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76  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: October 2017 - Southern Senate Election (Class I) on: October 15, 2017, 02:11:32 am



SOUTHERN SENATOR
CLASS I



[ 1 ] Write-in: Spiral______ of ______
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[ 2 ] Write-in: Vern1988_____ of ______
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[ 3 ] Write-in: Haslam2020______ of ______
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[ 4 ] Write-in: NC Yankee_____ of ______
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77  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: MO-SEN 2018: The Megathread on: October 15, 2017, 12:49:55 am
Because Bannon is not stupid. He realizes what happened in 2012 and that if someone other than Akin was the nominee, ACA repeal would have passed. All are also well aware of Claire's love to meddle in the GOP primary.


So that is why they are uniting behind Hawley and clearing the field.

78  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Polling / Re: State polls by age on: October 15, 2017, 12:01:05 am
The exit polls are reasonably accurate, and there are a couple strong trends:

-The age gap is much smaller in states that trended towards Trump and much larger in states that trended towards Clinton.  This is particularly evident in Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Kentucky, and Maine, which all had some form of "reverse age gaps", with youngs being more Republican than olds.

-The age gap is also much smaller in very white states and larger in states with lots of minorities (particularly lots of Hispanics).  What is likely happening is that, in very white states, the youngest voters are a lot more demographically similar to the oldest ones (it may also be true in states like Alabama, Mississippi, and Arkansas, where the white-black ratio has pretty much remained constant and that have no real trendy areas, although none of those were exit polled).  In states like Arizona and Texas, even if the youngest whites voted exactly like the oldest whites, there would still be a pretty significant age gap due to demographics, so that is important to keep in mind.

I would love to see accurate data breaking down MS Whites down by age.

MS Whites 65 and up are probably voting close to 90% Republican, while those under 50 are probably in the mid 60's.

I ran some numbers the other day. Just a slight 5% increase in AA turnout, and Whites voting 75% Republican!, would put the Republicans below 50% in MS.
79  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Budget Process committee (Template Vote, 48 hours!) on: October 14, 2017, 11:32:55 pm
Is Gas above $2.50 a gallon?
80  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: General Senate Discussion on: October 14, 2017, 11:28:22 pm
Thanks for the explanation.

I disagree that the thread is obsolete. The title could be changed to Senate and House or Nyman general discussion. The question involved the Senate so it was the right place to ask.

The question was not directed at one individual. Anybody could have replied with the information (white house, senators, house members, Cabinet) and it's better to do it in public rather than pm so everyone can learn how things work.

This thread is to favor citizen participation. It would be a mistake to remove it since public participation is already low. I don't know if it's too much to ask for some federal officeholders to check this thread from time to time to see citizens comments, concerns and questions.   

I didn't say remove it, I said remove and replace with one for both houses. Tongue Please come down off your high horse long enough to read what I said, and not what you want to think I said.

Creating a new thread would also draw attention to the fact that it has been updated and therefore people should pay attention to it.
81  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: The probability that the Democratic nominee wins all counties in New England on: October 14, 2017, 11:15:23 pm
0%

Unless Trump isn't the nominee (which I doubt at this point), he's going to carry ME-02, albeit by a much reduced margin...which should provide no coattails for Poliquin.

Trump is not going to carry ME-02 in 2020.

Please stop pretending that Maine trending so hard in 2016 is permanent trends.

Should we have ignored West Virginia in 2000-2012? Maine is very demographically similar to WV. Extremely white, rural, and working class

Of course the key thing missing in this analogy is "war on coal" that Fox News hyped for a decade before it finally started to destroy the Dems in Appalachia. There isn't something similar to that in ME-02, let alone ME-02 being much more irreligious than West Virginia.

It does/did have lumbering industries.

Maine is also historically both protectionist and hostile to immigration and those two issues define Trumpism far more so then religion. Rural ME is far more likely to reflect old school New England political calculus, then Vermont or even New Hampshire (b/c of in migration from other states). And that is why it witnessed such a large shift towards the Republicans in 2016.



