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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: ABC confirms Eric Trump funnelled money for cancer kids to business on: Today at 02:08:28 pm
And Iím sure the reason Trump wonít release his taxes has nothing to do with criminal/shady monetary connections.
2  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Morning Consult national poll: Sanders 42% Trump 36%; Generic Dem 44% Trump 35% on: Today at 11:19:40 am
I have reservations about Sanders.  I fear he'd get clobbered in a national electorate about being a socialist.
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Prediction: Cuban will endorse Trump in 2020 on: Today at 11:15:01 am
Little chance.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Can we all agree that Wisconsin will not vote for Trump in 2020? on: Today at 11:13:18 am
I think Michigan is off the table for him in 2020, but I wouldn't discount Wisconsin or Pennsylvania just yet.

I think he'll have to fight to hold them, for sure, but I think he could hold them.
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump Voter: If Jesus said Trump was with Russia, I wouldnít believe Him on: Today at 10:57:18 am
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While I voted for Trump, I never asked anyone else to.  I do agree with Erick Erickson in this article on the aspect of the effect Trump has had on the Body of Christ.  I've seen it.  Trump's not likely a Believer, and his sins are what they are.

To vote for Trump in the privacy of the voting booth is one thing.  To endorse voting for him to the point of asking others to vote for him is another thing.  But Trump is not a God.  I trust Jesus to bring revival and moral renewal to America.  It's not inaccurate to say that Trump (along with Hillary, but in a different way) is part of the problem here.  Trump was, IMO, a better choice than Hillary in 2016, but I'm not going to pretend that he's a model of Christian virtue or God's anointed candidate.  It is withing the permissive will of God to vote for Donald Trump (or for Hillary Clinton, for that matter), but Trump needs Jesus as much as I do, and he probably needs a Pastor he'll listen to that won't lie to him or be awestruck by Trump's celebrity.  And any Christian who'd trust Trump over Jesus is, frankly, no longer a Christian; they fall into the category of "twice dead" as per the book of Jude.  "He who, having set his hand to the plow, looking back, is not fit for the Kingdom of God."  Looking at Trump and not Jesus is looking back.

There is literally no conceivable way that I, as a Christian, could vote for Trump.  He is the antithesis of every one of Jesusís teachings. Not only that, but heís the antithesis of what it means to be an American. Evangelicals didnít vote on their beliefs and morals in 2016; they voted the way they did based on an illogical and unfounded fear and hatred of Hillary Clinton and Democrats in general.

You can make the argument that Hillary was not an ideal choice either for a Christian voter; and that neither of them may actually be Christians themselves. But you had one candidate who consistently showed himself to be anti Christian (in words and action) and another candidate who displayed at least some aspects of Christian behavior (in words and action). Regardless of party and ideology, why would you, as a Christian, pick the candidate who displayed no aspects of Christianity and had a constant disregard for the teachings of Jesus Christ?

Because popular ethnic "Evangelical " Christianity isn't Christianity?

It's true, sadly.

These are the people voting for someone who is anti-Christian (Trump).  These are the same people who wore "Trump that bitch" t-shirts, and who chanted "lock her up!" all the while ignoring people on their side who did the exact same things and worse.  These are the people getting butthurt over statues memorializing traitors to the nation, and praising what those traitors stood for.  These are the people willing to vote for a pedophile simply for the fact that he's not a Democrat.  These are the same people who think "grab em by the pussy" is just locker room talk.

These people cause real Christians to get a bad rap.  They believe Christians are being persecuted; yet in many places where Christian persecution exists (it's rarer than they believe, but it does exist), they would rather bar travel for their brothers and sisters in Christ to safer countries.

Trump could declare himself God and they would worship him as such, and find new ways to incorporate him into their religion as though he's always been apart of it, because he's a deity.  They are deranged.  They are insane.  They are not patriotic.  They are not Christians.  They will be the downfall of us all if we don't do a better job of weeding them out with our votes.

Hillary Clinton is a lot of things, and she was a horrible candidate.  But we would not be discussing things so crude and irreligious as "if Jesus came down from the cross and said ___, I would have to ask the president first."  We would not be on the brink of nuclear war.  We would not be barring travel to those in need.  She is far more Christian in her policies than Trump is, and even non-Christians can see that.

I say if you voted for Trump, and claim you are a Christian, you are either not, or you are extremely careless with your beliefs, your morals, and your politics.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Poll: 60% of U.S. women voters say they have been sexually harassed on: Today at 10:45:31 am
I'm a guy, and I've been sexually harassed at the workplace.

