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1  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Alabama Megathread: Bombshell allegations on: November 09, 2017, 08:54:57 pm
Greg Gianforte won in Montana this year the day after he body-slammed a journalist; I don't really have faith that these accusations will sink Moore at all. I hope I'm proven wrong.

There's a big difference between body-slamming a journalist and molesting underage girls, though.

Also, I believe a significant portion of the vote in that election was cast early and not on Election Day (although I get your point and Gianforte may have very well still won).
2  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: VA-GOV 2017: Utter Panic and Doom (General election: Nov 7th) on: November 05, 2017, 07:14:21 pm
Final Emerson Poll: Northam +3

Northam: 49%
Gillespie: 46%
Hyra: 1%

https://mobile.twitter.com/EmersonPolling/status/927325453265915905/photo/1
3  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: VA-GOV 2017: Northam vs Gillespie (General election: Nov 7th) on: November 02, 2017, 09:24:14 pm
Kind of an unrelated question, but if I recall CNU has been doing a weekly tracking poll that comes out on Thursday night/Friday... does anyone know if they are going to have  a final poll this week?
4  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: What congressional candidate are you rooting for the most to win? on: October 29, 2017, 10:37:54 pm
Probably Kyrsten Sinema, I think that she has an amazing story, seems to really care, is a proven leader in the House, and has the potential to be a rising star for the Dems.
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump approval ratings thread 1.2 on: October 28, 2017, 07:34:57 pm
Washington Post/ University of Maryland (National Poll)

Approve: 37
Disapprove: 63

https://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2017/10/28/National-Politics/Polling/release_497.xml?tid=a_inl
6  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: VA-GOV 2017: Primary result: Northam vs Gillespie (General election: Nov 7th) on: October 23, 2017, 04:48:59 pm
Gillespie now hitting Northam on felon voting rights and along with MS-13 Northam supports child molesters too.

If you have to resort to accusing your opponent of supporting child molesters, your campaign clearly isn't going too well.

Especially when your opponent is a pediatrician...
7  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: VA-GOV 2017: Primary result: Northam vs Gillespie (General election: Nov 7th) on: October 20, 2017, 11:55:48 am
Also preparing my "Don't Blame Me, I Supported Perriello" signature.

No one cares.

You cared enough to reply. Sorry you keep supporting boring losers over the smart choice.
ONE GODDAMN POLL PEOPLE! ONE F**KING POLL.

Jesus Christ.

Polls predicting victory for Thom Tillis? None!

Polls predicting victory for Ron Johnson? None!

Polls predicting single digits for Mark Warner or even a loss? None!


Between the end of September and the election Tillis lead in 6 polls and tied in 6.

Really? I only remember polls that had Hagan very narrowly ahead the entire way.

I guess I  "auto-junk polled" lots of those tillis leads back a lot back then.

Yep, he lead in polls from Harper, High Point U, SUSA, Civitas, Gracie, and Vox. He tied in a bunch of others.

And Johnson in WI lead in 3 or 4 polls from Survey Monkey and 1 from Lorras.

If there's anything I've learned from these is that any poll has the potential to be right lol
8  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: VA-GOV 2017: Primary result: Northam vs Gillespie (General election: Nov 7th) on: October 20, 2017, 11:20:21 am
Also preparing my "Don't Blame Me, I Supported Perriello" signature.

No one cares.

You cared enough to reply. Sorry you keep supporting boring losers over the smart choice.
ONE GODDAMN POLL PEOPLE! ONE F**KING POLL.

Jesus Christ.

Polls predicting victory for Thom Tillis? None!

Polls predicting victory for Ron Johnson? None!

Polls predicting single digits for Mark Warner or even a loss? None!


Between the end of September and the election Tillis lead in 6 polls and tied in 6.
9  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: VA-GOV 2017: Primary result: Northam vs Gillespie (General election: Nov 7th) on: October 17, 2017, 04:21:08 pm
Okay so everyone remember this poll https://mobile.twitter.com/VictoriaRsch/status/913860665982545921

Yea I think we all misjudged that poll I put it as junk since no one knew who she is or anything I'm changing my mind that's probably a real poll.

