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4551  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Question for those who dislike traditional things... on: September 19, 2011, 06:40:24 am
Prefer the movies/music of the 1970s myself.

The 50s suck. The 60s are kind of okay, but get better during the latter half.
4552  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: 2011 State Elections in Germany on: September 19, 2011, 04:26:20 am
According to Infratest, the CDU got 20% among voters with a migrant background.

I went through Kreuzberg yesterday, and the CDU had direct candidates of Turkish descent there.
4553  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: 2011 State Elections in Germany on: September 19, 2011, 03:48:02 am
The Pirates are getting a Stadtrat? God help us all!
4554  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: 2011 State Elections in Germany on: September 19, 2011, 03:44:49 am
Mitte 2 is the part of Mitte which belonged to East Berlin. The other destricts are located in West Berlin. In fact, as a a former core district of East Berlin it still contains a lot of retired SED officials from before 1990. I suppose the same could be said about Frieke 4?
Yeah. Stalinallee and such. Though most of Mitte 1 is in East Berlin, of course.

Right. Even with its eastern parts, Mitte 1 is a less "typical" East Berlin district though (Friedrichstadtpalast instead of major Plattenbauten Wink ).
4555  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: A gay Chancellor? on: September 19, 2011, 02:40:42 am
Moreover, I don't claim that Wowereit will become the SPD's nominee at any rate, I just say that his chances have risen tremendously since his reelection.

This was his worst election result since 2001. He was re-elected as expected, but not as strong as expected. The fact that the Greens also failed to meet expectations doesn't change that.

So I fail to see how this risis his chances "tremendously". His chances are the same as before the election, maybe even a little lower.
4556  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: 2011 State Elections in Germany on: September 19, 2011, 02:36:20 am
Why exactly is the Left so strong in Friedrichshain-Kreuzberg 4 and in Mitte 2 ?

And the Greens so weak ? All the surrounding districts were won by the Greens ...

Mitte 2 is the part of Mitte which belonged to East Berlin. The other destricts are located in West Berlin. In fact, as a a former core district of East Berlin it still contains a lot of retired SED officials from before 1990. I suppose the same could be said about Frieke 4?
4557  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: A gay Chancellor? on: September 18, 2011, 04:25:59 pm
By that logic, Kurt Beck should have become the SPD's nominee in 2009 (or 2013, for that matter).
4558  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: 2011 State Elections in Germany on: September 18, 2011, 04:17:23 pm
The Left wouldn't win 26.5% in Mitte 3 either (which is the current result for SPD there). It's a West Berlin district where the Left had 5% last time.
4559  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: 2011 State Elections in Germany on: September 18, 2011, 04:13:48 pm
Huh, why is the Left leading in Mitte 3 all of the sudden? Doesn't make any sense. Is it possible that someone mistakingly entered the data for Mitte 2 into Mitte 3?
4560  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: 2011 State Elections in Germany on: September 18, 2011, 03:59:44 pm
I suppose Rösler's tenure as FDP federal chairman will be over if/when the FDP gets kicked from the Schleswig-Holstein state parliament next May as well. At the latest.

Who would take over ? Christian "Barney" Lindner ?

Perhaps.

Then again, he could probably stab Rösler in the back at any time he wants. Lindner is just smart enough to know that it would be a really bad idea to become FDP chairman himself in the current situation. So maybe he props up another fall guy next May. Rösler has Lindner's unwaivering loyalty because Rösler draws all the fire.
4561  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: 2011 State Elections in Germany on: September 18, 2011, 03:41:45 pm
I suppose Rösler's tenure as FDP federal chairman will be over if/when the FDP gets kicked from the Schleswig-Holstein state parliament next May as well. At the latest.

Question is whether they gonna sacrifice Westerwelle (as foreign minister) during the coming week.
4562  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: A gay Chancellor? on: September 18, 2011, 03:29:36 pm
Which were also uncharacteristically camp.

Mabye he was just drunk. Cheesy
4563  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: 2011 State Elections in Germany on: September 18, 2011, 03:16:22 pm
Ah, I think I found it:

http://www.wahlen-berlin.de/wahlen/BE2011/Ergebnis/region/a2-VI0200.asp?sel1=1052&sel2=0655&tabtitel=Friedrichshain-Kreuzberg

Never mind.
4564  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: 2011 State Elections in Germany on: September 18, 2011, 03:14:51 pm
Where are you getting the results for the smaller parties from?

On wahlen-berlin.de I only see the results for the SPD/CDU/Greens/Left/FDP.
4565  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: A gay Chancellor? on: September 18, 2011, 03:07:09 pm
With this election result, a potential candidacy of Wowereit for Chancellor is coming closer.

I don't see how this has become more likely now because of this election. His victory was solid, but not exactly spectacular.