It feels weird when your co-worker constantly talks about wanting to see you dick and screw you.
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump Voter: If Jesus said Trump was with Russia, I wouldnít believe Him on: Today at 06:57:59 am
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While I voted for Trump, I never asked anyone else to.  I do agree with Erick Erickson in this article on the aspect of the effect Trump has had on the Body of Christ.  I've seen it.  Trump's not likely a Believer, and his sins are what they are.

To vote for Trump in the privacy of the voting booth is one thing.  To endorse voting for him to the point of asking others to vote for him is another thing.  But Trump is not a God.  I trust Jesus to bring revival and moral renewal to America.  It's not inaccurate to say that Trump (along with Hillary, but in a different way) is part of the problem here.  Trump was, IMO, a better choice than Hillary in 2016, but I'm not going to pretend that he's a model of Christian virtue or God's anointed candidate.  It is withing the permissive will of God to vote for Donald Trump (or for Hillary Clinton, for that matter), but Trump needs Jesus as much as I do, and he probably needs a Pastor he'll listen to that won't lie to him or be awestruck by Trump's celebrity.  And any Christian who'd trust Trump over Jesus is, frankly, no longer a Christian; they fall into the category of "twice dead" as per the book of Jude.  "He who, having set his hand to the plow, looking back, is not fit for the Kingdom of God."  Looking at Trump and not Jesus is looking back.

There is literally no conceivable way that I, as a Christian, could vote for Trump.  He is the antithesis of every one of Jesusís teachings. Not only that, but heís the antithesis of what it means to be an American. Evangelicals didnít vote on their beliefs and morals in 2016; they voted the way they did based on an illogical and unfounded fear and hatred of Hillary Clinton and Democrats in general.

You can make the argument that Hillary was not an ideal choice either for a Christian voter; and that neither of them may actually be Christians themselves. But you had one candidate who consistently showed himself to be anti Christian (in words and action) and another candidate who displayed at least some aspects of Christian behavior (in words and action). Regardless of party and ideology, why would you, as a Christian, pick the candidate who displayed no aspects of Christianity and had a constant disregard for the teachings of Jesus Christ?
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Trump Voter: If Jesus said Trump was with Russia, I wouldnít believe Him on: November 21, 2017, 06:59:51 pm
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/11/21/trump_voter_if_jesus_christ_came_down_from_the_cross_and_told_me_trump_was_with_russia_i_wouldnt_believe_him.html

"Let me tell you," he continued. "If Jesus Christ gets down off the cross and told me Trump is with Russia, I would tell him, hold on a second, I need to check with the president if it is true. That is how confident I feel in the president."
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will Donald Trump become one of the worst Presidents in U.S. history? on: November 19, 2017, 07:37:37 pm
Future generations will be ashamed of their grandparents for having supported and electing such a man.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will Donald Trump become one of the worst Presidents in U.S. history? on: November 18, 2017, 07:36:47 pm
There is absolutely no doubt in the mind of anyone who is not insane that he will most definitely be among the worst.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Report: Trump made millions of dollars from drug money laundering in Panama on: November 18, 2017, 07:35:46 pm
Deplorables don't care.

Give them more conspiracy theory fake news about Hillary.
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Rank These Potential Democratic Candidates by Personal Preference on: November 17, 2017, 10:24:26 am
Biden
Harris
Warren
Gillibrand
Sanders
Gabbard
Baldwin
Brown
Klobuchar
Cuomo
Moulton
Ryan
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: What if Al Franken doesnít resign and Roy Moore loses? on: November 17, 2017, 10:17:53 am
We can't denounce one person but turn a blind away to another just because he's in our party.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: If Trump loses, would Trump be the last Republican president for a generation? on: November 16, 2017, 12:38:52 pm
Just like Bush was supposedly the last one for a generation because of the emergence of the unstoppable Obama coalition? The fact that Trump won, even with his unpopularity, shows that if Republicans nominate someone less toxic to large swaths of the public, they can still win (even a majority of the popular vote).

Bush was not wrong (so far).  Trump is not really a Republican.  He's really more of an independent who is Republican in name only (and only because that's the only way he would've been elected, by running in one of the two party's primaries).  He is authoritarian, and a dictator-wannabe; there is barely anything Republican (much less patriotic) about him.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Al Franken accused of sexual harassment on: November 16, 2017, 12:31:30 pm
All of these male politicians being outed as sexual predators are only fueling my desires for a woman president.

