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17076  General Discussion / Constitution and Law / Re: Property Rights, Kelo v. New London (dug up old thread) on: November 12, 2009, 03:10:14 am
And now for the punchline of this joke....link
The Supreme Court's 2005 decision in Kelo v. City of New London stands as one of the worst in recent years, handing local governments carte blanche to seize private property in the name of economic development. Now, four years after that decision gave Susette Kelo's land to private developers for a project including a hotel and offices intended to enhance Pfizer Inc.'s nearby corporate facility, the pharmaceutical giant has announced it will close its research and development headquarters in New London, Connecticut.


That's especially galling because the five Supreme Court Justices cited the development plan as a major factor in rationalizing their Kelo decision. Justice Anthony Kennedy called the plan "comprehensive," while Justice John Paul Stevens insisted that "The city has carefully formulated a development plan that it believes will provide appreciable benefits to the community, including, but not limited to, new jobs and increased tax revenue." So much for that.
17077  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / AMA changes tune on medical pot on: November 12, 2009, 02:49:40 am
The American Medical Assn. on Tuesday urged the federal government to reconsider its classification of marijuana as a dangerous drug with no accepted medical use, a significant shift that puts the prestigious group behind calls for more research.

The nation's largest physicians organization, with about 250,000 member doctors, the AMA has maintained since 1997 that marijuana should remain a Schedule I controlled substance, the most restrictive category, which also includes heroin and LSD.

In changing its policy, the group said its goal was to clear the way to conduct clinical research, develop cannabis-based medicines and devise alternative ways to deliver the drug.

"Despite more than 30 years of clinical research, only a small number of randomized, controlled trials have been conducted on smoked cannabis," said Dr. Edward Langston, an AMA board member, noting that the limited number of studies was "insufficient to satisfy the current standards for a prescription drug product."

The decision by the organization's delegates at a meeting in Houston marks another step in the evolving view of marijuana, which an AMA report notes was once linked by the federal government to homicidal mania. Since California voters approved the use of medical marijuana in 1996, marijuana has moved steadily into the cultural mainstream spurred by the growing awareness that it can have beneficial effects for some chronically ill people.


The AMA, however, also adopted as part of its new policy a sentence that admonishes: "This should not be viewed as an endorsement of state-based medical cannabis programs, the legalization of marijuana, or that scientific evidence on the therapeutic use of cannabis meets the current standards for a prescription drug product."

The association also rejected a proposal to issue a more forceful call for marijuana to be rescheduled.

Nevertheless, marijuana advocates welcomed the development. "They're clearly taking an open-minded stance and acknowledging that the evidence warrants a review. That is very big," said Bruce Mirken, a spokesman for the Marijuana Policy Project. "It's not surprising that they are moving cautiously and one step at a time, but this is still a very significant change."


Dawn Dearden with the Drug Enforcement Administration said: "At this point, it's still a Schedule I drug, and we're going to treat it as such." The Food and Drug Administration declined to comment.

In a statement, the office of the White House drug czar reiterated the administration's opposition to legalization and said that it would defer to "the FDA's judgment that the raw marijuana plant cannot meet the standards for identity, strength, quality, purity, packaging and labeling required of medicine."

The DEA classifies drugs into five schedules, with the fifth being the least-restrictive. Schedule II drugs, such as cocaine and morphine, are considered to have a high potential for abuse, but also to have accepted medical uses.

Several petitions have been filed to reschedule marijuana. The first, filed in 1972, bounced back and forth between the DEA and the courts until it died in 1994. A petition filed in 2002 is under consideration.


The AMA is not the only major doctors organization to rethink marijuana. Last year, the American College of Physicians, the second-largest physician group, called for "rigorous scientific evaluation of the potential therapeutic benefits of medical marijuana" and an "evidence-based review of marijuana's status as a Schedule I controlled substance."
17078  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Midwest Ratification Booth #6 on: November 12, 2009, 02:02:27 am
Farmer Tax Relief Act: no
The "Ex-Gay" Institution Tax: no
The Keep Our Houses Warm Act: no
Voting Amendment: abstain
17079  General Discussion / History / Re: "Liberal" support of the Civil War? on: November 12, 2009, 01:51:11 am
Ok, but I don't think that was the point he was trying to make.  He said
And welfare spending would have been non-existent in a second-rate power threatened by a more powerful neighbour to the south.
He implied that the North woud be a second rate power and the South would be more powerful than the North.
17080  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Happy Armistice Day! on: November 12, 2009, 01:44:32 am
I'm starting to wonder if what's his name has ever been wrong about anything.  WAIT! Are we sure Einzy isn't a lady?
17081  General Discussion / History / Re: "Liberal" support of the Civil War? on: November 12, 2009, 01:23:29 am
No because a large part of the cultural changes involved are due to the emergence of the American economy as the world superpower after the civil war. And welfare spending would have been non-existent in a second-rate power threatened by a more powerful neighbour to the south.
The South was never more powerful than the North.  The North has always had more people and more factories and more transportation options.  What would have made the south more powerful?
17082  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Fox caught lying again by the Daily Show on: November 12, 2009, 01:03:26 am
It's why I've been watching The Daily Show since the begining.  They constantly remind me what I'm not missing by not watching Network or Cable news programs.  