82  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Seriously, Newsweek? on: October 14, 2017, 09:53:51 pm
Hastert led the 'Do Nothing Congress', I don't think this is the guy you'd pick to lecture Trump and the GOP about legislative accomplishments.

That is because Hastert was nothing but a front man for Tom Delay. Once Delay was gone, Hastert was worthless.
83  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Budget Process committee (Template Vote, 48 hours!) on: October 14, 2017, 09:04:34 pm
I remove obvious pre-reset stuff but I might have missed some stuff.


I would also note there is a littanny of stuff in the corporate Tax Reform bill that is going to make just taxes portion of this a nightmare.
84  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: The Budget Process committee (getting started) on: October 14, 2017, 09:03:43 pm
Actually lets start with taxes

Quote from: Inserting Current Taxes into the template
               
Income Taxes:                     
 by tax bracket (Same as IRL Rates)
 0-13K          10%
 13K-50k       15%                  
 50K-130K     25%                         
 130K-210K      28%                       
 210K-413K    33%                          
 413K-441K  35%                       
 441K+     39.6%                       
               
                  
Corporate Taxes:                    
 rates (Corporate Tax Reform Bill of 2016)               
 0-100K      0%                  
 100K-1M     15%                  
 1M-10M      21.5%                  
 10M+           28%                       
                                 
                  
Healthcare Taxes                   
 Healthcare Payroll Tax  (R&RPHA Part 1, Sec. 2.3.e)                  
5% (2.5% on employees, 2.5% on employers)
               
ACA Originated Taxes (R&RPHA Part 1, Sec. 2.3.e):
40% Cadillac Tax (dollar amount cost of plans above $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for families, starts in 2020)
0.9% Payroll Tax
3.8% on Net Investment Income  
Excise taxes on health insurance providers,
pharmaceuticals, and medical devices                         
                  
Excise Taxes   $                  
  Gasoline Tax  (23 cents/gallon Gas Tax Act)                          
 Cigarette and Tobacco Taxes                       
    ()*                    
 Alcohol Tax        ()*                    
                   
               
                                                                
Special Program Taxes:                                   
                           
                  
Customs Duties:                   
                  
Other Revenue (Sales, Earnings, Fees, Etc.)                  
                  
                  
Total Revenue    

Budget Update: Part 2A - Tax Credits         
         
Dependent Child Tax Credit                     
Education Tax Credits                       
   Higher Education                              
   Elementary/Secondary                            
Earned Income Tax Credit                         
Adoption and Foster Care Credit                     
Corporate Clean Energy Credit                   
Alternate Energy R&D Credits                     
Nuclear Waste Reprocessing Credit             
Public Transportation Tax Credit              
First-time Homebuyer Credit                       
Retirement Savings Credits                        
Individual Business Credits                         
Foreign Tax Credit    
Prescription Drug Tax Credit (R&RPHA Part 1, Sec. 2.4)                              
85  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: Having More Donors Is Good Act (Amendment at Vote) on: October 14, 2017, 08:10:32 pm
Quote from: Amendment H8:18 by NC Yankee
Section 2, Clause 3 Shall be inserted and read as follows:

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Part II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Reforming and Regionalizing Public Healthcare Act of 2017 shall be inserted to read as follows:
5. AtlasCare shall be authorized to offer a premium discount to its enrolled membership who regularly donates blood, blood plasma, or bone marrow, as well as those who elect to become organ donors.

Sponsor Feedback: None Given
Status: A vote is now open on the above Amendment, Representatives please vote, Aye, Nay or Abstain.
86  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Why do we have so many deplorables and nutjobs getting nominated these days? on: October 14, 2017, 07:41:18 pm
The situation at present is entirely one of the GOP's establishment's creation.


The Republicans do not trust and in effect, their their own politicians. This is why RinoTom's argument on trade citing the "majority of elected Republicans" to deflect the transition on trade rings hollow. Republicans do not like and in effect, hate their own elected leaders and politicians.


You have, as always people who want to benefit from a power standpoint on all sides of this equation. You can stand in the way and cause nothing to get done and be a hero in establishment circles (Murkowski and Collins). You can stand in a way and cause nothing to get done and be a hero to the base (Ted Cruz and Rand Paul).

