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76  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: October 2017 Federalist Party Convention - Bylaw, Platform, City and Leadership on: October 11, 2017, 03:35:36 am
Anyway I am going to hold the combined elections this weekend to enable time to work those remaining problems out of the platform and discuss any remaining issues with it. If you have any comments, concerns or questions about the proposal (I think it is on the previous page), please post them soon. Tongue
77  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: October 2017 Federalist Party Convention - Bylaw, Platform, City and Leadership on: October 11, 2017, 03:30:48 am
Quote from: NC Yankee March 26, 2015, 01:25:35 PM
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Rather then changing the name to reflect amorphous blob of conservatives that so many view us as, we should in my view change the party to reflect and embrace the name.
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The Atlasian right should embrace small f federalism and regional protection. It should encourage that issue sets be moved down to the regional level like healthcare. We passed the bill with a Federalist Senate and a Federalist President last summer, now it is time for us to make the push for the regions to create a healthcare marketplace and begin this transition back to the regions. The minimum wage should be repealed or reduced at the federal level and the regions freed to determine it based on what is best for their regions. With the exception of financial and resource assistance, education should be likewise retained to the regions. TNF's socialist agenda should be scaled back and repealed. The Midwest can go socialist, the NE market liberal, the ME populist and the IDS libertarian on these issues. On social issues, abortion is now entirely a regional issue. We should block all attempts to reverse that such as with a Gass3268 style abortion on demand amendment, and we should push for the banning of late-term abortions in each region. Rather than moving the Regional Ratification booths to the SoFE, we should be demanding that Regional Senate seats be administered by Regions. Instead of making it easier to amend the constitution or god forbid moving us towards a referendum in action as well as name, it should be difficult as it is now. We should oppose all attempts to dilute the independence of the judiciary and god help anyone who dares dilute the influence of regions in the federal law making process (any differential in numbers between regional and at-Large should be opposed, unless they are separate chambers and both are required to pass laws).

Quote from: NC Yankee May 03, 2015, 10:49:57 AM
Jammer is supposed to be a regionalist. TNF is about as bad as Xahar though.

One thing I have wanted to see was the rise of pro-regional socialism, and have that take over the labor party, or have a pro-regional liberal party displace it. That way anti-regionalism would be marginalized and the loss of a 50-50 race wouldn't spell doom.



How did an isolated band of renegades in a dead party (This was when we had no elected officeholders) redefine completely the Atlasian political scene, on its terms?  

Reagan got nothing on this sh@%t! Tongue
78  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Direct Democracy Survey (Results) on: October 11, 2017, 01:32:56 am
Can we get crosstabs by party?
79  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump wants border wall, other restrictions to be paired with DACA on: October 10, 2017, 03:39:57 am
The simple problem here is that Democrats want to preserve the status quo on immigration. Cyclical amnesty and the key to that is never actually getting the enforcement or blocking it until a new illegal population is built up so you can cry foul and claim you cannot enforce until the system is "reformed" and those here now are legalized. Rinse, Wash, Repeat!

Never before was their such a divide on the immigration issue with Hillary going so far as to pledge to end all deportations (effectively declaring open borders) while Trump ran on a wall. If the Democrats want to hang their heads on the policy of open borders and refuse to compromise at all on enforcement, then they better hope they can pull off a sunbelt strategy, because there is no way they will regain the rust belt with that approach.

Even Obama paid lip service to the standard lie of "enforcement" in comprehensive reform, deported millions of illegals and called for a crack down on employers who hire illegals.

80  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The office of Congressman JGibson (Lab) on: October 10, 2017, 03:22:43 am
We already ended Columbus Day Tongue
Encouraging a Scottish Independence Referendum and wanting to boot out a key ally's government, probably not such a good diplomatic move, nor would be recognizing Catalonia Independence Tongue Also we already have a common market with the UK, too Tongue


Probably also teeters on violating the Logan Act.
81  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HR 1161: Congressional Procedure Amendment (Debating) on: October 10, 2017, 02:42:14 am
Friendly
82  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: Return Education To the Regions Act (Debating) on: October 10, 2017, 02:20:52 am
I am probably not going to be able to say on late enough to start that vote, since Peebs hasn't responded, so I will probably have to it when I get home from work.
83  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SB 2017-134: Open Ports Act (Final Vote) on: October 10, 2017, 01:40:43 am
Nay

May I inquire as to your reasonings behind this vote so we may consider it while debating it in the House?

I've seen legitimate arguments in defense of the Jones Act regarding national security. We have a better idea of who's in our shores with this act, and any wannabe maritime terrorists would have a harder time getting through our checkpoints. Of course, I understand that the repeal will pass and this is mostly a symbolic vote coming from the most protectionist member of the Senate. Tongue

Well the house has long made it it's prerogative to fix the mistakes that the Senate dumps in our laps. Tongue

I will be sure to consider your concerns when it comes before the House.
84  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: A different GOP President and Obamacare... on: October 10, 2017, 01:21:21 am
If a different and more politically-competent Republican, such as Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio, had been elected in 2016, would they have been able to successfully lead the charge on Obamacare repeal?
 