Based on what? Don't be ridiculous.
Every single Poll out today was closer then the last polls they put out
And for the past 45 days or so you have been hearing how people don't like northam and dems being worried that he is to bland
Also people for the past 3 months have said internal polls showed it being closer then public polls.



And the poll was conducted by a complete nobody with no information released, and it was nearly a month old when it was already posted.

I know your party is all anti-facts/science and all, but this is a whole new level.
How am I anti-facts and science ?
Is it because I'm pro life? Is it because I don't believe in fake polls with northam leading by 12?
Is it because I don't trust post polls since 2016 I mean look at Wisconsin not 1 poll the entire election said trump would win there Ron Johnson only led in 1 poll the final 6 weeks
Pennsylvania pat toomey was falling in the polls the final week he still won.
What do you mean about the me and the GOP being anti-facts?

Please double check facts before you post... leading up to the 2016 Wisconsin Senate race there were more than 4 polls showing a Johnson lead including ones of >4% points, and at least 2 additional ones showing him tied. Johnson winning wasn't a shock.

As for your prior post, again, Northam's lead in the Roanoke College poll went up from +4 to +6. His lead in the CNU Poll went down by 3 and obviously he went down significant in the mannomouth poll.

I don't care who you vote for or what your opinions are on abortion/contraception, just please double check facts before positing.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/senate/wi/wisconsin_senate_johnson_vs_feingold-3740.html#polls Only 1 poll with Johnson up

Do a little more research an you will find that 3 survey monkey polls leading up to the election (which had the largest survey sample size and one of the smallest MOE) found Johnson up and an additional one or two found him tied. Links to each poll are available on the 2016 WI Senate Election Wikipage, and I believe though 538 (not sure if they are still there or not, but I checked and still available on wiki).
10  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: VA-GOV 2017: Primary result: Northam vs Gillespie (General election: Nov 7th) on: October 17, 2017, 04:09:08 pm
Okay so everyone remember this poll https://mobile.twitter.com/VictoriaRsch/status/913860665982545921

Yea I think we all misjudged that poll I put it as junk since no one knew who she is or anything I'm changing my mind that's probably a real poll.

Based on what? Don't be ridiculous.
Every single Poll out today was closer then the last polls they put out
And for the past 45 days or so you have been hearing how people don't like northam and dems being worried that he is to bland
Also people for the past 3 months have said internal polls showed it being closer then public polls.


And the poll was conducted by a complete nobody with no information released, and it was nearly a month old when it was already posted.

I know your party is all anti-facts/science and all, but this is a whole new level.
How am I anti-facts and science ?
Is it because I'm pro life? Is it because I don't believe in fake polls with northam leading by 12?
Is it because I don't trust post polls since 2016 I mean look at Wisconsin not 1 poll the entire election said trump would win there Ron Johnson only led in 1 poll the final 6 weeks
Pennsylvania pat toomey was falling in the polls the final week he still won.
What do you mean about the me and the GOP being anti-facts?

Please double check facts before you post... leading up to the 2016 Wisconsin Senate race there were more than 4 polls showing a Johnson lead including ones of >4% points, and at least 2 additional ones showing him tied. Johnson winning wasn't a shock.

As for your prior post, again, Northam's lead in the Roanoke College poll went up from +4 to +6. His lead in the CNU Poll went down by 3 and obviously he went down significant in the mannomouth poll.

I don't care who you vote for or what your opinions are on abortion/contraception, just please double check facts before positing.
11  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: VA-GOV 2017: Primary result: Northam vs Gillespie (General election: Nov 7th) on: October 17, 2017, 04:01:09 pm
Okay so everyone remember this poll https://mobile.twitter.com/VictoriaRsch/status/913860665982545921

Yea I think we all misjudged that poll I put it as junk since no one knew who she is or anything I'm changing my mind that's probably a real poll.

Based on what? Don't be ridiculous.
Every single Poll out today was closer then the last polls they put out
And for the past 45 days or so you have been hearing how people don't like northam and dems being worried that he is to bland
Also people for the past 3 months have said internal polls showed it being closer then public polls.