Jon Stewart for President!
17083  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: If libertarians spent as much time defending civil liberties as they do economic on: November 12, 2009, 12:50:55 am
This entire premise assumes that libertarians have any real strength to begin with.

I think we do. Perhaps not the ideological hard-core, but certainly there is a huge segment of the population that leans libertarian, if it's broadly defined as being economically "conservative" and socially "liberal".

Every time I define myself "broadly" like that you attack....is it the libertarian way to attack those who feel they fit in your broad definition?
I'm much more into civil liberties than economic ones yet he still attacks me.  Is there anybody he doesn't attack?  He claims to be doing this all for "left-libertarianism", but his constant attacks on everybody always brings me back to thinking he is a sock.  Why else would somebody do such harm to his own "cause".
17084  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Public School Calendars on: November 12, 2009, 12:40:27 am
Fathers and their kids that only get to get together during the Summer would suffer, but I'd still go with the balanced system.
17085  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should every prisoner have the right to have their DNA tested....... on: November 11, 2009, 10:13:58 am
Surely the cost of these DNA tests of prisoners is vastly smaller than the cost of keeping innocent people in prison for god knows how long a period of time.
It would have to be.

Secondary question:Should the DNA data of the prisoners that "opt in" to this potential innocence program* be checked against the unsolved crime registry?

I say it should be.  While I think protecting the innocent is more important than punishing the guilty, I think punishing the guilty is something we don't do hard enough when we know there is guilt.  There is no reason at all that repeat violent offenders should be allowed to walk around while a dude slinging $40 baggies of pot at a Community College rots his best years away sharing a bunk with Herbert the Pervert.

*I'm assuming we'd give the prisoners a chance to "opt out" of this to protect their civil rights, although a good argument could sway me here I think
17086  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Patriotism.... on: November 11, 2009, 10:01:03 am
But you have to keep the dudes on the other side of the hill from coming to take your stuffs that you worked hard to get.  The best way to do that is find a decent border....lake, sea, river, mt range, throw up a fence where there isn't one.  Raise a flag, name yourself something clever and get some guns.  Or run away and start over/starve.
17087  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should every prisoner have the right to have their DNA tested....... on: November 11, 2009, 09:49:23 am
Certainly.  And if .0001% of those are innocent and can be found innocent with DNA, then it will be well worth the how ever many millions it will cost the state.

..and yes, I'm still a libertarian.
17088  General Politics / International General Discussion / N.Korea patrol boat goes a little too far south, has bad afternoon on: November 11, 2009, 03:56:53 am
The skirmish in the Yellow Sea – the first for seven years – left a North Korean patrol vessel "engulfed in flames" as it retreated back across the border under fire, according to the South Korean prime minister, Chung Un-Chan.

The clash came at a time when relations between the divided nations appeared to be thawing following increased tensions earlier this year caused by North Korea's decision to test a second nuclear device in defiance of UN sanctions.

South Korean analysts speculated that the apparent provocation by Pyongyang was an attempt to serve up a timely reminder of the volatility of the Korean Peninsular to Mr Obama who agreed on Monday to send an envoy to North Korea for direct talks.

Seoul said it had suffered no casualties from the exchange which took place after a South Korean patrol boat fired warning shots across the bow of the North Korean naval vessel that had crossed the disputed Northern Limit Line, 120 nautical miles west of Incheon.

"It wasn't a close-range battle. We fired heavily on the North Korean vessel," an unidentified navy official told South Korea's Yonhap news agency.

"It is our initial assessment that the North Korean boat suffered considerable damage."

South Korea's Joint Chiefs of Staff said in a statement that the North Korean patrol boat crossed the disputed western sea border around 11.27am (0227 GMT), drawing warning shots from a South Korean navy vessel after ignoring five warnings to turn back.

The North Korean boat then opened fire and the South's ship returned fire before the North's vessel sailed back toward its waters, the statement said.

North Korea's military, however, blamed South Korea, calling for it to apologise for a "grave armed provocation", and claiming that Seoul's ships had opened fire while its craft was still north of the disputed border.

The North added its boat "lost no time to deal a prompt retaliatory blow at the provokers".