Election result: 28.5%
Final poll prior to election: 31.0%

2006 election result: 30.8%
2001 election result: 29.7%

SPIEGEL Online calls his victory "unglamorous".
4566  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: 2011 State Elections in Germany on: September 18, 2011, 02:54:35 pm
Dirk Behrendt (Greens) won Friedrichshain-Kreuzberg 2 with 49.8%.

Dammit, so close to an absolute majority. Tongue
4567  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: 2011 State Elections in Germany on: September 18, 2011, 02:50:37 pm








Some of Berlin's new Pirate MdA's.

They even have a woman. Emphasis on "a", as in singular. Wink
4568  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: 2011 State Elections in Germany on: September 18, 2011, 07:55:26 am


At the bottom a CDU poster with the slogan: "So that something changes."

At the top a CDU poster with the slogan: "So that Steglitz-Zehlendorf stays the way it is."


Change... but not to much. Tongue
4569  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: A gay Chancellor? on: September 18, 2011, 02:01:01 am
I don't think it would be a problem. Not to mention one of the first things they'd see done if they + Greens/Left/etc win the 2013 elections is legalizing same-sex marriage in Germany. The CDU/CSU is the main blockers of this right now I think.

Not entirely. The issue is different from the one in America. We have something that could be called "civil unions" for a little over a decade now. Since then, political debate has been about making those civil unions equal/virtually identical to heterosexual marriages in all but name. Which is exactly what started to happen step by step over the years.

However, Germany never had much of a fetish over calling it "marriage". Colloquially it is usually referred to as marriage anyway, even if the letters of the law says otherwise (officially it is called eingetragene Lebenspartnerschaft which of course nobody would use for the sheer length of the term). Debate has been more about substantial things like giving gays the right to adopt children than to change the formal name to "marriage".

Fun fact: Westerwelle originally voted against legalizing civil unions back in 2000. He's now married himself. Tongue Then again, he voted against the law prior to his coming out.
4570  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: 2011 State Elections in Germany on: September 18, 2011, 01:27:17 am
Since the FDP fights for its survival it has become a bit unpredictable. In any case, "save the party" is now the top priority, with all other considerations being secondary. If it gets Merkel into some trouble, so be it.

They thought that suddenly going eurosceptic would be a good move, considering that the European Stability Mechanism and the Greece bailouts are highly unpopular among voters and they would be the only "major" party being somewhat critical about it.

But like Franzl said, this move is just a bit too obvious and not very believable, so it probably won't work.
4571  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: 2011 State Elections in Germany on: September 17, 2011, 11:25:36 am
I don't think the Pirates will get up to 9% like the INFO poll has said, instead I guess they will struggle to get more than 5% because I also think many of their young, male supporters will not go voting after all.

But (nominal) Green supporters will. And Green supporters are going to vote Pirate.
4572  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Least right-wing Republican President since WWII? on: September 17, 2011, 11:09:10 am
Bush appears moderate compared to Perry/Bachmann. Then again, Mussolini was moderate compared to Hitler. Tongue

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4573  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: A gay Chancellor? on: September 17, 2011, 10:52:39 am
On Sunday, 9/18/2011 Berlin's mayor, Klaus Wowereit, will be reelected in an election which has been attached much value, not only in Germany but also in many European countries.
There's a reason for that: The Social Democrats (SPD) are going to hold primaries for the first time to nominate a chancellor candidate, who will run against Christian Democrat Angela Merkel by September 2013 (presumably even earlier); Wowereit is talked about as a nominee by the left wing, whereas his hardest opponent, former Finance Minister Peer Steinbrück, achieves support from fiscal conservatives.

Last thing I heard is that Sigmar Gabriel was backpaddeling on that one. In any case, the SPD wanted to hold a primary-like election since at least 1994 and it never materialized. I believe it when it happens.



Since Merkel's CDU will definitely lose the next federal election, which is verified by each poll, it may become possible that Germany will be ruled by a homosexual for the first time. (Hey Forbes, I've got an idea for you. Smiley )

Any event that is still two years into the future is far from "definite".



Could you imagine a gay Chancellor representing Germany in the US, in Russia, in China or even in Saudi-Arabia? Will the foreign press still take us seriously? Will the future US president receive Wowereit, no matter who has made it to the White House; Obama or Paul wouldn't cause trouble, but won't Perry or even Bachmann either?

Well, Westerwelle made it out of Saudi Arabia alive, so I don't see how it should be a problem. No big deal here.



Voted for option 3 btw. Same as with Westerwelle, basically.
4574  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: 2011 State Elections in Germany on: September 15, 2011, 03:52:46 pm
Well, INFO GmbH was also the first polling insitute which had the Pirates at 4.5%. The other polling firms followed soon after.
4575  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Lessons From the Israeli Embassy Takeover in Egypt on: September 15, 2011, 06:21:46 am
We should base our foreign policy on the reactions Arabs have to things?

To a certain degree, this has always been the case.

So it's only a question of whether this degree is sufficient.
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