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1  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Okay, I admit it. I was wrong. on: December 13, 2017, 02:18:47 am
Its OK, you don't need to admit it, we all knew you were wrong all along Smiley
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Newest Ohio vote dump decreases trump's margin by 22k, gives hrc loraine C. on: November 27, 2016, 06:36:07 am
it's not like you guys have anything remotely resembling a mandate.  It's quite possible that when all is said and done Trump will have lost the popular vote by over 2%.

I can't help but wonder what conservatives would be saying if the situation was reversed and it was Democrats who, in over a generation, had only initially won the White House each time despite a plurality of the country voting against them? There arguably hasn't been a true conservative mandate in a long time, and unlikely to be one in an equally longer amount of time.

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In regards to the other comment - while I accepted it a while ago, I definitely do not fault others for looking for any chance to keep a sexual predator conman out of the White House.

The GOP is in its strongest position since the 1920's. We now control the White House, both houses of Congress, and a solid majority of governorships and state legislatures. Only 4 states have total democratic control of both houses of the legislature and the governorship. During Obama's presidency, the democrats lost 13 Senate seats, 69 House seats, 12 governorships, and 900+ state legislature seats.

Who cares about the popular vote. We are a constitutional republic where the winner of the presidency is decided by the electoral votes. Given how cohesive and unified the GOP is, Trump will have enormous power to undo the harmful Obama legacy and put us back on the right path.



ugghhh, want to vomit
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hard Choices: Why Trump won and how the Dems must change (Lyin' Steve's autopsy) on: November 15, 2016, 08:32:07 am
The problem with so much of this well-thought out analysis comes down to this:

"The Dems won the most votes, and therefore they must change."

"The Dems policies are more popular than the Republicans policies, and therefore they must change them"

The logic is totally screwed, because the EC and house districting are totally screwed. It ends up with the Dems having to appeal to different people, rather than more people, which effectively means some kinds of people are more important than others.

Which isn't a nice conclusion
While you layout a cohearent thought... it isn't correct. 
1) The popular vote is next to irrelevant.
2) Trump didn't try to win the popular vote, Clinton didn't try to win it either.
3) Trying to downplay a loss because you are in the margin of error of a nearly irrelevant stat isn't a good way to go. 
4) This is the "United States of America", not the "Mass of Americans in a single entity", so this naive abolish the electoral college stuff needs to stop (thats in general not in response)   

I disagree with your points, but thats by-the-by. The question was, how should the Dems change? Its been shown they're popular than the Republicans,  but they are the ones that have to change their policies. I don't see how they can go about that in a coherent way, other than dumping the positions the majority like, and supporting policies the minority like. And once again we've run out of logic right there.
OK, I'll put it like this:
Party A competes successfully in 35 states
Party B competes successfully in 20 states
(5 overlaps)
Party B is shocked that they are out of touch with vast swaths of the country. 

Well exactly,  thats my point also. Some Americans views are more important than others.
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Slate: The electoral college is an instrument of white supremacy-and sexism on: November 14, 2016, 09:28:36 pm
Well, the electoral college does mean that some kinds of people are more important than others when it comes to winning elections. I doubt its white supremacists, but the outcome is certainly unfair


BTW, did you also complain, when UKIP got basically nada in UK elections because of similar rules? Tongue

Absolutely,  but I come at it from the side of the libdems and greens. Yes, not representative either,  although there would always be issues of govt stability in a non-presidential system. Half the tories are indistinguishable from ukip anyway, so the politics doesnt matter.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hard Choices: Why Trump won and how the Dems must change (Lyin' Steve's autopsy) on: November 14, 2016, 08:42:19 pm
The problem with so much of this well-thought out analysis comes down to this:

"The Dems won the most votes, and therefore they must change."

"The Dems policies are more popular than the Republicans policies, and therefore they must change them"

The logic is totally screwed, because the EC and house districting are totally screwed. It ends up with the Dems having to appeal to different people, rather than more people, which effectively means some kinds of people are more important than others.

