im old.
79  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Gwinnett County, Georgia on: November 11, 2017, 09:06:56 pm
Plenty of immigrants support the right Trump, who was cast as anti-Hispanic, got 29% of the Hispanic vote. 17% of black men voted for Gillespie in a bad GOP year! Its just a matter of convincing folks to vote for you. Persuasion is destiny.
80  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: "Peace through strength".. on: November 10, 2017, 04:19:03 am
^ ^ ^

Both peace through strength and strength through peace are valid concepts. Hence why I support the US-led international order. However, we must do a better job at demonstrating attractive values at home. In many ways the 1980s were a dividend for the 1960s.
81  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Unpopular/Bad Opinions on: November 10, 2017, 04:14:58 am
Two more of mine:

-Family Guy is the crowning achievement in entire medium of television.
-I love Jesus Christ.
82  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How would Bernie react if he found out about the "My King is alive" meme? on: November 10, 2017, 03:50:03 am
I have to think he's encountered too many people as a politician, and now a nationally known one, to have any kind of strong reaction. He would be indifferent.
83  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: "Strong and Stable" vs "Back To Basics" on: November 10, 2017, 03:39:41 am
The best Christina Aguilera album.
84  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Monarchy on: November 10, 2017, 03:38:08 am
I don't like heridatary monarchies. I know it's considered completely old hat nowadays to stand behind the basic principles of the Enlightenment, but I think all persons are born equal. Besides I always feel there is something ghoulish in how we these people are born into a role they have no choice over.
85  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Putin equates Olympic disqualifcations to U.S meddling in Russian elections on: November 10, 2017, 02:51:20 am
Putin likes to use Olympics as his marker for military attacks. At the 2008 Olympics, he had the Ossetians provoke Georgia into an attack & provided the pretext for Russian invasion. At the 2014 Sochi Olympics, right after they ended he annexed Crimea & invaded eastern Ukraine soon after. Around the 2016 Olympics was the height of his election meddling. A strange habit, but apprehensive about all Olympics now.
86  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2018 Senatorial Election Polls / Re: CA-USC/LA Times: Feinstein +27 over de Leon on: November 09, 2017, 05:08:05 pm
It's going to be close. Go Feinstein! She has to be careful not to make any mistakes. I'm sure De Leon has some skeletons in his closet.
87  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Alabama Megathread: Moore leading Jones on: November 09, 2017, 02:07:28 pm
Middle America already proved how misogynistic it was last year, so a bunch of Christians electing a child rapist is really nothing remarkable.

Alleged molester, not rapist.

It's statutory rape. Anthony Weiner is in an orange jumpsuit for less.
88  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Alabama Megathread: Moore leading Jones on: November 09, 2017, 01:15:30 pm
Middle America already proved how misogynistic it was last year, so a bunch of Christians electing a child rapist is really nothing remarkable.
89  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: How do you feel about Ralph Northam's victory? on: November 08, 2017, 10:52:00 pm
It was important for the Democratic psyche that they win something. I mean, nationally. I was getting worried about the prospective mental health of some of my fellow partisans if they had lost again.
90  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Phil Murphy 2020? on: November 08, 2017, 10:47:01 pm
Hillary Clinton never worked at Goldman yet Edward Snowden tweet that she was the bank anyway. If you're going to be tarred like that regardless of what you do, why not run the real deal and put up an actual Goldman guy? This Murphy's politics are good enough - if he's a good governor, I don't see why not. Besides, he's a man, so he'll be viewed more charitably. The only pitfall is that it's hard to be governor of New Jersey without being corrupt. It's like part of the job description. You could put Jeremy Corbyn in there and he'd probably come out with a bunch of corruption scandals. You could put Ralph Nader in there and he'd probably be forced into some unethical payoff. So it remains to be seen if Murphy can avoid the curse of the New Jersey governor.
91  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump thanks his "DEPLORABLES" in a Tweet for his MASSIVE win last year on: November 08, 2017, 10:38:09 pm
Yes, he should be grateful for all 305 "deplorables" who put him into office. Maybe he should invite them to the White House.
92  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Johnstown Never Believed Trump Would Help. They Still Love Him Anyway. on: November 08, 2017, 10:37:21 pm
1966 was a self-correction election, it's that simple. The massive majorities from 1964 were artificial and could not be sustained.
93  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The New and Improved Sam Spade Good Post Gallery. on: November 08, 2017, 10:35:33 pm
^^^

It feels excessive to post another post by the same poster on [roughly] the same topic here, but...