That's actually not true about every poll being closer today ... Northam's lead went up from +4 to +6 in the Roanoke Collage poll today
12  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Gubernatorial/Statewide Elections / Re: 2018 Gubernatorial Rankings on: October 12, 2017, 10:53:41 pm


Toss Ups
1. Maine: Toss up for now-- if Collins throws her hat in AND wins the GOP primary, I think this becomes safe R. If not, I think this becomes a Tilt/ Lean D race unless we see a redux of 2010/2014 with a really strong left leaning independent in the race.

2. Michigan: I think that the GOP got lucky and has a strong candidate in AG Bill Schuette, however, I do think Snyder and Trump's unpopularity in the state, along with the flint crisis will help the Dems here. Gretchen Whitmer is a formidable candidate and I think this race becomes lean D with her. If Geoffrey Fieger or Abdul El-Sayed get the Dem nod, it becomes a toss up/lean R race.

3. Wisconsin: For a long time I had the rated as lean/likely R and just moved it to toss up/tilt R. I think there is a very good chance Scott Walker wins re-election, however, the Democrats have formidable candidates in Tony Evers, the Wisconsin State Superintendent of Public Instruction and State Senator Kathleen Vinehout. Given Trump's current approval ratings and polls recently showing Walker underwater, I moved this to toss up.

4. Florida: As with MI, I think the GOP got lucky here with a very strong candidate in Adam Putnam. The Democrats also have some candidates who have potential to be strong candidates, but are relatively unproven, including Tallahassee mayor,  Andrew Gillum, former Congresswoman Gwen Graham, and (who I like to call the wild card) John Morgan, a personal injury lawyer and medical marijuana advocate. I think the rating of this race will largely depend on the outcome of the Dem primary and how the Democrat defines themselves and the race. This is one I could see slipping easily away from the Dems as a result of a divided primary, poor state party structure, and a unified/strong GOP.

5. Alaska:
I will be honest that I don't know much about this race, but it seems that Walker has middling approvals and an unstable base of supporters, thus my rating as toss up. We will see if Walker is able to pull a redux of 2014.

6. Nevada: It seems that this is another race where the GOP likely got a top recruit in Adam Laxalt, the Nevada Attorney General. On the Dem side, the likely nominee is Steve Sisolak, Chair of the Clark County Commission, also a decent recruit. Although Nevada seems to have taken a turn to the left lately, it still has shown a strong propensity to elect the GOP state wide (i.e. Heller, Sandoval). Given Laxalt's name ID and position, I certainly would not count him out. Sisolak, however, has proven to be a formidable fundraiser, and given the leftward tilt of the state as of recent and an expensive Senate race that the Dem's are sure to be heavily investing in, I think he has a good chance to reclaim the governor's mansion for the Dems.

Other Notable Races
1. Minnesota: Likely D-- This is a race that the Dem's have gotten lucky in as they have not just 1, but multiple top tier candidates including Congressman Tim Walz, St. Paul Mayor Chris Coleman, and potentially Lori Swanson, the Minnesota Attorney General. All three of these candidates are top tier. Out of these, Tim Walz would likely be the strongest, having represented a rural part of the state (MN-01), having a miliatary background, and having earned the endorsement of multiple key figures in MN politics including Walter Mondale, R.T. Rybak, Colin Peterson, and the son of Paul Wellstone. However, Lori Swanson is well regarded and a very popular AG who would be a strong nominee and Chris Coleman has proven to be a popular and effective mayor in St. Paul.  On the other hand the GOP hasn't been able to come up with a top tier candidate and seems to have settled on Jeff Johnson, the Hennepin County Commissioner and losing nominee for governor in 2014. Now, there obviously is still time for someone else to declare (i.e. Tim Pawlenty or his wife) on the GOP side who could change the dynamics of this race.

2. Illinois: Tilt D for now-- this is a race that has been painful to watch as a Democrat. It seems as though every Dem in the primary has either shot themselves in the foot or stuck their foot in their mouth with the exception of Pritzker, who is far from the perfect candidate. All that being said, Rauner is still a weak incumbent in a state with a massive budget crisis (whether that's his fault or not is an issue separate from electoral discussions). In addition, Pritzker will be able to match Rauner dollar for dollar in the general election. Given these factors, plus the solid blue status if IL in a Trump midterm, I have this race as tilt D.