Which isn't a nice conclusion
While you layout a cohearent thought... it isn't correct. 
1) The popular vote is next to irrelevant.
2) Trump didn't try to win the popular vote, Clinton didn't try to win it either.
3) Trying to downplay a loss because you are in the margin of error of a nearly irrelevant stat isn't a good way to go. 
4) This is the "United States of America", not the "Mass of Americans in a single entity", so this naive abolish the electoral college stuff needs to stop (thats in general not in response)   

I disagree with your points, but thats by-the-by. The question was, how should the Dems change? Its been shown they're popular than the Republicans,  but they are the ones that have to change their policies. I don't see how they can go about that in a coherent way, other than dumping the positions the majority like, and supporting policies the minority like. And once again we've run out of logic right there.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Slate: The electoral college is an instrument of white supremacy-and sexism on: November 14, 2016, 11:52:19 am
Well, the electoral college does mean that some kinds of people are more important than others when it comes to winning elections. I doubt its white supremacists, but the outcome is certainly unfair
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will the left finally wake up and realize we need to change our thinking? on: November 14, 2016, 11:47:49 am
Clearly, when your party gets the most votes for President, the most votes in the house and the most votes in the senate, it must change and learn its lesson. Only solution
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hard Choices: Why Trump won and how the Dems must change (Lyin' Steve's autopsy) on: November 14, 2016, 11:33:03 am
The problem with so much of this well-thought out analysis comes down to this:

"The Dems won the most votes, and therefore they must change."

"The Dems policies are more popular than the Republicans policies, and therefore they must change them"

The logic is totally screwed, because the EC and house districting are totally screwed. It ends up with the Dems having to appeal to different people, rather than more people, which effectively means some kinds of people are more important than others.

Which isn't a nice conclusion
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Question for Trump supporters - when did America stop being 'great'? on: November 13, 2016, 09:53:26 am
I was in rural Illinois last-August and overheard some people talking about how Obama had 'ruined this country'.

I gazed around at the beautiful scenery along the Illinois river, thought about the wonderful little villages we'd been spending time in and the friendliness and positivity of all the people I'd met from Chicago to Utica, and thought, what the  are they going on about?

10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: First UK politician to meet Trump since the election is... on: November 13, 2016, 09:48:19 am
Meanwhile Stephen Bannon starts to work with Marion Le Pen (not Marine). Beautiful feminist wave will hopefully take over France. Vive la France! Smiley

Quote
Marion Le PenVerified account
‏@Marion_M_Le_Pen
I answer yes to the invitation of Stephen Bannon, CEO of @realDonaldTrump presidential campaign, to work together.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/731707/Marion-Le-Pen-Marine-Donald-Trump-Front-National-French-election-2017-Stephen-Bannon

Yesss, Facism, xenophobia and extreme nationalism! Lead only to good things in Italy, Germany and Spain, it'll surely work now!

/s

Fascism racism something something. Sigh.


You can't really get away with that kind of response considering what you wrote. Why don't you just own up to it?
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: First UK politician to meet Trump since the election is... on: November 13, 2016, 06:33:30 am
Ah, a photo of two twats side by side
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What's the maximum amount a candidate could win the Popular Vote by and lose? on: November 12, 2016, 08:10:42 am
I think you'd have to go some to match what just happened, huge margins for HRC in CA, NY and IL, huge margins for DJT in a load of small EV-states and on a knife-edge everywhere else
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Report: Trump Taps Ben Carson for Secretary of Education on: November 12, 2016, 08:08:46 am
ha ha ha ha ha!

America you really are off on one at the moment :0)
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Is the filibuster now dead? on: November 12, 2016, 02:57:43 am
Could they get rid of it, do some legislating, then reintroduce it through legislation that would prevent its removal ever again?
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Question: Why are there so many foreigners posting on this board? on: November 12, 2016, 02:16:00 am
We're all Americans really Smiley

But mainly, because your electoral system is like a giant game of Risk
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What happens to marijuana? on: November 12, 2016, 02:14:14 am
Hang on, isn't there an obvious, obvious answer to this?