American liberals are truly awful.

It's disorienting to read ostensibly left-leaning people sh**tting on coal miners for not getting on their bike and looking for work as if they're Norman Tebbit.  

It's even more disorienting to see maroon avatars only come out of the woodwork when the topic is about the plight of poor white men.

There are pretty of maroon avatars that criticise conservatives about the plight of poor minority groups across the country, it's only the fact that now maroon avatars have to criticise Thatcherite neo-liberals on the plight of the rural white poor.

I don't think IceSpear is even cognizant of the motivation behind our position on this issue or why we so much detest his position. He genuinely sees himself as being on the true left side which, from his perspective, I can somewhat understand. But he's mistaken though.

IceSpear is highlighting and strongly rebuking what he perceives as the rampant racism among the White working-class that motivate them to vote for right-wing, racist politicians like Donald Trump due to cultural/racial grievances. He's not entirely incorrect on this issue. There is a significant element of racism that motivates many within the White working-class. IceSpear is also correct in noting the structural inequalities of White privilege and how even the White poor have particular (relative) benefits when compared to, for example, the African American poor.

However, what IceSpear gets wrong is that he (a) is basing his understanding of White working-class motivations on voting results, which isn't an accurate depiction of this demographic group since it has low turnout levels due to alienation among large swaths of these Americans. Bigots are simply more motivated to vote than non-bigots, especially when those non-bigots simply see both parties as corrupt and voting pointless since it won't help their families. He also seems to (it's implied in his posts) believe that (b) the White working-class is more bigoted than other Whites in America, which is simply not true based on Psychological studies. IceSpear also assumes that (c) White privilege provides the White poor and working-classes with some substantially greater position over minorities in the same socioeconomic position, which allows him to disparage them in a way that he would never when discussing minorities. And he also seems to believe that (d) those of us on the Left are supporting White privilege by focusing on White working-class persons.

Let me tell you that we aren't focusing on the White working-class due to them being White. We're doing it because we notice the exceptional hostility directed towards these folks and we perceive them as a disempowered, disadvantaged group being attacked by a more powerful, wealthier group. We prioritize class-based issues since that's the primary center of power in our society - class status. Race, gender, sexuality, and so on are unquestionably important, but it's class that's the most significant of these intersectional systems of power. That's not to downplay the importance of things like institutional racism since they need to be addressed immediately, but we want to see the focus placed on all of the working class when discussing economic issues and the plight of the poor and working class. Dividing up the working class, whether through White racism or attacks upon Whites, isn't going to unify us along class lines against the mutual enemy of all workers, the ones who benefit from division - the upper class. So long as the workers remain divided, they're easy to exploit.
94  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Awaiting Trump's coal comeback, miners reject retraining on: November 08, 2017, 07:55:27 pm
Al has had a particular interest in coal miners since he joined the forum well over a decade ago. At that time he had a D-WV avatar and was still realpolitik. I don't think he's trying to imply that it's some sort of either-or going on between white coal miners and working class people of color, even if that seems to be the frame in which American partisan politics has developed. Now, sometime several years later he started getting off on insulting folks, which I have been on the receiving end of myself, and it's not a trait of his that I find elevates his esteem, either.
95  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Johnstown Never Believed Trump Would Help. They Still Love Him Anyway. on: November 08, 2017, 06:49:33 pm
Article 15,862,171,586 on how Trump supporters are retarded. Journalist goes to Johnstown. "I don't trust you," local guy says. Journalists #Persists. Finally, he discovers the holy grail--the N word has emerged from the mouth of the locals. His job is done.
96  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: What are conservative arguments for universal healthcare? on: November 08, 2017, 04:35:18 pm
No one who advocates for universal healthcare is a conservative. Period.
Ironically, you're not a conservative. You're a classical liberal (you aren't actually, in reality you're more of an economic nihilist with insincerely held religious beliefs as a mask of your bigotry) who has no actual understanding as to what conservatism means.