3. Colorado: Although I don't think that Representative Jared Polis is the strongest candidate that the Dems could find for this race, I do think that he is a formidable candidate, is able to self fund, and proven campaigner/fundraiser. On the GOP side no top-tier candidates have emerged yet. Given this and the leftward trend of CO politics recently, I have this as tilt D for now, which could obviously change if we see a new GOP candidate emerge.

More Updates To Come
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Who is your favorite United States Senator from history? on: August 04, 2017, 06:36:12 pm
No Patricular Order:
- Daniel Patrick Moynihan
- Lloyd Bentsen
- Robert LaFolette
- Robert Kennedy
- Hubert Humphrey
- Frank Church
- George McGovern
- Henry "Scoop" Jackson

14  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: NY-27: Chris Collins under Investigation, Loses 17 million bucks + more on: June 28, 2017, 11:23:59 am
Apparently Erie County Exec Mark Poloncarz is considering
15  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: The 'I voted' thread. on: November 08, 2016, 02:31:41 pm
President: Clinton/Kaine (D)
Senate: Kander (D)
Gov: Koster (D)
House: Cleaver (D)
Lieutenant Governor: Russ Carnahan (D)
Secretary of State: Robin Smith (D)
State Treasurer: Judy Baker (D)
Attorney General: Teresa Hensley (D)
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: absentee/early vote thread, part 2 on: November 04, 2016, 11:28:58 pm
Thank you to everyone who has been contributing to this thread... its been a fantastic analysis that I have been following religiously!

I am sorry if this has been answered and I missed it, but I was wondering if anyone knew the most recent D/R/NPA numbers for the state of Florida and an idea of what that means? Thank you so much!
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: IF You Ran for President... What Would the Map look Like? on: September 06, 2016, 11:04:41 pm
This is a great idea!

Match-ups (for fun):
Governor HST1948 (D-NY)/ Senator Martin Heinrich (D-NM) vs. Governor Nikki Haley (R-SC)/ Senator John Thune (R-SD)

Landslide Loss


Close Loss


Close Win


Landslide Win
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: The Confession on: September 06, 2016, 10:19:50 pm
Post DNC Polling


National Polling Average
McGreevey/Gephardt: 48%
Giuliani/Frist: 46%

Swing State Polling:

New Hampshire: McGreevey 49%- Giuliani 44%
Pennsylvania: McGreevey 48%- Giuliani 44%
Virginia: McGreevey 48%- Giuliani 45%
North Carolina: McGreevey 46%- Giuliani 49%
Florida: McGreevey 46%- Giuliani 48%
Ohio: McGreevey 46%- Giuliani 46%
Michigan: McGreevey 50%- Giuliani 44%
Wisconsin: McGreevey 49%- Giuliani 44%
Iowa: McGreevey 46%- Giuliani 45%
Colorado: McGreevey: 48%- Giuliani 46%
Nevada: McGreevey 49%- Giuliani 46%
Arizona: McGreevey 44- Giuliani 50%
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: The Confession on: September 06, 2016, 10:06:46 pm
CNN: Dick Gephardt Takes The Stage In Denver


"Friends, fellow Americans, I have gotten to know Governor McGreevey and I know his values, I know his heart. And I say to you, without one ounce of hesitation or regret: There is no one in these United States with more courage, more judgment, more resolve, more of the knowledge and experience to hold the job of president.

In this ever complex global economy, we need a president like Jim McGreevey, who will turn around the worst job creation record since Herbert Hoover. At a time when world markets are getting more competitive, Jim will put an end to shipping American jobs overseas, to wasteful special-interest bailouts, and instead will invest in the skills and education of our people again. At a time of global terror, Jim McGreevey will take on the terrorists where they live, before they can threaten us where we live. And he will never pursue a go-it-alone foreign policy that leaves America isolated from its friends and hinders the hunt for our enemies.

