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76  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Sen. Rubio: Communist West Point graduate should be booted from military on: October 06, 2017, 10:17:45 am
If there's something I envy about the United States, it's the zero tolerance for Communism.

Not our tolerance for free speech protecting divergent viewpoints? Sad.
77  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Brietbart and Milo caught working with Neo-Nazis on: October 06, 2017, 10:16:18 am
78  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Angry Republican donors turn off the taps on: October 06, 2017, 10:12:49 am
Good.  They shouldn't reward the GOP for doing nothing.

Maybe this'll force McConnell and Ryan to do something.

I think it's important to differentiate between just doing something and doing something good.

That's what I'm referring to: tax reform and a truly acceptable replacement to Obamacare.

Increasing the deficit with wasteful spending in the form of tax cuts for the wealthiest 3% Americans are not "tax reform" (I assume this is what you're referring to because that's all congressional Republicans have shown any interest in regarding taxes and that's if you're being generous to them).  I'm also not sure what would lead one to believe that the Republicans are interested in doing anything with healthcare except going back to the way things were before Obamacare (which by the way had been the Republican healthcare plan for quite a while which is why you guys have had such a hard time coming up with a conservative alternative: Obamacare was the conservative healthcare plan, you guys just did a 180 on it because "Obama is teh evulz"). 

This times 10. Kasich 2020
79  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What did Trump mean?.... on: October 06, 2017, 10:10:49 am
2 and 4

I hope. As the other most likely alternative is North Korea, which would almost surely be an Armageddon.
80  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Kasich threatens to leave GOP on: October 05, 2017, 09:17:13 pm
If he runs against Trump, I will SERIOUSLY consider taking a few weeks off work to go stump in NH for him.
81  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Recent bans on: October 05, 2017, 09:13:40 pm
Sock check on that Daniel909012 guy?
He's been looked at.

How about that mental health check, though?
82  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: What are you listening to? on: October 05, 2017, 09:04:55 pm
Best of Wes Montgomery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU3OwXyL5R8&t=243s
83  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Expect Russian Meddling in 2018 Midterm Elections on: October 05, 2017, 07:52:55 pm
Getting a foreign power to help you defeat an internal enemy is not ''unpatriotic''. History is full of examples of this.

What the Flaming f*** are you talking about? That is the definition of treason!!
84  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Marty Memorial for Absurd & Ignorant Posts VII on: October 04, 2017, 11:54:23 pm
If alcohol were to completely go away, 90% of society's problems would be instantly cured.  In an ideal world, alcohol should be illegal, but I think that we would have had to do that in the 1700s or 1800s and that the negative externalities of doing that today would outweigh the benefits.

Came here to post this ... glad I don't have these types of friends, LOL.

Isn't this guy like 15 or something? It's a natural view for some kid who hasn't had his first beer yet.

This....

I felt similar to ExtremeConservative when I was 15
or so and now it's some 30 years later and have a very different POV....

Would be happy to buy any Atlas poster that turns 21 their first beer if they are in the neighborhood and discuss politics, precinct level results from various states/cities/counties, and all sorts of other Atlas Geek-o-Rama that we wrangle about on a daily basis.

Not a big fan of Prohibition policies at all, since addicts and alcoholics will always find a means to obtain their drug of choice... Not even going to mention the whole black market deal that comes with these types of policy positions and causes all sorts of violence to secure illegal markets, and won't even go into the benefit to State/County/Local governments when it comes to taxable revenue generated in the form of "Sin Taxes" on items such as Cigs, Alcohol, and Recreational MJ (In States where it is legal).

Trying to legislate public morality has always been a bad idea within the United States, on so many items, which is part of reason I consider myself a Social Libertarian.

I am 21 and am proud to say that I have never had a drink and never will.  I think a few posters mix me up with some younger posters for some reason.

Some reason perhaps being your chronic lack of maturity in posting?
85  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The Marty Memorial for Absurd & Ignorant Posts VII on: October 04, 2017, 11:49:23 pm
If alcohol were to completely go away, 90% of society's problems would be instantly cured.  In an ideal world, alcohol should be illegal, but I think that we would have had to do that in the 1700s or 1800s and that the negative externalities of doing that today would outweigh the benefits.

Came here to post this ... glad I don't have these types of friends, LOL.

Isn't this guy like 15 or something? It's a natural view for some kid who hasn't had his first beer yet.

This....

I felt similar to ExtremeConservative when I was 15 or so and now it's some 30 years later and have a very different POV....

