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13801  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of AKSaber on: July 09, 2009, 03:21:05 pm
You can put this guy in the category of:  "Who could NOT like him?" 

Thoroughly an FF.
13802  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Five Favorite/Least Favorite Forum Members on: July 09, 2009, 03:20:13 pm
Marokai Blue (resorts to ad hominem attacks rather than intelligent debate)

Just with you. Wink
13803  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Free Iranian Communications Bill (At Final Vote) on: July 09, 2009, 03:14:41 pm
Aye
13804  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Party Name Change Bill (At Final Vote) on: July 09, 2009, 03:12:05 pm
Aye
13805  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Federal Government Accountability and Oversight Reform Bill (At Final Vote) on: July 09, 2009, 03:11:34 pm
No reason not to, Aye.
13806  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Game Moderator Reform Bill (At Final Vote) on: July 09, 2009, 03:11:03 pm
Abstain
13807  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Cleaning Up The Line Of Succession Bill (At Final Vote) on: July 09, 2009, 03:10:10 pm
Aye
13808  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Amendment to the LGBT Trade Act (At Final Vote) on: July 09, 2009, 03:09:27 pm
Aye
13809  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: MIKE NASO IN MANHATTAN (WITH PICTURES) on: July 09, 2009, 01:22:42 am
Hey Naso and Phil, here's a few websites I bet y'all will find useful!

http://www.queenofnewyork.com/

http://nymag.com/guides/summer/2009/57643/

LOL
13810  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Top 5 Senators on: July 08, 2009, 08:32:18 pm
How could I forget my own Senator! Honorable mention to Brown. Tongue
13811  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Top 5 Senators on: July 08, 2009, 08:12:09 pm
1. Bernie Sanders
2. Claire McCaskill
3. Dick Durbin
4. Russ Feingold
5. Byron Dorgan

Al Franken will undoubtedly hit this list in time, though, after some accomplishments.
13812  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Regional Protection Party on: July 08, 2009, 07:08:25 pm
I'm really glad the RPP is working on a Logo, the Introduction to Atlasia thread could really use it. Smiley

We were pushing for one before the election but with all the Persepolis crap and then the election itself it got placed on the backburner. There is competition though so we still have a ways to go before you can update the introduction thread. However the Party numbers are I beleive out of date as I think currently we have either 30 or 31 members now.

Yes I'm sure they are out of date. I'll correct them based on the SoFA's count at some point tonight.
13813  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Regional Protection Party on: July 08, 2009, 06:54:52 pm
I'm really glad the RPP is working on a Logo, the Introduction to Atlasia thread could really use it. Smiley
13814  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of Mideast Governor Inks.LWC on: July 08, 2009, 06:54:04 pm
I call on all remaining sane Mideasterners to run for their lives. Get to another region while you still can. Wink
13815  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Frodo on: July 08, 2009, 06:52:27 pm
One of our best Republicans.
13816  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: MIKE NASO IN MANHATTAN (WITH PICTURES) on: July 08, 2009, 06:51:13 pm
I'm glad you two are having fun on your romantic getaway.
13817  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Forum Member Opinion Polls: The complete (as far as possible) list on: July 08, 2009, 06:50:10 pm

Personally I'm glad I don't have one, I fear I'd be majority HP. Tongue
13818  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Snowguy716 on: July 08, 2009, 05:33:47 pm
FF, a pretty good guy.
13819  General Politics / Economics / Re: Worst Economic President in US history on: July 08, 2009, 03:15:48 am
The tax hikes and government aid to business did not really come until 1932, much closer to the bottom than the top. It is well worth nothing that the 90% top income tax bracket remained in place from 1932 until 1964, so it certainly did not prevent recovery from the Depression, nor did it cause the Depression. There are also scholarly reassessments of how much Smoot-Hawley actually contributed to the Depression.

It came towards the end of his presidency, but I'm not just referring to the top rate (although I personally have no doubts that does in inhibit productivity). Aside from raising the top rate from 25% to 63% he also reduced personal exemptions, increased corporate taxation, AND added a check tax. There is considerable evidence that the money contractions of the early 30s were exacerbated by the latter policy alone.

Not only does this fail to address the issue of my post, but every tax you speak of further reinforces my point. The more Hoover raised taxes in 1932 under the Revenue Act of 1932 (under which all of your taxes, and more, fall under) passed that June, the more evidence there is that tax hikes did not prevent the recovery in the stock market which began that July or the recovery in the economy which began the following March. FDR again raised taxes in 1934, 1935 and 1936. Compared to June 1932, taxes in 1936 were astronomically high and would remain so for decades. During this time the Dow rallied over 300%.