17089  General Politics / Economics / Re: Is the tobacco industry unfairly demonized? on: November 11, 2009, 03:44:36 am
Yes, in the sense that many other industries are equally or more demonic than they.
One of those times me and opebo agree.
17090  General Politics / International General Discussion / Nord Stream (or Russo–German gas pipeline or Baltic Sea gas pipeline) on: November 11, 2009, 03:11:45 am
Nord Stream is a planned natural gas offshore pipeline from Vyborg in Russia to Greifswald in Germany by the company Nord Stream AG. The name occasionally has a wider meaning, including the feeding onshore pipeline in Russia, and further connections in Western Europe.

The project, which is promoted by Russia and Germany, is seen as controversial for environmental, political and national security concerns in several countries such as Sweden, as well as Poland and the Baltic states, which favour overland alternatives.

The plan for the offshore pipeline is to build two parallel legs each with capacity of 27.5 billion cubic metres (bcm) per year. The diameter of the pipe will be 1,220 millimetres (48 in) and the working pressure 220 bars (22 MPa). The first leg of the pipeline is to be built in 2010–2011 and the second one in 2011–2012. The first gas delivery is scheduled for late 2011.

Controversies include:
A.a lack of transparency
B.Fears that Russia will have Western Europe even more over the proverbial barrel
C.fears that the Russians will use it to spy or as an excuse to leave military boats closer to Sweden than Sweden would like
D.it's too expensive
E.and the big one, it's likely to be hard on the environment.
17091  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should every prisoner have the right to have their DNA tested....... on: November 11, 2009, 01:38:51 am
Does anybody have any idea what percent of inmates could be found innocent using DNA?  I'm guessing it's well below 50%.  It's not like the cops needed DNA to put a coke mule away.  I say test all of 'em that can be (and want to be tested) and release all that are innocent.  Then check their DNA against any applicable unsolved cases where DNA would be useful.

I guess I should have been clearer. DNA testing should only be done in cases where DNA evidence would actually prove something. So maybe it should be looked at from a case to case basis and if DNA evidence could possibly overturn the verdict, it should be done free of cost to the prisoner.
17092  General Discussion / Constitution and Law / Re: Lewis Galoob Toys, Inc. v. Nintendo of America, Inc. on: November 11, 2009, 01:32:04 am
Of course its the right decision.

..and while I'd never buy one and would shame anybody using it to beat a game, I'd have no problems with somebody using it after they beat a game just to "explore" the game a little more.  In my opinion, in game "cheats" for single player games shouldn't be able to be used until the game has been won.
17093  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Political correctness, from hypocritcal to deadly on: November 11, 2009, 01:23:22 am
Oh, there's worse in the mix.   Much of the Air force is made up of Christian fundamentalists.   People who hope and pray for the end of the world - in control of a massive nuclear stockpile.   That's a disaster waiting to happen.
Weird that I've spent the last 15 years in the Air Force or working for the Air Force (much of that at "massive nuclear stockpile" headquarters) and I've never run into a single person like this.  Are there Christian Fundies around?  Of course.  There are also Atheist Fundies and NASCAR Fundies and Obama voters and black guys and Catholics and Jews and Muslims and old virgins and the occasional drunk.
17094  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Gimme your best guess on Ft. Hood...... on: November 11, 2009, 01:03:58 am
Wacko with a gun/Allah Akbar
17095  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Should every prisoner have the right to have their DNA tested....... on: November 11, 2009, 01:02:11 am
Does anybody have any idea what percent of inmates could be found innocent using DNA?  I'm guessing it's well below 50%.  It's not like the cops needed DNA to put a coke mule away.  I say test all of 'em that can be (and want to be tested) and release all that are innocent.  Then check their DNA against any applicable unsolved cases where DNA would be useful.
17096  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: How much has the healthcare industry paid for your congressmen? on: November 11, 2009, 12:30:25 am
Nothing shocking to be found at the top of the list.  John Kerry, John McCain, Arlen Specter, Max Baucus, Charles Rangel.  All consistent asshats.
17097  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: What political issues or issues that have been politicized........ on: November 11, 2009, 12:17:21 am
abortion-I tend to just avoid that one..it should be between the pregnant lady, the dude that knocked her up and her doctor.  The govt, the church, and everybody else should ignore them, wish them luck, pray for them, do anything they want except tell them what to do about it

environment-extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.  Way too many people on both sides have axes to grind to be trustworthy and the biggest cheerleader on the "save the earth" side is a lying jackass who tried to get the govt to ban "bad" music in the 80s.
17098  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Atlas Football League 2009 on: November 10, 2009, 10:17:03 am
Just got to be in the top 4 at the end of week 13 and then get lucky for the next two weeks.
17099  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Capital of the World: The Poll on: November 09, 2009, 09:47:20 am
London or NYC

Paris, El Lay, Tokyo on the outside looking in

SF, Hong Kong, Rio, Washington are wannabe's
17100  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: islam is a religion of peace on: November 08, 2009, 04:26:18 am
You sure you want to start comparing lists?  It's probably better just to ignore trollish posts.
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