Would be happy to buy any Atlas poster that turns 21 their first beer if they are in the neighborhood and discuss politics, precinct level results from various states/cities/counties, and all sorts of other Atlas Geek-o-Rama that we wrangle about on a daily basis.

Not a big fan of Prohibition policies at all, since addicts and alcoholics will always find a means to obtain their drug of choice... Not even going to mention the whole black market deal that comes with these types of policy positions and causes all sorts of violence to secure illegal markets, and won't even go into the benefit to State/County/Local governments when it comes to taxable revenue generated in the form of "Sin Taxes" on items such as Cigs, Alcohol, and Recreational MJ (In States where it is legal).

Trying to legislate public morality has always been a bad idea within the United States, on so many items, which is part of reason I consider myself a Social Libertarian.

Exactly the same as criminals and guns.

Maybe, but which is far, far, far, far, FAR more legal?
86  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of this type of dancing on: October 04, 2017, 11:48:19 pm
For reference, JA actually thought the pics from this Tumblr (no real nudity so SFW) WERE UGLY, WTF

Damn right, who wants to see freaking feet?? GTFO

Her feet are HOT

Disgusting.

F#$king weirdo
87  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I'm Back! on: October 04, 2017, 11:45:52 pm
Welcome back, man!
88  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: If the Mayor of Minneapolis came out against BRTD would it help her politically? on: October 04, 2017, 11:44:09 pm
Jesus, just take out your penises and compare them already.

Chances are, somewhere in an alternate universe, men actually do this on a regular basis.

"Alternate"?
89  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Why is ghostmonkey/Thomas Jackson completely ignored by the mods? on: October 04, 2017, 11:24:40 pm
It makes no difference. As I've posted a few times tonight the problem is Nym has abdicated his role as Modadmin as well as his balls.
90  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Voting rights bills and lawsuits megathread (Updated: September 24th) on: October 04, 2017, 11:22:14 pm
Is there a reason no one's banned Krazen yet?

Oh yeah, Nym.
91  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Who or what Hillary has blamed for her loss. So far. on: October 04, 2017, 11:17:27 pm
Clinton campaign ignored Billís advice and felt white working class voters werenít worth the time.

Herein lies the real reason Hillary lost.  

She ignored white working class voters, took them for granted in key states, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin.

Trump acknowledged their plight and said he would take action.

Hillary's own vanity and pride was her downfall.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/11/13/losers-clinton-campaign-ignored-bills-advice-and-felt-white-working-class-voters-werent-worth-the-time-n2245095

The vain, prideful people are the pampered, fickle voters in the Rust Belt who got their fee-fees hurt by Hillary not campaigning in their town (as she, along with Trump, did not for well over 90% of Americans) and spitefully decided not to vote for her. Nobody needs a personal visit to find out about candidates in 2016, and those of us who don't have #SwingStatePrivilege somehow manage to make a non-petty choice every 4 years anyway.
Darn those voters for choosing a man who actually spoke to them and their concerns and didn't take them for granted. To argue that the average rust belt voter, the people hammered after years of big-government policies, should have sucked it up, and gone along with the anointment of Queen Hillary, is frankly ludicrous. It wasn't just that she didn't campaign in their towns; it was that she ignored them and the issues important to them.

The voters didn't chose Trump by a margin of almost 3 million. Just a reminder.

That post was only referring to the rustbelt, not the country as a whole, and we don't use the NPV to decide things.

Really Wulfric? Well that sure explains a lot. Thanks!
92  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump to hurricane victims: You cost too much, and Katrina was worse on: October 04, 2017, 11:16:02 pm
He is incapable of empathy. He feels nothing for individuals other than himself. Everytime he has to console Americans he is improvising which is why it looks so awkward and stilted.

People will forgive his lack of empathy if he can demonstrate competence in all of this.

I have worked as a Substance Abuse Counselor.  Indeed, I have been credentialed to supervise other counselors.  I remember one of my trainers who taught a workshop on group therapy once discussed the qualities of a counselor and the discussion shifted to the issue of empathy.  Empathy, of course, is a big deal in a number of schools of counseling, and especially with those adherents of Carl Rogers' theories.  (Substance Abuse Counseling was overrun with Rogerians when I worked as a counselor.) 