This year, in this election, there is a candidate whose character has shone through in the many battles he's taken on for our families – as one of the first governors of his state reign in spending and devise a long term solution to New Jersey’s deficit crisis. As a champion of public education and our children's future, Jim McGreevey has been a leader on these issues since his first day in public office almost two decades ago.

And this year, in this election, there is a candidate who understands the middle-class squeeze who understands what it means for a parent to lose a job, for a family to go without health care or be hit by rising college costs.

As some of you know, I've had a single, simple purpose for most of my years in public life: to make it possible for hard-working American families to succeed. To help the growing number of families where both parents work, just to pay the bills; where life is a never-ending scramble of credit-card debt; where it's a struggle to pass on the right values, to teach simple lessons of discipline and respect, right and wrong, to our children.

Instead of just helping those at the top, I think we ought to give everyone a chance to reach the top. And if we strengthen all our families, if we make sure our economy enriches everyone, mark my words, the people at the top will do even better. As Dr. Martin Luther King taught us all: “I can never be what I ought to be until you are what you ought to be.”

Words can be cheap in a political year, we all know that. But I'm going to borrow some familiar ones, to tell you that we need Jim McGreevey as president - because we need a uniter, not a divider, in the White House. We need Jim McGreevey as president because it's time to restore honor and dignity to the White House – to have a president whose whole life is a testament to his goodness and decency, to his courage under fire.

We need Jim McGreevey as president of the United States of America, because he will fight for working families, and help America to be what it ought to be.

I found a true partner in life, my wife Jane who I adore, and children – Matt, Chrissy, Kate – and their families, that I couldn't be prouder of. I had the honor to serve my constituents in the Third Congressional District in Missouri and a gifted and loyal staff who helped me throughout my career. I'm a lucky man. Together they taught me that win or lose, the dream is what matters, the fight is what it's all about. For an America that works for the many, not just for the few; for an America that lifts up all those who have been left out, or locked out, of our bounty and promise.

I ran for President four years ago because I wanted to give those people a voice. And I stand proudly at Jim McGreevey’s Convention because he speaks for them; he strives to lift them up; their cause is his unyielding concern. To all those who have supported me, and to all those who share my dream of a better, brighter American future: thank you, may God bless you, and may God shine on these United States of America"- Vice Presidential Nominee, Dick Gephardt.


Jim McGreevey Accepts the Democratic Nomination For President


"To all my fellow citizens of this great nation; with profound gratitude and great humility, I accept your nomination for the presidency of the United States.

Let me express my thanks to the historic slate of candidates who accompanied me on this journey, and especially the one who traveled the farthest — a champion for working Americans and an inspiration to my daughters and to yours — Hillary Rodham Clinton. To President Clinton, who last night made the case for change as only he can make it; to Ted Kennedy, who embodies the spirit of service; and to the next vice president of the United States, Dick Gephardt, I thank you. I am grateful to finish this journey with one of the finest statesmen of our time, a man at ease with everyone from world leaders to the conductors on the Amtrak train he still takes home every night.

It is the promise of America that has always set this country apart — that through hard work and sacrifice, each of us can pursue our individual dreams but still come together as one American family, to ensure that the next generation can pursue their dreams as well.

That's why I stand here tonight. Because for 232 years, at each moment when that promise was in jeopardy, ordinary men and women — students and soldiers, farmers and teachers, nurses and janitors — found the courage to keep it alive.

We meet at one of those defining moments — a moment when our nation is at war, our economy is in turmoil, and the American promise has been threatened once more.

Tonight, more Americans are out of work and more are working harder for less. More of you have lost your homes and even more are watching your home values plummet. More of you have cars you can't afford to drive, credit card bills you can't afford to pay, and tuition that's beyond your reach.

These challenges are not all of government's making. But the failure to respond is a direct result of a broken politics in Washington and the failed policies of George W. Bush. America, we are better than these last eight years. We are a better country than this.

Tonight, I say to the American people, to Democrats and Republicans and independents across this great land — enough! This moment — this election — is our chance to keep, in the 21st century, the American promise alive. We are here because we love this country too much to let the next four years look like the last eight. On November 4, we must stand up and say: "Eight is enough."

