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1  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Lumine for Fremont Prime Minister on: November 11, 2017, 05:45:36 pm
You have my full support to lead my old stomping ground out of the criminality and chaos of the disastrous Crooked Harry era.
2  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Lincoln Voting Booth: November 2017 Special Assembly Election on: November 11, 2017, 05:44:29 pm
[1] politicalmasta73
3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Apologies on: October 30, 2017, 06:13:15 pm
Will you be apologising to Potus and myself for the "false and horrible rumors spread by you" during the Federalist primary campaign?
4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Fianna Frťmont ē The People's Party (regional party Ė headquarters) on: October 26, 2017, 12:58:22 pm
Absolutely perfect that a crook has founded a party named after Ireland's natural political home of crooks and corruption.
5  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Office of former Justice Oakvale - Statement on election results. on: October 23, 2017, 03:01:09 pm

Statement on Election Results

I offer my sincere congratulations to President Fhtagn on her comfortable election to a full term in the White House, and to my friend Lumine for his spirited challenge, raising the overlooked issues and crushing the cosy Nyman consensus. He carried forward my banner of radical change and did us all proud.

The utter devastation suffered by the Labor Party should be cause for reflection. I doubt it will, but I hope I am wrong. Atlasia needs multiple competent parties and the collapsing scenery in that neglected and ill-starred party - as much damage as they have been responsible for - is unhealthy for our democracy.

The President will face serious challenges as our nation continues to wallow in malaise. I will help in whatever way I can to address them. There are also political issues that will require courage to confront - will, for example, the disgraced former president Goldwater, be taken to account for his disastrous decision to attack North Korea?

I call on the President and the Congress to move to establish an official enquiry, with powers of subpoena, into how the unilateral and shocking attack on North Korea happened. Who knew? Who should have known? Was there a chain of command? Is the former President guilty of war crimes?

All these questions, and many more, must be answered to restore faith in Atlasian democracy and prevent such disasters from happening again. It will be a healing process for the nation.

For my own part, as the Presidential campaign season ends I will be moving forward with my legal action against several individuals and publications for libel during my campaign for the Federalist nomination. I am currently discussing the case with my attorneys.

6  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Office of former Justice Oakvale - Statement on election results. on: October 23, 2017, 02:53:26 pm


This new office thread will serve as platform for all my public statements and comments as I settle down to work and consider how to continue my mission to restore Atlasian greatness.

I will continue to practice as a senior partner in Kingman-Oakvale & Associates, Atlasia's most accomplished law firm, and am currently working on my long-awaited memoirs of my storied career in Atlasian politics. I also look forward to continuing to be what one might call a helpful nuisance. The towering Federalist Party, which stands on the brink of near-unprecedented absolute power and will, thus, face inevitable headwinds over the coming months. I look forward to new political movements emerging to renew the national debate.

To new beginnings, and whatever the future has in store,

Former Justice Oakvale mulls over his memoirs in his New York office.
7  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: fhtagn/PiT for President/Vice President of Atlasia! (THANK YOU ALL!) on: October 23, 2017, 02:10:34 pm
Congratulations on your impressive victory. While we will doubtless continue to have our differences I am greatly relieved that the ultimate catastrophe of a Truman presidency has been avoided.
8  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: So Labor....(and others involved) on: October 23, 2017, 02:08:58 pm
Labor's fundamental problem was running a crook for President. Crooks have been elected in the past, of course, so I suppose I understand Harry thinking he could pull it off but even the forgiving Atlasian public balked at the gall this time. No one's going to support a fellow who belongs in prison more than he does the White House.
9  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Lincoln Voting Booth: Ocober 2017 on: October 22, 2017, 03:13:18 pm

[1] Write-in: Bore

[2] Write-in: Averroes Nix

[3] Write-in: Polnut

[4] Sparky489


[1] cinyc


[1] ReaganClinton20XX

[2] kyc0705


  • NO.

10  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: October 2017 Federal Election on: October 22, 2017, 02:36:00 pm

[1] Lumine/RPryor

[2] Fhtagan/PiT

[3] LLR/MikeWells


[1] Louiseville
[2] Haslam2020
[3] Pessimistic Antineutrino
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: Lincoln Voting Booth: October 2017 (Draft Restriction Amendment) on: October 07, 2017, 03:18:00 pm
12  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Petition to unban Eharding on: October 05, 2017, 08:07:32 pm
Normally I'd sign this to get him off AAD but as the most Online person on the planet he would just somehow maintain a 24/7 posting habit on both sites.
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Movement to abolish McDonalds (Petition Link Up) on: October 03, 2017, 03:21:11 pm
No one here is going to believe that you haven't got a steady stream of Big Macs clogging your arteries.
14  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Candidate Declaration Thread on: September 23, 2017, 09:49:04 pm
For the avoidance of doubt:

I hereby withdraw my candidacy for the Presidency of Atlasia.
15  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Oakvale/Potus for Atlasia: Concession & endorsement on: September 23, 2017, 09:38:59 pm
Friends -

Well, we fought the good fight, but we have come up short. I acknowledge that the President will be the Federalist nominee, and wish her well. I bear no ill will against her personally.