The the study you linked on the money supply is rather beside the point. After being on the downtrend for years, the money supply was on a clear uptrend from 1932 to 1934, as was the national economy. So even if some marginal connection between the check tax and a reduced multiplier can be found, it was not remotely central to the causes of the Depression, and it did not prevent a strong recovery.

Reagan hiked taxes throughout the mid-1980s, a time of great expansion. Of the Clinton tax hike of 1993, Dick Armey said "Clearly, this is a job-killer in the short-run. The impact on job creation is going to be devastating." Newt Gingrich opined that "The tax increase will... lead to a recession... and will actually increase the deficit."

And we are entering a depression right now with no tax hike in sight (nor indeed any major tax hikes of any kind, except on cigarettes, since 1993)- and Obama has committed to cutting taxes, just as was Hoover's instinct in 1929. If there is a comparison, it is in that. The idea that tax hikes are always bad economic policy just flies in the face of the accumulated facts.

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Hoover's Emergency Committee on Employment (PECE) mobilized charity and encouraged local government to implement public works. While the federal government did not directly fund programs, the states did.

A.k.a. he engaged in voluntarism.

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The New Deal just went further on this by involving the Feds in the process under the assumption that it was a more effective use of resources. I'm not sure I would call that 'swamped.' Poorly implemented, perhaps.

Hoover's voluntarism and his few infrastructure projects were swamped. To his credit, the size of the federal government was so small at that time and he didn't have enough time to expand it properly. The New Deal had more of an effect, but it was preceded by a dollar devaluation and shuttering the banks, remember.

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and he also attempted to bail out the banks under the Reconstruction Finance Corporation. Which just re-affirms what I said earlier.

Which did not come until mid-1932, again.

Edit: Also, nearly all of the loans made by the RFC were repaid, although this is probably partially a result of the program's timing. But it is worth nothing that the RFC's most active years were 1933 and 1934, just as things were turning around.

Debating conservatives on the Great Depression is exasperating. They feel so strongly about a historical matter in which the empirical evidence, as far as any historical economic story goes, is about as one-sided as it can possibly be against them. But they have so many sources and theories to try and explain it the other way. It's almost amusing. You never hear liberals trying to argue that Volcker's policies prolonged inflation. We know when we're beat.

*cough*
13820  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Regional Protection Party on: July 08, 2009, 01:38:30 am
DAPS = what now?
(D)WTL
(A)HDuke
(P)iT
(S)outhParkConservative

Duke, I must say I am still very upset that you left the Governor's Plantation.  No offense to anyone else here, but you always have been my favorite Atlasian for your throw it all on the line, have no fear attitude.  Without it, conservatives would not exist in this great nation of ours.

I'm very sad he left too, honestly. I practically begged him to stay. Tongue
13821  Election Archive / 2012 Elections / Re: Romney Hatred -- From Whence Does It Come? on: July 07, 2009, 09:01:00 pm
I have more of a problem with delusional Mitt Romney supporters who think he's the savior of moderate Republicans, rather than Mitt himself.
13822  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The National Weekly Atlasian on: July 07, 2009, 08:59:34 pm
Hopefully Fritz wins. I'd be very happy with a fairly balanced Senate.
13823  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Reid to Baucus: Stop Chasing GOP Votes on Health Care on: July 07, 2009, 07:41:54 pm
Fucking finally.



By Tuesday afternoon, the Finance Committee began looking at ways other than taxing health benefits to deliver a health care overhaul that costs less than $1 trillion and is deficit-neutral, as Baucus wants.

in other words:  A $1,000,000,000,000.00 TAX INCREASE

just what an ailing economy needs

lol
13824  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Federal Government Accountability and Oversight Reform Bill (Debating) on: July 07, 2009, 07:07:18 pm
I suppose I see no reason to oppose this.
13825  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Game Moderator Reform Bill (Debating) on: July 07, 2009, 07:06:49 pm
I suppose I'm on the fence here. I personally believe it should be up to the President as it currently is, and not really up to the Senate. But, I have no reason to make a big deal of my opposition. (And changing the law, I suppose, is the proper way to go about it if we have to.) Leaning towards just abstaining.
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