Would there have been more pressure on reluctant GOP senators to repeal if the Republican President was hovering in the mid 50s in job approval, or would they have still tanked the chances of repeal?

Given Trump's considerable unpopularity, I feel that certainly made it easier for those reluctant GOP senators to defy his wishes for repeal without causing a huge backlash.

Thoughts?

The biggest problem facing repeal was that they spent 7 years spouting talking points without ever coming up with anything concrete.

The reason for that is obvious. Because there was no way people like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz would come to an agreement with anything that people like Murkowski, Collins, Kirk and other moderate Senators over that period could also support.

I don't think that a different Republican would have fared much better, because you still have to deal with the intransigence of the Freedom Caucus, Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, and the reality facing GOP moderates that makes it impossible for them to vote to dump 16 million people off medicaid.
85  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SB 2017-137: Atlasian Workers' Restoration Act (Debating) on: October 09, 2017, 11:43:24 pm
I think we should amend and modernize Taft-Hartley, not repeal it. I agree with Senator Spiral when says it is not 1947, but it is also not 1933-1946 either.

The economy has changed and the biggest thing that has crippled unions was not Taft-Hartley. Unions reached their peak in the 25 years following its passage. What crippled public unions was the intense competition and threat of stiff competition from foreign production and second of all the the strong push to outsource manufacturing as a way to combat that.

Public sector unions began their sharp decline in the 1970's, with the decline in manufacturing. That is why most of the labor movement is now focused on public sector unions, where there is no outsourcing/foreign competition risk and the people on the other side of the negotiating table is politicians who in many cases are elected by the unions, which is frankly disturbing in that there is no counter argument at all and the taxpayers get hosed.

I have always been somewhat of a moderate on labor issues within the Federalist Party, as Senator Spiral will recall back when he was a libertarian and voting to my right on the issue four years ago. Tongue But that being said, I think, while the objective is noble, I think this is the wrong way to address the problem in question.
86  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE RESOLUTION: End of War Agreement (Debating) on: October 09, 2017, 11:21:31 pm
I am not sure if it is possible to amend a treaty. Granted you cannot amend a judicial appointment or a cabinet appointment so perhaps that is pointless comparison, but the other instances of Advice and consent are applied in the form of an up or down vote.

Quote from: Article III, Fourth Constitution
Section 2 (Powers)

The President shall have the power, except where limited elsewhere by this Constitution, to grant reprieves and pardons for crimes committed under the laws of the Republic of Atlasia, but Congress may rescind such pardons by a 2/3 vote of the Senate and the House of Representatives;
to introduce legislation into the queue of the Congress;
to appoint, with the advice and consent of the Senate, the Justices of the Supreme Court;
to establish such executive departments as may be necessary for the execution of the laws, and to appoint their principle officers with the advice and consent of the Senate;
to veto acts of Congressional legislation, and to exercise a line-item veto over the budget;
to appoint the vice president in the event of a vacancy in that office;
to serve as Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Atlasia; and
to make treaties with the advice and consent of the Senate.
87  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: October 2017 Federalist Party Convention - Bylaw, Platform, City and Leadership on: October 09, 2017, 10:42:27 pm
Any further recommendations, nominations for cities etc.
88  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Atlasian Star on: October 09, 2017, 09:52:08 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKluHHFK5bk
89  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: Swearing in of New Officeholders on: October 09, 2017, 09:31:19 pm
I, TJ in Wisco, hereby announce my retirement from the Supreme Court of Atlasia.

It was a fun ride, but I can't put forth the effort to do the job well at this point. Simply too many responsibilities in life.

You were a great justice TJ.

Thank you for your kind remarks Siren! Smiley

You were awesome TJ. I was hoping you would give Opebo a run for his money. Tongue
90  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HB 1152 - Carbon Tax Act (Debating) on: October 09, 2017, 09:11:32 pm
I am going to have to object pending some answers to the questions posed by the President and myself.
91  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: 1980: Muhammad Ali vs. Ronald Reagan on: October 09, 2017, 09:05:08 pm
Reagan


America wasn't going to elect someone without political experience in the Cold War.
92  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: Enceladus Mission Probe Funding (Debating) on: October 09, 2017, 08:21:05 pm
Apologies for the delay.

Vote on Final Passage of Amendment H8:08:

Aye (5): Harry 80th wasn't a Do-Nothing Congress Truman, Haslam2020, Illiniwek, LT and Peebs
Nay (4): Illiniwek, NC Yankee, VPH, and Rfayette

The amendment has been adopted.