I knew it would be a Herculean task to win the Federalist nomination against a sitting, popular President. That we could not quite make it across the finish line is a disappointment but no great surprise. I am proud that we stood up for what we believed in, waged an honest campaign, and made our case for why this country needs radical change.

And, yes, yes, recriminations and legal action on the foul campaign against me are a matter for other days. Rest assured that I truly think that the fight was not fair, and I believe my work is not yet done. I am considering legal action against the more foul accusers. More will follow. I must, however, thank former president DFW for his public apology to Potus and I. It showed real character, and I will always appreciate someone admitting when they were wrong.

No matter.

There are so many people that deserve thanks. More than could be listed here. But in particular I want to thank one of our most respected statesmen, Winfield, for his sage advice and counsel. He would have been a vital part of an Oakvale administration. Rpryor, whose help was truly - truly invaluable to our long-shot, dark-horse campaign, and who showed immense courage in supporting us.  Simfan, who has always been a friend and a true Atlasian institution. And Poirot, someone with whom I've had my share of clashes but has always been a voice of outsider integrity, and whose endorsement gave us a boost at a time when we were languishing in obscurity - thank you. It meant the world.

And, most of all, to my partner these last few giddy weeks - former Secretary of State Potus. I will paraphrase the words of better writers - he is the truest friend, he has the farthest vision. He is the greatest man I have ever known.

I very much regret that he will not be the next Vice-President of Atlasia. It is a dire loss to our country. But I know he'll continue to be an essential contributor to the progress of country. I genuinely could not have asked for a better running mate.

Everything I said in my announcement speech, my friends, remains true. Our nation is in crisis. Our regions wither on the vine. Our democratic organs die away before our very eyes. We stand at a stark crossroads. Where we go from here may determine the fate of our country.

I have spent many agonising hours talking with my closest advisors and colleagues on what the correct decision to take now is. One part of me desperately wants to continue my crusade, whatever the odds - I believe now, as I believed just a few short weeks ago, that my vision for Atlasia is the right one, and that an Oakvale presidency would revive the nation and revitalise its failing institutions.


However. I have sadly concluded that, while the crusade must - must - continue, I am not the right man to take forward this mission. I have been tarred and feathered. An all-too ugly and divisve primary has left its mark. A continuing Oakvale/Potus campaign would only risk the ultimate calamity - splitting our party and electing Crooked Harry Truman to Atlasia's highest office. I would do anything to avoid that disaster. We would not survive such a turn of events.

I am tonight suspending my campaign. And I am therefore today calling on former president Lumine, one of our most respected and revered statesmen, to enter the presidential race. He is Atlasia's greatest hope for a better future.

To be sure, Lumine and I disagree on much. I have no doubt he disagrees in the strongest terms with my recent attacks on my party's leadership. I am sure he is appalled at my tone and my rhetoric. But, nonetheless, I believe he understands better than the other candidates the dire straits we find ourselves in and has the vision, and the plan, to dig us out of our self-made grave.

I urge Lumine to run. Seek the Presidency. Atlasia cries out for your leadership.

I urge all my supporters to vote for him, and, in that event, grant their second preference to the incumbent President. We have battled fiercely, but, at the end of the day, I have little doubt that whatever our real disagreements - and they are real and serious - the worst day of a Fhtagn presidency is better than the best day of a Crooked Harry Truman administration of corruption and vice. Should the former president not heed my call I will cast my ballot for her without hesitation.

I thank all those who braved the political headwinds to support my campaign. I thank Potus for his unwavering support and service in support of our great cause.

I am, sorry as I am to disappoint my enemies, not going anywhere. I remain a Federalist. I remain a radical. I remain, above all else, an Atlasian citizen. I will fight every day for what I truly believe in - that we must change, and must change dramatically, to survive.

I wish everyone, friend or foe, well.

That is that.

Thank you, and good night.