The truth is, on issue after issue that would make a difference in your lives — on health care and education and the economy — Mayor Giuliani has been anything but independent. He said that our economy has made "great progress" under this president. He said that the fundamentals of the economy are strong.

You see, we Democrats have a very different measure of what constitutes progress in this country. We measure progress by how many people can find a job that pays the mortgage; whether you can put a little extra money away at the end of each month so you can someday watch your child receive her college diploma. We measure progress in the 23 million new jobs that were created when Bill Clinton was president — when the average American family saw its income go up $7,500 instead of down $2,000 like it has under George Bush. We measure the strength of our economy not by the number of billionaires we have or the profits of the Fortune 500, but by whether someone with a good idea can take a risk and start a new business, or whether the waitress who lives on tips can take a day off to look after a sick kid without losing her job — an economy that honors the dignity of work.

The fundamentals we use to measure economic strength are whether we are living up to that fundamental promise that has made this country great — a promise that is the only reason I am standing here tonight.

It's a promise that says each of us has the freedom to make of our own lives what we will, but that we also have the obligation to treat each other with dignity and respect.

It's a promise that says the market should reward drive and innovation and generate growth, but that businesses should live up to their responsibilities to create American jobs, look out for American workers, and play by the rules of the road.

Ours is a promise that says government cannot solve all our problems, but what it should do is that which we cannot do for ourselves — protect us from harm and provide every child a decent education; keep our water clean and our toys safe; invest in new schools and new roads and new science and technology.

Our government should work for us, not against us. It should help us, not hurt us. It should ensure opportunity not just for those with the most money and influence, but for every American who's willing to work.

That's the promise of America — the idea that we are responsible for ourselves, but that we also rise or fall as one nation; the fundamental belief that I am my brother's keeper; I am my sister's keeper.
America, we cannot turn back. Not with so much work to be done. Not with so many children to educate, and so many veterans to care for. Not with an economy to fix and cities to rebuild and farms to save. Not with so many families to protect and so many lives to mend. America, we cannot turn back. We cannot walk alone. At this moment, in this election, we must pledge once more to march into the future. Let us keep that promise — that American promise — and in the words of Scripture hold firmly, without wavering, to the hope that we confess.

Thank you, God bless you, and God bless the United States of America"- Governor James McGreevey.

20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: The Confession on: September 06, 2016, 09:26:46 pm
The DNC Continued

John Kerry Gives Enthusiastic Endorsement of McGreevey 




Joe Biden Tell Emotional Story of Scranton Upbringing



President Bill Clinton Talks About The Importance of Democratic Values



Hillary Clinton Makes Impassioned Plea For A Unified Democratic Party


"I am honored to be here tonight. A proud mother. A proud Democrat. A proud American. And a proud supporter of Governor Jim McGreevey.

My friends, it is time to take back the country we love. Whether you voted for me, or voted for Jim, the time is now to unite as a single party with a single purpose. We are on the same team, and none of us can sit on the sidelines. This is a fight for the future. And it's a fight we must win.

I haven't spent the past 35 years in the trenches advocating for children, campaigning for universal health care, helping parents balance work and family, and fighting for women's rights at home and around the world . . . to see another Republican in the White House squander the promise of our country and the hopes of our people.

And you haven't worked so hard over the last 18 months, or endured the last eight years, to suffer through more failed leadership.

Jim McGreevey is my candidate. And he must be our President. Tonight we need to remember what a Presidential election is really about. When the polls have closed, and the ads are finally off the air, it comes down to you — the American people, your lives, and your children's futures.

For me, it's been a privilege to meet you in your homes, your workplaces, and your communities. Your stories reminded me everyday that America's greatness is bound up in the lives of the American people — your hard work, your devotion to duty, your love for your children, and your determination to keep going, often in the face of enormous obstacles.

You taught me so much, you made me laugh, and . . . you even made me cry. You allowed me to become part of your lives. And you became part of mine. I will always be grateful to everyone from all fifty states, Puerto Rico and the territories, who joined our campaign on behalf of all those people left out and left behind by the Bush Administrtation.

To my supporters, my champions — my sisterhood of the traveling pantsuits – from the bottom of my heart: Thank you. You never gave in. You never gave up. And together we made history.