Conservativism is a cheap word for the right's pre-Trump emotional politics. Conservatism between Reagan and Trump degenerated into a lifestyle, not an ideology.

Is there any evidence that the poster you quoted is a bigot?

People call me and Sanchez bigots without any evidence all the time.

Except the part where you said you wanted to nuke two entire countries. Then when called on it, you basically admitted, 'yeah, I'm a bad person.' But now you go and try to bash other people over the head with "if America wasn't 12% black health care, evil bigot." Hypocrite.

I never bashed people for being bigots. I merely pointed out that they were.

They are far less bigoted than you are.

Even Hitler was less bigoted than me, according to you, so I don't really see a reason to dispute your claim.

You said that Japan and South Korea deserve to be nuked. That obviously includes babies and children, who could not have possibly done anything to merit the award, other than being born of the wrong heritage. What is one supposed to make of that?
97  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: What are conservative arguments for universal healthcare? on: November 08, 2017, 04:32:26 pm
No one who advocates for universal healthcare is a conservative. Period.
Ironically, you're not a conservative. You're a classical liberal (you aren't actually, in reality you're more of an economic nihilist with insincerely held religious beliefs as a mask of your bigotry) who has no actual understanding as to what conservatism means.

Conservativism is a cheap word for the right's pre-Trump emotional politics. Conservatism between Reagan and Trump degenerated into a lifestyle, not an ideology.

Is there any evidence that the poster you quoted is a bigot?

People call me and Sanchez bigots without any evidence all the time.

Except the part where you said you wanted to nuke two entire countries. Then when called on it, you basically admitted, 'yeah, I'm a bad person.' But now you go and try to bash other people over the head with "if America wasn't 12% black health care, evil bigot." Hypocrite.

I never bashed people for being bigots. I merely pointed out that they were.

They are far less bigoted than you are.
98  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: What are conservative arguments for universal healthcare? on: November 08, 2017, 04:17:39 pm
No one who advocates for universal healthcare is a conservative. Period.
Ironically, you're not a conservative. You're a classical liberal (you aren't actually, in reality you're more of an economic nihilist with insincerely held religious beliefs as a mask of your bigotry) who has no actual understanding as to what conservatism means.

Conservativism is a cheap word for the right's pre-Trump emotional politics. Conservatism between Reagan and Trump degenerated into a lifestyle, not an ideology.

Is there any evidence that the poster you quoted is a bigot?

People call me and Sanchez bigots without any evidence all the time.

Except the part where you said you wanted to nuke two entire countries. Then when called on it, you basically admitted, 'yeah, I'm a bad person.' But now you go and try to bash other people over the head with "if America wasn't 12% black health care, evil bigot." Hypocrite.
99  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: VA-GOV 2017: It's a Wave (GE: Nov 7th - Thread #2) on: November 08, 2017, 01:10:50 am
A close reading of the results in Virginia-Gov suggest that the Northam route is not the path forward for national Democrats. While it's true Northam won by a larger margin than Terry McAuliffe, more counties actually swung Republican. This is extremely unusual when the statewide margin is swinging Democratic. Northam was able to win by more than McAuliffe because he racked up big margins in NoVa and in urban areas, like Hillary Clinton.

However, the 2016 election proved that racking up big margins in areas like NoVa do not win you enough states, Congressional districts, or Senate seats nationally. The rural vote remains crucial due to the distribution of constituencies in American politics. Most states do not have nearly two dozen state Assembly seats in semi-urban areas like Prince William county or the Richmond suburbs to win. In order to win the state legislature in most states, you must win rural areas. In these areas, Northam did not do as well as McAuliffe, and he barely did better than Hillary Clinton, running against Gillespie (who is not as good a candidate as Trump for these areas to begin with). IceSpear is right that the results do not bode well for Joe Manchin.
100  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: Nov 7th - MA, OH, PA, GA, ME - Mayor, Referendum, PA Supreme Court ONLY on: November 07, 2017, 10:29:48 pm
Mundy appears to be running about 4 points ahead of Trump in Philadelphia county. But yeah, the nearly 20 point lead in Luzerne and 10 point lead in Erie bode poorly for Dems.
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