Former Supreme Court Justice of Atlasia

Former candidate for the Federalist Party presidential nomination, 2017

16  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: A public letter of apology to Oakvale/Potus on: September 23, 2017, 09:06:09 pm
I thank the former President for this courageous act. He has shown himself to be a man of true character.
17  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: An Assault On Democracy? on: September 22, 2017, 02:25:07 pm
I am very disappointed in you, Oakvale. You gave the notion that you would let me finish the investigation and furthermore, not a single person, especially not myself, actually accused you of doing this publicly.....so you are pointing fingers at yourself. The tabloid that you seem to think is a legit paper literally parodies everything, so that was your 2nd apparent mistake. This is both a disappointing thread and a disappointing outcome, but it was to be expected....I guess, thanks for proving Yankee right about your character.

Cry me a river. Your "investigation" conveniently stretched through the beginning of the primary season as the smears continued unabated.

For all: I can confirm I've retained legal counsel and am considering pursuing libel actions.
18  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / An Assault On Democracy? on: September 22, 2017, 09:40:29 am
Friends -

I was under no illusions when I began this campaign. I knew that powerful forces in the shadows would be against me. I'm not naive - but even I was surprised and appalled by the foul campaign of dirty tricks and innuendo against my candidacy.

For a week now, as our movement gathered momentum, a cynical smear campaign emerged. Allies of the President planted stories in the press alleging that my running mate had offered Cabinet positions in exchange for votes. Doubtless these were repeated to ordinary voters, ignorant of their falsity.

This was a lie.

I give some credit to one of the accusers, former president dfwlibertylover, who had the integrity, at least to admit to me privately, that he had come to believe the allegations were false.

Clearly the Federalist primary has been tainted beyond repair. How many minds have been poisoned? How many voters manipulated?

For these disgusting dirty tricks I demand the immediate resignation of the cretinous and thuggish Secretary of the Interior, Young Texan, who attempted to use the power of his office to intimidate me out of the race with the most vile and thuggish guttersnipe abuse. Was he the source of this lie? Time will tell.

Did the President know of this campaign? Did she authorise it? I do not know. I am disappointed, at the very least, that her goons felt they could not risk a fair fight and resorted to dark whispers and propaganda. But the buck must stop with her. At the very least her ethically crippled Cabinet official must be removed. Her campaign team fired.

And the liar responsible for this smear expelled from the Federalist Party.

As fellow party members can confirm, in recent days I had moved towards a position of withdrawing from the race and endorsing the President should I fall short for our party's nomination. With this skullduggery afoot I am no longer confident whether this is the right thing to do. I am huddling with my top team to discuss potential outcomes even as we continue to fight for every vote for the nomination.

Make Atlasia Great Again.
19  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The Crusader Polling - Federalist Primary (General Public) on: September 21, 2017, 03:51:26 am
Wow, I see Lyin' Leinad is SWEATING LIKE A DOG as his cosy cartel collapses!

20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Oakvale/Potus for Atlasia on: September 20, 2017, 06:33:47 pm
Wow! Thank you Poirot and Simfan for your beautiful words of support. I'm honoured. Our momentum is sure to grow ever more with you on board.

Are there any brakes on this train?!
21  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Atlas Star: Federalist primary debate on: September 19, 2017, 06:24:17 pm
I thank 1184AZ for generously agreeing to host this debate and for providing such thoughtful and illuminating questions. I trust it's been an informative experience. I'd also be remiss if I did not thank President fhtagn for her diligence in answering and her willingness to debate the issues with me. It's a sign of good character that this was the case when others would have ignored requests and sequestered themselves away in the White House. Most of all, I should thank everyone who's watched, Federalist or not. I hope it's been informative and you've seen some of our dividing lines, and some of the places we agree, too. I think it's clear that, whatever our differences - and they are real and serious - the worst day of either of our presidencies would be better than the best of a Crooked Harry Truman administration. If you've got any further questions my door's always open.

I began this campaign with few illusions about the hurdles such a bid would face. Challenging an incumbent President's never easy, to say nothing of doing so as a member of their own party. But I got in this race because I saw that Atlasia needed a change and the same old way of doing business just wasn't going to cut it any more. I'm an old man and an old hand - I've seen this play out before.

History repeats itself.

Spasms of brief activity subside and are squandered, neglected, suffocated in the crib, by self-interested careerists and party power-brokers who care only about one thing - themselves. I believe President fhtagn's a good person who cares about Atlasia. But she was manoeuvred into office by these very shadowy forces, an unelected president - the second! - foisted upon the nation. Presented to our party as a preset choice. The bosses have rallied around her banner. It's not about party, not really. It's sure as hell not about policy or ideology. And it's not about the President, either. I have no doubt that if I should be your nominee many of these cigar-chompers will desert our party and vote for Crooked Harry Truman, who they trust will uphold the system they've so benefitted from.