My trainer then suggested that if he had to project one quality to clients, it would be competence, and not empathy.  This rocked a number of worlds in the class, but he explained his point of view by reminding the class that their clients were folks in crisis; that's why they were in treatment.  When folks are in crisis, they need to know what to DO, and they need to DO it, regardless of their level of efficacy at it.  Who are they most willing to follow; someone who is empathic, or someone who projects knowing what they're doing.  This made a lot of sense to me; when in crisis, I was always more willing to listen to the unpleasant if the person pointing out the unpleasant offered a way out.

Trump's problem isn't that he isn't empathic.  Trump's problem is that his sideshows diminish his ability to project competence at a time when lots of folks need that rojection.

I hear what you're saying, FB.

Trump's biggest problem is even WITHOUT the distraction of his buffoonery, he demonstrates utter incompetence at almost everything he touches. It's like the reverse Midas touch.

His wealth disproves nothing in this regard, IMO. He's broken even with inflation from what he inherited through daddy based on constantly crossing the line from tough knuckled business to outright fraud, combined with pure personal chutzpah and belief in his own infallibility. 

I'm willing to wait a bit to see how this plays out.  Personally, I believe that the Trump's Administrations actions, to date, are a lot better than the image the Administration presents.  If Trump really does use this crisis to resolve Puerto Rico's massive debt crisis, as well as a number of its other ongoing structural problems, the lives of Puerto Ricans living in Puerto Rico will be improved.  And that may well be the outcome.  But, yes, the path to that (if that happy ending does come about) will be littered with the kind of recriminations that seem to come with the territory in everything Trump does.

It would help, of course, if Trump had a filter.  He doesn't, and that is a real problem.

C'mon FB. Would you be willing to bet me your next paycheck that Trump will seriously attempt, let alone succeed in writing off PR's debt? Even if I gave 10-1 odds? Secretary Mnuchin has already walked that claim back. This was another Id to mouth reaction from our Toddler in Chief.

I honestly am sometimes glad Trump has no filter: It let's us all see just how grossly devoid of empathy and basic humanity he is. It took catching Nixon on tape to convince the vast majority of Americans he was a bastard; Trump does it on a near daily basis.
93  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: WP: Russians ID'd propaganda-susceptible voters, used FB tool to influence them on: October 04, 2017, 11:10:41 pm
If your reaction to stories like this is 'who cares' it's a good sign that you also don't care about democracy

What do you want as the end result of all of this? War with Russia? Heavy sanctions?

Move on dude.
Oh spare me that alt-right bs about "oh what you want war Russia" no but that doesn't mean what they are doing can be tolerated. Also let's look at the big picture here a dictator who runs and oligarchical style gov't is backing rabid reactionary RW groups in the West to divide and spilt us up in order to turn democracies in a Eastern Europe into his puppets. This should offend every socalist bone in your body

If your reaction to stories like this is 'who cares' it's a good sign that you also don't care about democracy

What do you want as the end result of all of this? War with Russia? Heavy sanctions?

Move on dude.

The Russians not to do this again in 2020, nor to any other country in the meantime?


Answer this question: What should the 2020 D nominee promise to do about this issue? Don't just say "We need to do something".

Sanction the hell out of Russia. Actually that should've been done in 2014.
Yep

Double yep.
94  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Mueller Advisor Researching Presidential Pardons on: October 04, 2017, 11:09:29 pm
Just like emails, it doesnít matter because heís not Hillary.

Seriously, his supporters wouldnít care if he himself asked Putin to hack the election.
95  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Senate GOP Release Budget Blueprint for Their $1.5 Trillion Tax Cuts on: October 04, 2017, 11:05:12 pm

I suppose you don't want to talk about how the economy was doing when the Bush tax cuts fully took effect circa 2008-2010.



This is at least the second time in the last couple weeks you have tried to connect the Bush tax cuts to the Financial Crisis. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about because those are totally unrelated to each other. Stop.

The Bush Tax cuts were sold as an economic stimulus, which was obviously an epic fail.

It was sold as an economic stimulus to the early 2000s recession , which indeed it was . The 2008 crash still would have happened without the tax cuts , so no the tax cuts and the crash are not related.

You are one delusional spoiled rich kid, know that?
96  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Do you think the attacks on Mayor Carmen Yulin Cruz are inappropriate? on: October 04, 2017, 10:58:42 pm


Why haven't the mods banned this f#$king troll yet?

Oh yeah, because Nym's turned into either an absentee modadmin and/or a huge pussy.
97  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Who or what Hillary has blamed for her loss. So far. on: October 04, 2017, 10:57:38 pm
Clinton campaign ignored Billís advice and felt white working class voters werenít worth the time.