Trump has been elected on a platform of 'Successful Businessman in Charge of our Economy'. I can imagine what a successful businessman would do under this paradigm is encourage the start-up of marijuana growing farms, cooperatives, distribution networks and shops, thus effectively generating income and jobs, lowering prices through a fair market, increasing tax revenue and reducing criminality in the system. It would also increase our competitiveness with our southern neighbors and reduce stresses on the border force.

Its win-win-win
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: How will Trump govern in comparison to his campaign ideals? on: November 12, 2016, 02:05:57 am
He's been elected as a populist with the support of working class whites, but I assume he'll govern as a normal Republican, so therefore I assume he'll be more conservative. Not conservative enough for many, I'm sure, but I'd be amazed if he actually pushes through agenda that benefits his support-base
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Do you feel bad for Hillary Clinton? on: November 11, 2016, 04:05:20 am
Of course, she was not dealt a fair hand. One can easily imagine her winning had she kept her emails on a State Department server, and if such a minor thing was really the tipping point in a modern-day election in a developed country that is a really sad state of affairs.

Plus she is also now a citizen of a country with Donald Trump as President and I feel bad for all of those people.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: NBC: Hate crimes spike following the Election on: November 11, 2016, 04:01:27 am
I wonder what would Hilary hacks write here if all these black man being murdered by police happened during the Trump presidency, not the presidency of the first black president. Even though any incident is unfortunate collecting news stories (who knows how many of them are true) and somehow this is Trump's fault is a huge double standard.

Thats a very fair point, and it does go to show how institutionalised racism has become in America. It is something that s going to take a long time and a lot of bioartisan effort to overcome, and the leadership has to come from the President and I hope that Donald Trump does address killings by police in a serious manner
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: When did you realize that it was almost certain that Trump would win? on: November 11, 2016, 01:43:29 am
Worried when Florida and NC turned against her, but assumed her firewall would hold. At one point she was behind in Michigan but assumed Detroit would come in, she was substantially ahead in PA at this point, but it was when I took a close look at Wisconsin I realised she could be done for. Neck-and-neck in the votes but Milwaukee largely in and I couldn't see how she would stay ahead there
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Hallelujah! The Supreme Court is now saved.......... on: November 11, 2016, 01:31:55 am
I suppose if Donald Trump is serious about governing for all Americans, changing the way Washington works and supporting the mandate of the people who voted for him, he should leave the nomination of Merrick Garland in place, as a sensible moderate judge acceptable to all who perfectly the fits the mold of the ninth seat on the court.

ha Smiley
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Did James Comey costs Hillary the presidential election? on: November 10, 2016, 01:43:12 pm
It feels like it. Before Comey she was campaigning in Arizona, after it she was in Michigan
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will there be enough anti-Trump Senators and Representatives to impeach Trump? on: November 10, 2016, 11:08:16 am
I'm interested in hearing why some people think that raping a child doesn't classify as a high crime or misdemeanor?

Yes, I've heard the rumour. But there's no case, if there was he wouldn't have won, so I think this needs to be dropped
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Trump be a President for all Americans? on: November 10, 2016, 01:26:45 am
Teresa may gave a very similar upbeat speech about governing for the disadvantaged upon her election,  and has done nothing of the sort in her her first few months. Don't be swayed by words folks.

What is more interesting is whether he governs as a normal Republican or as a hero of the working class, because his mandate is certainly for the latter
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will there be enough anti-Trump Senators and Representatives to impeach Trump? on: November 09, 2016, 06:22:13 am
Impeach him for what? silly thread

Bill Clinton was basically impeached over a blowjob. It's only a matter of how much you want to find a pretext.

Yes, that is true. Your country.........
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