Let's not give them the chance.

To all Federalists, and all Atlasians, I say this.

If you want regions that work, bustling with activity, I need your vote.

If you want a bloated bureaucracy shattered, I need your vote.

If you want vigorous debate and political combat, not bland consensus, I need your vote.

If you want a Federalist Party that stands for principle and conviction once more, a true conservative party, I need your vote.

If you want to get this country working again, I need your vote.

This weekend, the Federalist convention will select our Presidential candidate. Let's send a message that business as usual is over. Lend me your vote.

Thank you.
22  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Oakvale/Potus for Atlasia on: September 18, 2017, 04:55:03 pm
give me three reasons why I shouldnt vote for you.

If you're happy with the direction things are going and don't want to shake things up - I'm not your guy.

If you think the reigning establishment has got it right and we're on our way to an ever-better future - I'm not your guy.

If you think a blob of bland consensus, where every political party appears identical and policy differences are quietly snuffed out through the suffocation of legislative bureaucracy and limp compromise, is the ideal situation for our nation - I'm not your guy. Vote for someone else.

If you don't think these things, then join us. This is the movement for you.

hi, potential voter here, I'd like to know what is your opinion on the "Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions Movement"?

Thanks for the question, old friend. It's an important foreign policy issue.

If we want to have an honest debate about the Israel-Palestine conflict we can do that. But the BDS 'movement' is odious and at times reminds me of nothing so much as some kind of ghoulish reincarnation of the anti-Jewish boycotts of centuries past - it's an anti-Semitic witch hunt. Plain and simple. It's sadly telling that the radical left focus every last bit of their ire on the only functioning democracy in the region while turning a blind eye to the crimes of Israel's neighbours.
23  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Atlas-Reed Poll (sept 12-18) Fed. Primary poll-Fhtagn + 77% on: September 18, 2017, 01:17:58 pm
Wow, can't wait to disprove this Fake News!
24  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Atlas Star: Federalist primary debate on: September 17, 2017, 11:12:52 am
So, look, it's a noble idea but it just hasn't worked. Never had, never will. If elected as your President, I'll move to abolish the position of GM on my first day in office.

I'm not going to go into some history lesson about what has happened in the past because:
1. I'm not going to speak on something I was not present for.
2. I'm not going to pretend that what has happened in the past should apply to the situation currently.

I think our current GM, 1184AZ and his deputy, Encke, have done an amazing job with their positions, have truly set themselves apart from GMs and their deputies in the past, and have set an example for how the positions should be run in the future. While it is true that more people should take notice on what they do, to say that no one is paying attention is not only completely false, but shows how out of touch you are with how Atlasia is run today.

Have you bothered to pay attention to the amount of activity that surrounded GM stories such as the recent wildfires in Fremont, NLLC terrorism, "Hurricane Harvey" (the Atlasia version that hit FL), and the current crisis involving North Korea? There has been plenty of activity from the President, cabinet officials, Congress, and even regional governments in response to the GM since 1184AZ has taken over, and I have no reason to believe that given the new expectations of the position that whoever takes over after he is gone will just let it fade away.

It's easy to say that because things were bad in the past to just abolish it instead of fix it, but it is a shame that laziness is being mistaken as legitimate policy to run on.

You're quite right that the incumbent GM has done sterling work. And we've had good GMs before - Purple State was a legend for a reason. But they are, sadly, the exception that proves the rule. At some point Progressive Dem and Encke will move on to greener pastures and we'll be forced to search again for some unfortunate soul to take over that thankless role.

The basic problem with the GM position, Madam President, is what I've touched upon already - the benefits for the position don't justify the immense effort expended by the holder of that office. With elected offices the benefit is the prestige, the thrill of engaging in heated debate, the fun of running in close elections and fighting your political foes. The GM gets, what, a pat on the back?

There's no reason that events like hurricanes and so on couldn't be implemented into our fictional world without a GM to declare such. I do pause in trepidation when we move on to foreign affairs, which has since the implementation of 'story-writing' powers in the Secretary of State office lead on most occasions to the holder of the office writing ill-judged self-insert fanfictions about their Nobel Peace Prize winning feats of diplomacy.

The best solution for the GM would, in a perfect world, be to pay them a salary. That'd do it! Since that's - I hope - not an option we're going to have to be realistic about the future of the job. This also applies to the bizarre position of National Archivist - it makes sense in theory to hire someone to handle the dull work of updating the wiki. But what's the incentive? Okay, sure, you'll occasionally find a Tim Turner or a homelycooking who genuinely enjoys the tedious business these jobs require, but it's not common.