During the Bush years, you had a very top down run Party, where Bush set the agenda and Delay enforced discipline and if you weren't a team player, you wouldn't get fundraising and you wouldn't get your pork. They were determined to get stuff done and they did, but in the process that ran rough shod over the budget, over state's rights (education) and over honesty and competence in government. The end result was a mess of corruption and incompetence (Iraq and Katrina) and the end result was the Democrats taking over, by what was a perceived abandonment of values and core principles. The Republicans have had an internal revolution occurring since 2007, when the base went to the barricades essentially to demand that the 2007 immigration bill be killed. Romney and then Trump in turn were nominated largely because of that anger and their understanding of its priority in terms of concerns.

But you have many issues and it is easy for someone on a quest for power, to then take advantage of that ride anger, or stir it up in a place where it has never existed before. You have had people essentially turn this into a business model, and that is especially the case with Rand Paul and Ted Cruz. Where every issue is an attempt by them to label even the slightest hint of compromise as the latest corrupt betrayal of the average joe at the hands of powerful people. But that is a dangerous game and especially so if you misunderstand your own voters and as the last election showed, many of these small government zealots do not in fact, understand their own voters. That is why Rand Paul and Ted Cruz are not President right now.

The Republican Party attracts glory hounds that seek personal aggrandizement. Many of its current officeholders are these types of people, and many of the establishment are just as bad on that score. And both sides of the equation are rife with cowardice as they will set lose pandora's box, but will never have the balls to stand up and call out the mess that it has created. The establishment was just as eager to "cash-in" as self-promoters were and they are just as, if not more responsible, for this situation coming into place.

Why do you have these people getting nominated, because there opposition sucks. Luther Strange is corrupt Southern Politics at its finest. But you see there you have the problem. There were alternatives that could have been selected. But the establishment rallied around the corrupt sleaze-ball who got his seat through shady means, the base rallied around Roy Moore, those two were the top two finishers and so you had a runoff. Criminally corrupt v. Extremism!

Kind of like MO in 2012. You had three solid conservatives running, but the socially conservative faction wanted their guy uber alles and the Dems wanted likewise. So Todd Akin got the nomination and lost by 16 points while the two alternatives probably would have won and cast a deciding vote for ACA repeal. Someone had misplaced priorities.

When the tea party first emerged, it was of course the perfect opportunity for fringe types to become relevant. To mount the horse and become the champion slaying the incumbent dragon. That is how you got Angle and O'Donnell. Because at the end of the day, the base hates their own party's officeholders.

87  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: Enceladus Mission Probe Funding (Debating) on: October 14, 2017, 07:12:09 pm
Let's get this funded through our space program

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/nasa_fy2016_afr_508.pdf


This rather long pdf contains information from the fy2016 NASA spending. Since we are presently operating under FY 2016 funding levels, this would be accurate as it relates to Atlasia.
88  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: Return Education To the Regions Act (Amendment at Vote) on: October 14, 2017, 07:05:27 pm
This has enough votes to pass, Representatives have 24 hours to change their votes.
89  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: The College for All Act (Debating) on: October 14, 2017, 07:02:55 pm
Quote from: Amendment offerred
SECTION 1. TITLE

This legislation may be cited as the College For All Act Expanding College Access Act.

This still doesn't change the fact that is bill is un-funded, by the way. Tongue
90  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: The College for All Act (Debating) on: October 14, 2017, 07:01:09 pm
I support this change to get it passed.


I'll support this

All I did was post the current text. Tongue 

91  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: Reintroduction of Top Secret Classification Act (Debating) on: October 14, 2017, 06:59:26 pm
Are there any other amendments forthcoming on the bill for the purposes of effectuating this archiving process at this juncture?
92  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: Reintroduction of Top Secret Classification Act (Debating) on: October 14, 2017, 06:57:55 pm
Quote from: Current Text
Reintroduction of Top Secret Classification Act
Section 1. The Game Moderator, or the officer acting in such capacity,shall have power to at their discretion classify documents and other intelligence of their genesis as "Top Secret" for the purpose of dissemination of information of vital national security or economic importance; and all such documents and intelligence so classified, shall henceforth be referred to as "classified material" or "classified correspondence" for the purposes of this Act.