Herein lies the real reason Hillary lost.  

She ignored white working class voters, took them for granted in key states, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin.

Trump acknowledged their plight and said he would take action.

Hillary's own vanity and pride was her downfall.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2016/11/13/losers-clinton-campaign-ignored-bills-advice-and-felt-white-working-class-voters-werent-worth-the-time-n2245095

The vain, prideful people are the pampered, fickle voters in the Rust Belt who got their fee-fees hurt by Hillary not campaigning in their town (as she, along with Trump, did not for well over 90% of Americans) and spitefully decided not to vote for her. Nobody needs a personal visit to find out about candidates in 2016, and those of us who don't have #SwingStatePrivilege somehow manage to make a non-petty choice every 4 years anyway.
Darn those voters for choosing a man who actually spoke to them and their concerns and didn't take them for granted. To argue that the average rust belt voter, the people hammered after years of big-government policies, should have sucked it up, and gone along with the anointment of Queen Hillary, is frankly ludicrous. It wasn't just that she didn't campaign in their towns; it was that she ignored them and the issues important to them.

The voters didn't chose Trump by a margin of almost 3 million. Just a reminder.
98  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: "Both Parties" on: October 04, 2017, 12:38:32 am
So should we say, because of Sanders becoming the face of the party, that Democrats are becoming the face of the extreme left? No, just like we shouldn't say the opposite.

And it's Alabama.  Running someone like Moore against someone like Phil Scott in Vermont isn't going to work.

Bernie is intellectually ideological and that's fine and many may disagree but his ideology is rooted in an intellectually consistent belief in things like social democracy. I disagree with him on several things and I supported Hillary in 2016. But there are essentially 0 Democrats who have an insidious, toxic mere presence in the vein of Trump or Moore. The whole embrace of Trump as the conservative populist savior is intellectually inconsistent and dishonest. It's breathtaking.

Coraxion, genocide deniers The Young Turks, Antifa, and Occupy Wall Street might want to talk to you. Come on - Pramila Jayapal, Ben Jealous, Kshama Sawant, David Zuckerman... A lot of very left wing people are beginning to gain popularity. The Democrats almost elected Keith Ellison as their DNC Chair.

Name one way Keith Ellison is remotely is toxic as a thousand top Republicans from Trump et al other than being from a scary scary religion

Pardon me if I'm distracting from your, I assume clever-as-ever, point, but please don't accuse me of Islamophobia using an implication. I doubt you meant to do so, but please, please don't try that with me.

You are the one that listed Ellison among the supposedly toxic radicals of the democratic party. His voting record it really isn't any more liberal then most of the Congressional Black Caucus and a substantial number of white Democrats as well. So why would you possibly include him on that list. I don't think you even did it intentionally out of personal islamophobia, but I do think you're so affected by this stupid the other side's just as bad argument that you're regurgitating talking points that inevitably do list Ellison because of his religion.

Again, it's your comparison listing him as an example for otherwise in decipherable reasons, and yours alone.
99  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump to forgive all of Puerto Rico's debt??? (can he even do that?) on: October 04, 2017, 12:35:52 am
Ain't going to happen people. Mr. Orange just got excited again and started talking out his ass per usual.
100  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Who or what Hillary has blamed for her loss. So far. on: October 04, 2017, 12:33:56 am
Winfield, what do you blame for Mitt Romney's loss in 2012?  Too many voters turned out to be closeted homosexuals?:

http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=79279.msg1632707#msg1632707

Smiley


Well, I have to say, I am absolutely flattered that you would go back into the archives, dust them off, to find a quote of mine from ancient history.

You will, of course, notice that quote is from the 2008 election.

For 2012, I have never made any excuses for Romney losing the election.

I did say, at some point in the 2012 campaign, that Romney would not win as he tends to be a gaffe machine.  So I found Romney himself to be his own worst enemy on the campaign trail, and more  responsible than anyone else for his loss.

Smiley

But I still believe that Romney would have been a great President.

However, this discussion in this thread is about Hillary, not Mitt.




Winfield, are you just a closet homosexual frustrated by your insecurity over your sexuality and attempting to sound macho by lashing out at Mr. Morden?


Jerry public Winstead it's easy to decipher Winfield's post if you imagine him wearing a monocle. In this instance I hear him periodically shrieking at Mr. morden " oh, listen to her!"
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