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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: BREAKING: Mueller report has been delivered to AG Barr on: Today at 12:32:59 am
Rachel Maddow was openly crying tonight on her show that Trump is likely not going to be implicated in the Mueller probe.

That is sick partisanship.

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Good CS Lewis quote
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Beto O’Rourke 2020 campaign announcement megathread on: March 22, 2019, 09:41:44 pm
https://www.thedailybeast.com/beto-orourke-was-rare-vote-against-tough-on-russia-bills-after-invasion-of-ukraine

Beto's terrible foreign policy history finally getting some mainstream attention, even if it is a bit of a rag.

in b4 beto compromised by russia
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Mike Gravel forms exploratory committee on: March 22, 2019, 06:25:59 pm


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This primary just keeps getting better and better
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Can Democrats win the white vote in Arizona? on: March 22, 2019, 06:02:59 pm
If AZ white vote D, the Dems will be winning the state by close to ten points.
5  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Harris , Gillibrand and Warren endorse packing the Supreme Court on: March 22, 2019, 12:46:43 pm
The only sustainable path forward is deescalation and devolution. We need to return control of most policies to the state level. It's not ideal--I'd rather a more unitary system--but the fact is that we're proving that we as a people can not be responsible and respectful with such totalizing power. We cling to every slight grievance in perpetuity as a foundation to justify taking everything at any cost. The only way to thwart this is to depower the prize everyone fights so viciously for.

I agree, as soon as we’ve packed the court with young liberal justices, it’s important to start descalating the judicial wars.  Republicans should lead by example.

This is the exact sort of partisan grievance mentality I mentioned.
6  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: John Hickenlooper Watched X-Rated Movie with his Mom on: March 22, 2019, 12:38:34 pm
About as interesting as the time Beto tried to get his wife to eat baby poop.
7  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: Change Research: Trump -1 to -5 on: March 22, 2019, 09:09:34 am
The only number that matters is Trump being stuck at 46-47%, the Generic Dem is +5.

Which is the same or better than 2016

47% isnt enough to win without a strong third party performance.

And that will entirely depend upon who the Dems nominate.
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: Change Research: Trump -1 to -5 on: March 21, 2019, 07:57:24 pm
The only number that matters is Trump being stuck at 46-47%, the Generic Dem is +5.

Which is the same or better than 2016
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What would a Trump vs. Buttigieg map be like? on: March 21, 2019, 12:15:19 am
Sorry, but a weird-named gay mayor of some town most people have never heard of would get steamrolled by Trump
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Harris , Gillibrand and Warren endorse packing the Supreme Court on: March 20, 2019, 04:50:59 pm
The only sustainable path forward is deescalation and devolution. We need to return control of most policies to the state level. It's not ideal--I'd rather a more unitary system--but the fact is that we're proving that we as a people can not be responsible and respectful with such totalizing power. We cling to every slight grievance in perpetuity as a foundation to justify taking everything at any cost. The only way to thwart this is to depower the prize everyone fights so viciously for.
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Mike Gravel forms exploratory committee on: March 20, 2019, 03:09:07 pm
Wouldn't be surprised if he makes a speech at the convention.

The nomination acceptance speech, that is.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Mike Gravel forms exploratory committee on: March 20, 2019, 03:00:08 pm
Finally, a good candidate.
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: O'Rourke/Klobuchar on: March 19, 2019, 05:23:53 pm
I'm not sure the party will be satisfied with an all-white ticket

Yeah for the last time the party had an all white ticket you'd have to go all the way back to...2016.

Which is exactly why the base doesn't want one this time around
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential General Election Polls / Re: Emerson national: Trump -10 to +2 on: March 19, 2019, 05:10:18 pm
Eh, I really don’t see how any Democrat loses the PV in 2020. That said, if this is accurate (big if), only Biden would win in the EC.

I actually think it means a very narrow Harris win as well. +4 should win hef MI and PA.

Maybe, but I doubt a Harris +4 looks like a Clinton +4. Harris probably outperforms Clinton in CA, for starters.
15  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: O'Rourke/Klobuchar on: March 19, 2019, 04:29:15 pm
I'm not sure the party will be satisfied with an all-white ticket
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton/Trump congressional districts ? on: March 19, 2019, 03:51:29 pm
Maybe that one upstate New York district that Clinton won, but solidly voted for its Republican incumbent? I don't remember what number it was off the top of my head.

NY-24
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Clinton/Trump congressional districts ? on: March 19, 2019, 03:30:35 pm
Operating under the 2020-will-continue-2016 theory, here are CDs which swung big toward Trump but didn't quite make it over the hump last time (Clinton <52%):

CT-02
FL-13
MI-05
NH-02
NV-04
NY-24
OH-13
OR-04
PA-07*
RI-02
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: How would a Biden/Abrams joint campaign ticket go over? on: March 19, 2019, 12:21:18 pm
Biden always has the black vote well in hand. A Hispanic running mate would serve him better.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Describe a voter who votes for the Green Party ticket over Bernie on: March 19, 2019, 12:19:17 pm
Former hippie who thinks the two-party system is, like, a prison for your mind, man.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Harris , Gillibrand and Warren endorse packing the Supreme Court on: March 19, 2019, 12:18:14 pm
Good thing none of those three will be President.
21  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Media and it's role in Mass Casualty Gun Attacks on: March 18, 2019, 10:22:44 pm
Similarly: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0047272717301214
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Beto O’Rourke 2020 campaign announcement megathread on: March 18, 2019, 03:00:09 pm
Ill vote for Beto....but he'd better pack the SCOTUS

Beto (along with Biden) is probably the least likely to court pack.
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: That time President 44 met President 46 on: March 18, 2019, 11:20:45 am
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24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Beto O’Rourke 2020 campaign announcement megathread on: March 17, 2019, 05:43:27 pm
The party of inclusivity. Purple heart



Attacking Beto and his drunk driving issues is fine, but bringing his heritage into it, not so much. Very typical, GOP party leadership continuing to be gutter garbage as usual.

His Irish heritage wouldn't be notable if he didn't try to pass himself off as Hispanic via a nickname which was intentionally contrived to make him more electable in El Paso:

In the backdrop of the city's multicultural community, his father, Pat O'Rourke, a consummate politician, once explained why he nicknamed his son Beto: Nicknames are common in Mexico and along the border, and if he ever ran for office in El Paso, the odds of being elected in this mostly Mexican-American city were far greater with a name like Beto than Robert Francis O'Rourke.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Beto O’Rourke 2020 campaign announcement megathread on: March 17, 2019, 03:57:03 pm
The two most important states in 2020 will be Florida & Wisconsin. If Beto were to become the nominee I'd like to see him pick the man who came within half a percent of winning the race for governor of Florida, Andrew Gillum. Together, they would comprise a talented (and both youthful and highly energetic) team. Of course, the primary thing lacking on this ticket would be a woman. Amendment 4 (Voting Rights Restoration) having been passed and now implemented in Florida, could create a situation where a narrow loss in '18 becomes a narrow win in '20. Beto would need to constantly campaign in Wisconsin and Gillum would need to double down on Florida. WINNING EITHER STATE SHOULD BE ENOUGH (OVER 270 ELECTORS) TO SEND THEM TO THE WHITE HOUSE. YOUTHFUL AND ENERGETIC DEM TICKETS WIN!

Picking Gillum would be a good way to ensure Trump wins Florida.
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