Yea, but when given the opportunity, we go for the blowhard moron with zero experience in running anything worthwhile, and who has stacks of sexual harassment accusations against him (as well as video/audio proof of said misconduct).  I have little faith that when given the opportunity again, we won't just go down the same stupid path.  Because emails or some other made up phony conspiracy like Benghazi.
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Al Franken accused of sexual harassment on: November 16, 2017, 12:28:23 pm
He has to resign.  I liked Franken, this hurts, but it has to happen.  I'll have to find a new favorite for the presidency in 2020, but that should be easy enough.

See that, GOP?  When someone in your party does this stuff, you can't go on defending them.
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Will Al Franken resign? on: November 16, 2017, 12:25:35 pm
Ughhh.

Well, he was my pick for the Dem candidate in 2020.  Not anymore.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Are Alabama voters sick? on: November 16, 2017, 03:00:17 am
Either,
-They don't care, or...
-They'd vote for a dead dog before they'd vote Democrat


I'd add believing that the allegations are all fake. That's probably why they are sticking around.

To believe all of this now to be fake news would create a new option: theyíre all stupid.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Fox's Shepard Smith debunks their own favorite Hillary scandal, viewers angry on: November 16, 2017, 02:58:28 am
Fox News viewers arenít watching to receive informed and factual news.
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Biden moving toward 2020 presidential run: report on: November 12, 2017, 11:03:44 am


My Biden-Trump election prediction....

Biden: 359
Trump: 179
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Roy Moore Cast The Sole Vote In Favor Of A Man Who Raped A Four-Year-Old on: November 12, 2017, 06:06:29 am
GOP response: ďthis is in the past; besides, was there consent?Ē
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Maher: It doesn't matter if Democratic primary was rigged on: November 12, 2017, 06:04:10 am
Itís not okay; itís shameful.

But so is colluding with Russia.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: George Takei now accused of sexual assault on: November 11, 2017, 10:35:21 am
Just as with Moore, this needs to be seriously investigated.

Unlike Moore, Takei is not in (or running to be in) a probable position to impact our government.  What employer would hire someone for a job who is under investigation for being a pedophile or sexual harasser?  Innocent until proven guilty, absolutely, but eligible for holding a serious impact on the way our country governs, potentially the way it governs these very types of issues?  Yea, no.  Not until the accusations are shown to be false.

Here's a question with Moore:   All but one of the allegations were made by folks who where the age of consent at the time of the action.  The allegations involve folks that are 16 and up are, essentially, acts of consent that folks came to regret and see in a different light years later; they were, arguably, not crimes.  Even the act with the 14 year old (assuming it's true and assuming she was under 16 at the time) is covered beyond the Statute of Limitations.  None of this makes it right or savory, but if it's not a prosecuteable crime, who will be doing the "investigating", and to what end?

Voters can make up their own mind about Moore, politically and personally.  Individuals can pursue civil suits, hire their own private investigators, etc. (assuming Moore is still vulnerable to civil liability).  Who is going to do the investigating, and what will they be investigating?  Even unsavory folks don't just automatically deserve to be "under investigation" by a governmental entity when there are no criminal charges the subject being investigated is liable for.

Just out of curiosity, would you vote for a 30 year old man who had sex with multiple girls who were 16 years old?

I'm not asking about age of consent or the legality of it; I want your personal feelings on whether or not a man 30+ years old who has sexual relations with 16 year olds is fit to serve in public office, with influence over the laws which govern us all?
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: George Takei now accused of sexual assault on: November 11, 2017, 08:22:31 am
Just as with Moore, this needs to be seriously investigated.

Unlike Moore, Takei is not in (or running to be in) a probable position to impact our government.  What employer would hire someone for a job who is under investigation for being a pedophile or sexual harasser?  Innocent until proven guilty, absolutely, but eligible for holding a serious impact on the way our country governs, potentially the way it governs these very types of issues?  Yea, no.  Not until the accusations are shown to be false.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Sane/Non-Trumpist Republicans - why are you still Republicans? on: November 10, 2017, 11:02:05 pm
While a large element of the GOP has gone in a direction that I cannot follow, I still support most of the core planks of the party. There are still many leaders in the party who believe in responsible center right government. Eric Holcomb and Todd Young from my home state are good examples of this. While the rise of Trump has made the crazy wing more powerful as of late, that is clearly completely unsustainable and while I'm not completely optimistic I do think the reasonable parts of the party will eventually rein in the party's excesses. Regardless, the Democratic Party seems to be on track to move further left, so I don't have many other options except to support the reasonable candidates in primaries and back folks like Holcomb and Young.

I admire your loyalty to your party and itís values (er, itís now seemingly former values).

I would posit a theory, however, that electing Democrats...however much you disagree with them...might actually serve as a wake up call to the GOP that they need to get it together and abandon the crazy wing of the party that has taken over.
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