It's simple economics - the fundamental flaw in our system of government is that we act as if positions should be filled and active for their own sake, but that's not how human behaviour operates. If you want to ignore history, we can do that, but what's that old parable about those who forget history? Mark my words - in a few months we'll be in the same old position again, doomed forever to repeat without reform.
25  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Atlas Star: Federalist primary debate on: September 16, 2017, 09:20:26 pm
What kind of reforms to the Atlasia tax code would you make if any? How will you balance affordability with balancing the budget?

My opponentís quite right - we donít have a budget, and as far as I can recall we havenít had one for years - and in any event never had regular budgets. This is a game mechanic problem - most people find budgets excruciatingly boring and as such avoid working on them whenever possible. Itís also a blast to just make up figures and violently argue for their validity, I guess. This isn't a problem in and of itself - as I've said on the GM issue, that's half the fun of the game. But we run into inevitable issues with double-counting. By the time of the reset I think the wealthiest 1% must have been taxed cumulatively at about 800% of their income. A solution TNF would be proud of.

But the broader questionís not really about the Budget per se. Itís long been a running gag that Atlasia in real life would be like Venezuela or Weimar Germany, old ladies bringing a wheelbarrow full of money to pay for a loaf of bread. This is because many - not all, I will happily grant, but many - of our programs are paid for by magic fairy money.

Therefore I believe the next President should take long overdue steps to building a fiscally responsible society with a simple pledge - to veto any bill that does not clearly and specifically - ďraise taxes on the rich, I guess!Ē isnít going to cut it - how its outlays are to be paid for.

How will you balance natural resource distraction with helping protect the environment?   Would you support a carbon tax as President?

The environmental debate in this country all too often devolves into bitter accusations and recriminations about the validity of anthropogenic climate change. I think this misses the point. Whether we contribute to climate change or not there are myriad other reasons that itís in our national interest to address damage to our environment from the exploitation of our rich reserves of natural resources. Itís one of the few true public goods we share. Like such notorious left-wingers like James Baker, I am in principle open to a carbon tax. I think itís a preferable - and a conservative - solution to more onerous government impositions in response to our environmental challenges. A lesser evil. Naturally Iíd have to see the specifics of the final product when it arrived on my desk - anything excessive or ill-planned would become fast friends with my trusty veto pen.

For both of you what is more important: Having a member of congress  that is active and fully engaged in debate  but from Labor  or an inactive Federalist that misses several votes and contributes little to debate?

As I said above - and Iíll be making a speech on this in the coming days - I think itís a grave mistake to treat inactivity as primarily a moral failing.

Prof. Gary Beckerís landmark 1968 theory of criminality springs readily to mind as an analogy - criminal behaviourís not some psychological sickness, itís a rational weighting of cost and benefit. Soís inactivity - inactivityís a symptom, not a cause of our national malaise. This canít be stressed enough. With the right reforms, activity will follow.

Now, as to your question - would I rather have an active member from the Communist Party or a deadweight Federalist? Letís first of all say that Iíd hope such a grisly situation would never occur. But the answerís quite simple - if we had a situation wherein a deadweight member could be easily expelled and a suitably conservative replacement appointed with due haste then clearly itís a moral imperative to prefer the inactive Federalist rather than bowing down and letting the Communists run roughshod over the constitution.

If we were stuck in some unfortunate series of events whereby our only choice is a Federalist corpse or an active Communist I believe our only option is to close our eyes and pray that they selected a relatively sane soul for the job.

How do you respond to Atlasians that may have trouble trusting you to lead the country after on multiple occasions have openly supported and even campaigned for regional succession of Atlasia?  How do you quell peoples fears that you will attempt to dissolve the game based on some of your past actions such as leading A new Start?

I make no apologies for my longtime advocacy of urgent measures to reform Atlasia. As a committed regionalist, Iíve taken that position to its radical conclusion and called for giving the regions a choice on whether to remain a part of the nation. Thatís a rational response to decades of federal overreach, and I have zero regrets about it. The New Start manifesto lead to a movement for reform and, then, directly to the ultimate implementation of the Great Reset. Unfortunately we were nowhere near radical enough, and the results amounted to just shifting around the furniture in a burning hotel room.

Itís no surprise that the grubby goons who got us into this mess are trying to spook people about my record in this regard. But Iíve got nothing to hide. Iím proud of my record, and, frankly - look, if some people are concerned, Iíve got two words. Donít be. The President doesnít have the power to unilaterally dissolve the federal government, much as some of us might like to. The positionís primary power is in that of the bully pulpit, but President Oakvale is not going to be leading a revolt on horseback  - the revolution Iíll lead is political.

Thank you.
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