This looks like something out of the thread on odd Supreme Court divides.
A correction not: Illiniwek is listed as under AYE and NAY. I know I voted NAY, while Illiniwek vote AYE.

You voted one after another, your first letters are right beside each other in the alphabet and you both come from Illinois. Mistakes will be made! Tongue
93  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: TN-SEN: Corker retiring on: October 09, 2017, 06:57:00 pm
The video should've been blocked not on the grounds that it's inflammatory, but because the "selling baby parts" crap is demonstrably false. Now right-wingers are gonna say Twitter's out to get them, when in reality Twitter does absolutely nothing about trolls and neo-nazis.

It is a Trump era media gimmick though, and like PNM said this will get her attention on right wing news platforms and far more viewership, then if the ad had just run normally.
94  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Office of Governor Wells (L-NY) on: October 09, 2017, 06:40:28 pm
Sorry, but I'm gonna have to strongly oppose this. I supported Blair for Assembly because I believed he could help whip up activity and such. But the Supreme Court is a completely different story. Why appoint a labor hack (no offense Blair but we are both party hacks, just like you all would oppose me as justice, too, and you know you would.) I already have a problem with Windjammer on the court and would not want North Carolina Yankee back on the court either as Chief Justice, we both know that you had quite a few non - party hack options to choose from and yet you did this. There are many reasons to oppose this lest we have to hear Windjammer's musings about "unanimous cases" which just goes to show the full extent of irony on the court. I strongly oppose this and must unfortunately ask the Assembly to reject this nomination.

Going on the court was the biggest mistake I have made in the past 3 years.
95  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SB 2017-131: Preservation of our Future Act (Final Vote) on: October 09, 2017, 03:51:51 am
That line was added for the purposes of removing duplicative and overlapping penalties and regulations of the same issue. Tongue


96  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HB 1152 - Carbon Tax Act (Debating) on: October 09, 2017, 03:42:55 am
I generally like the idea of starting with the funding and working from there, but it does leave one to wonder that being said, do we have any idea how much a Carbon tax would bring in?
97  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: Having More Donors Is Good Act (Debating) on: October 09, 2017, 03:39:02 am
Quote from: Amendment H8:18 by NC Yankee
Section 2, Clause 3 Shall be inserted and read as follows:

Quote
Part II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Reforming and Regionalizing Public Healthcare Act of 2017 shall be inserted to read as follows:
5. AtlasCare shall be authorized to offer a premium discount to its enrolled membership who regularly donates blood, blood plasma, or bone marrow, as well as those who elect to become organ donors.

Sponsor Feedback: Pending
Status: Awaiting Feedback
98  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: September 2017 Foreign Relations Review (POST HERE DAMN IT!!!) on: October 09, 2017, 03:38:14 am
Quote from: Amendment H8:17 by NC Yankee

All countries designated as having no recognition should be referred to as "The disputed territory known as...".

Sponsor Feedback: Origination
Status: Representatives have 24 hours to object.
99  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: Return Education To the Regions Act (Debating) on: October 09, 2017, 03:36:37 am
Quote from: Amendment H8:16 by NC Yankee
Return Education To the Regions Act

Section 1 (Overview)
i. Regional Government will be tasked with creating a  framework for educational funding and curriculum. No reductions in Federal funding will occur before the first day of the Fiscal Year of 2018.
ii. Regional Governments must guarantee and maintain access to free public schooling for grades K-12 for all school aged Atlasian citizens and permanent residents residing in their Region.

Section 2 (Curriculum)
i. While Regions will be able to create their own education curriculum, they must include the following courses or sections in their curriculum.  
(a) English:Grades 1-12
(b) Math:Grades 1-12
(c) Career Course: Grades 9-12

Section 3 (Spending Cuts)
i. Effective with the commencement of the Fiscal Year of 2018, 25% of the Sub-department of Education's operating budget, which includes personnel and administrative expenses will be cut. The remaining money freed by this bill 25% cut will go to will be appropriated towards updating educational equipment in the top 50 poorest school districts, based on whose equipment is most in need of updating.
ii. The need shall be determined by a formula calculated by the Sub-department of Education, within the Department of Internal Affairs, who shall be in charge with administering the distribution of the funds.
iii. If the funds provided satisfy 100% of the need in the above mentioned districts, then any remaining funds shall be appropriated towards school building repairs and expansion in those same districts.

Section 4 (Implementation)
i. This bill shall go into effect with the Fiscal Year of 2018.

Sponsor Feedback: Pending
Status: Waiting for Feedback/Vote in 24 hrs if it is not forthcoming.
100  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HB 1160: Federal Drug Policy Reform Act (Debating) on: October 09, 2017, 03:26:35 am
How are the different schedules handled in terms of penalties?
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