Section 2. Classified correspondence must be clearly marked as "Top Secret" in the subject line of the message.

Section 3. Classified material may only be conferred, whether in full form or in summary, to the President, the Vice President, officers of the Cabinet and of the National Security Council, the Deputy Game Moderator and to all other persons to whom the Game Moderator (or officer so acting) should so design to confer them; and all such persons must be named by the Game Moderator (or officer so acting) in the body of the original message, or else in subsequent correspondence.  Classified material may also be delivered to the Justices and Associate Justices of the Supreme Court and to trial juries as necessitated for the just prosecution of cases outlined by this Act.

Section 4. Material classified as "Top Secret" by the Game Moderator (or by the officer so acting) shall remain so classified until issuance of a countervailing order by the same, or until 180 days from their classification.

Section 5. It shall be punishable under federal Law for any person entrusted with classified material to reveal that information to an individual not named under Section 3 of this Act.
(a) This crime shall be tried as though it were a crime under the Consolidated Criminal Justice Act.
(b) Use of classified material as evidence in such cases shall be revealed and discussed in private among the presiding Justice, Counsel and the jury, where applicable.
(c) Sentencing of the crime shall be by the presiding Justice; they may sentence the guilty party for up to, but not exceeding, a two month ban from voting and a four month ban from holding any office under the Republic of Atlasia.
93  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: ME GOV 2018: Does Susan Collins run? on: October 14, 2017, 06:51:03 pm
Booooo.

She's too liberal for my tastes on both social and economic issues. Maine, also usually alters between the two parties for Governor (like Michigan), so I think the race is Lean (or even Likely) D.

Depending on the alternatives, Maine is a far less suitable place to be rino safaring incumbents for hard core conservatives. There are many places where such can be done and not just hand a seat to the Democrats.
94  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: NC-GOV 2020: McCrory considering second run on: October 14, 2017, 06:46:44 pm
He won't make it to the primaries. Republicans always remember him as the guy who brought an economic plague on the state.

You must be confusing McCrory with Bev Perdue.

I don't disagree with the economics impacts of HB2, but had the Gubernatorial race turned on the economic situation, McCrory would have won a landslide reelection victory. Of course there were a lot of policies I disagreed with in terms of the state legislature, which I would note is still present in NC and still has the upper hand in governing NC because of its large majorities. The simple fact is that McCrory took the fall for the State legislature's extremism, and that State legislature is still in power with the same leadership (minus Tillis of course) who have dominated state politics since 2011 (regardless of who has been Governor).

95  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HR 1161: Congressional Procedure Amendment (Final Vote) on: October 14, 2017, 05:56:53 pm
AYE
96  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: October 2017 Federalist Party Convention - VOTING NOW!!! on: October 13, 2017, 04:01:29 am
We should like, hold a vote on changing colors IMO

Orange-Red is so 2012

Now you are just being petty. Tongue Orangered is the color of the morning sun in all its glory, and perfectly demonstrates our desire for a country with a bright and prosperous future built on individual choice, free market options and less centralized control of the economy and government.
I guess you could say it's the dawn of a new era then Wink

Glad you have come around to my line of thinking. Tongue
no I mean I want a new color lol

Considering how such decision making historically have not ended up well for party unity, I would strongly recommend such not be considered until after the elections.

Frankly I think it is ridiculous to change such an identifying factor considering how strongly the party is associated with orange and orange-red. The color also has a historic association with representative democracy, separation of powers and enshrining natural rights, all three of which are base elements and core principles, long held and fought for as well as enshrined in the new simplified platform being voted on.

I would also point out the Party also utilizes, green, purple and base orange in multiple instances including for the Federalist Caucuses. The former two are colors of our legacy parties, the Imperial Bloc and Whigs, whose merger formed the Party. Such have long been used as alternates and are present on the ballot.

Edit: Just realized I left blank the greed coded text, stating what the Primary was for. I just filled it in.
97  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: HOUSE BILL: The College for All Act (Debating) on: October 13, 2017, 03:47:29 am
Quote from: Current Text
SECTION 1. TITLE

This legislation may be cited as the College For All Act.

SECTION 2. ESTABLISHMENT OF FEDERAL TUITION GRANT PROGRAM

a. The federal government shall hereby authorize such sums as may be necessary to provide, in each region, for the elimination of tuition and required fees for all working and middle-class students currently enrolled or planning to enroll in a 2-year community college in the region in which the individual is currently a resident.

   i. “Working and middle-class students” is defined as those dependent students whose parents’ adjusted gross income for the most recent taxable year is equal to or less than $125,000, as well as those independent students whose adjusted gross income is equal to or less than $125,000 for the most recent taxable year.
b. In pursuance of this goal, each region shall be eligible to receive a monetary grant equivalent to 67 percent of the amount required to eliminate tuition and fees, conditional upon the provision of regional funds to eliminate 33 percent of tuition and fees.
   i. “The amount required to eliminate tuition and fees” shall be equivalent to the number of full-time equivalent eligible students enrolled in all community colleges, multiplied by the amount of expenditures per full-time equivalent eligible student necessary to eliminate tuition and required fees.
   ii. These figures shall be adjusted annually in accordance with growth in the National Average Wage Index.

SECTION 3. PROGRAM CONDITIONS

a. In order to be eligible to receive grants under this legislation, regions must ensure that public institutions of higher education maintain expenditures on education per full-time equivalent student at levels that are equal to or exceed the expenditures on education for the 2016-17 school year.
   i. “Expenditures on education” shall include expenditures on instruction, operating expenditures, and both regional and institutional expenditures on need-based financial aid programs.
b. In order to be eligible to receive grants under this legislation, regions must further ensure that, within 5 years, not less than 75 percent of instruction at public institutions of higher education is provided by tenured or tenure-track faculty.
c. Excess funding under this legislation may be used on any programs that improve instructional quality and academic outcomes, including additional need-based student financial aid, additional course offering, increased hiring of full-time and tenure-track faculty, and academic support services. No funding under this legislation may be used for capital outlays, administrative salaries, or expenditures on athletics.
d. Adoption of regional policies designed to deliberately reduce enrollment in public institutions of higher education shall result in the forfeiture of all grants under this legislation.
e. Students who achieved a high school 2.5 GPA out of 4.0 or an equivalent and registered 80% attendance or above, with an exception for extenuating medical or family purposes as certified by administrators, shall be eligible for this program
98  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: October 2017 Federalist Party Convention - VOTING NOW!!! on: October 13, 2017, 03:31:18 am
We should like, hold a vote on changing colors IMO

Orange-Red is so 2012

Now you are just being petty. Tongue Orangered is the color of the morning sun in all its glory, and perfectly demonstrates our desire for a country with a bright and prosperous future built on individual choice, free market options and less centralized control of the economy and government.
I guess you could say it's the dawn of a new era then Wink

Glad you have come around to my line of thinking. Tongue
99  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Government / Re: SENATE BILL: September 2017 Foreign Relations Review (Debating) on: October 13, 2017, 03:15:44 am
Europe   Bulgaria   Normal but we are concerned about issues concerning criminal justice and freedom of religion   
What exactly is the problem with religious freedom?


Probably this:
Quote
There were reports of societal abuses or discrimination based on religious affiliation, belief, or practice. Discrimination, harassment, and general public intolerance of some religious groups remained an intermittent problem. There was an increasing number of anti-Semitic incidents and vandalism against mosques.
https://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/2010_5/168301.htm
100  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: TN-SEN: Corker retiring on: October 13, 2017, 03:07:19 am
The way this works is for repeat of 2006 primary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Tennessee,_2006

Corker won with just 48%.

And 2010 Governor Primary:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_gubernatorial_election,_2010

Haslam won with just 47%

The key in both was you had two very Conservative candidates running. One from the East and one from the West, splitting the Conservative vote and allowing the more moderate candidate to win in both instances.

In order for another Chattanooga or Knoxville moderate to pull this off, there would need to be a far right candidate from the East jump in as well and split right-wing vote with Blackburn.  
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