Jobs lost, houses gone, falling wages, rising prices. The Supreme Court in a right-wing headlock and our government in partisan gridlock. The biggest deficit in our nation's history. Money borrowed from the Chinese to buy oil from the Saudis. Putin and Georgia, Iraq and Iran.

I ran for President to renew the promise of America. To rebuild the middle class and sustain the American Dream, to provide the opportunity to work hard and have that work rewarded, to save for college, a home and retirement, to afford the gas and groceries and still have a little left over each month. To promote a clean energy economy that will create millions of green collar jobs. To create a health care system that is universal, high quality, and affordable so that parents no longer have to choose between care for themselves or their children or be stuck in dead end jobs simply to keep their insurance. To create a world class education system and make college affordable again.

To fight for an America defined by deep and meaningful equality - from civil rights to labor rights, from women's rights to gay rights, from ending discrimination to promoting unionization to providing help for the most important job there is: caring for our families. To help every child live up to his or her God-given potential.

To make America once again a nation of immigrants and a nation of laws. To bring fiscal sanity back to Washington and make our government an instrument of the public good, not of private plunder. To restore America's standing in the world, to end the war in Iraq, bring our troops home and honor their service by caring for our veterans. And to join with our allies to confront our shared challenges, from poverty and genocide to terrorism and global warming.

Most of all, I ran to stand up for all those who have been invisible to their government for eight long years.

Those are the reasons I ran for President. Those are the reasons I support Jim McGreevey. And those are the reasons you should too.

We need leaders once again who can tap into that special blend of American confidence and optimism that has enabled generations before us to meet our toughest challenges. Leaders who can help us show ourselves and the world that with our ingenuity, creativity, and innovative spirit, there are no limits to what is possible in America.

This won't be easy. Progress never is. But it will be impossible if we don't fight to put a Democrat in the White House.

We need to elect Jim McGreevey because we need a President who understands that America can't compete in a global economy by padding the pockets of energy speculators, while ignoring the workers whose jobs have been shipped overseas. We need a President who understands that we can't solve the problems of global warming by giving windfall profits to the oil companies while ignoring opportunities to invest in new technologies that will build a green economy.

We need a President who understands that the genius of America has always depended on the strength and vitality of the middle class.

And when Jim McGreevey is in the White House, he'll revitalize our economy, defend the working people of America, and meet the global challenges of our time. Democrats know how to do this. As I recall, President Clinton and the Democrats did it before. And President McGreevey and the Democrats will do it again.

He'll transform our energy agenda by creating millions of green jobs and building a new, clean energy future. He'll make sure that middle class families get the tax relief they deserve. And I can't wait to watch Jim McGreevey sign a health care plan into law that covers every single American.

Jim McGreevey will end the war in Iraq responsibly and bring our troops home – a first step to repairing our alliances around the world.

We don't need four more years . . . of the last eight years. More economic stagnation ...and less affordable health care. More high gas prices ...and less alternative energy. More jobs getting shipped overseas ...and fewer jobs created here. More skyrocketing debt ...home foreclosures ...and mounting bills that are crushing our middle class families. More war . . . less diplomacy. More of a government where the privileged come first ...and everyone else comes last.

We've got to ensure that the choice we make in this election honors the sacrifices of all who came before us, and will fill the lives of our children with possibility and hope.

That is our duty, to build that bright future, and to teach our children that in America there is no chasm too deep, no barrier too great – and no ceiling too high – for all who work hard, never back down, always keep going, have faith in God, in our country, and in each other.

Thank you so much. God bless America and Godspeed to you all"- Senator and Former 2008 Presidential Candidate Hillary Clinton.


Up Next, The Final Night of the DNC with Speeches From Democratic Presidential Nominee Jim McGreevey and Vice Presidential Dick Gephardt.
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: The Confession on: August 15, 2016, 09:14:05 pm
CNN: Night One of the Democratic National Convention
Wolf Blitzer: And now we will be going live to the DNC in Denver, Colorado where Illinois Senator and 2008 Democratic Presidential candidate Barack Obama will be taking the stage at his second DNC.


"If there is anyone out there who still doubts that America is a place where all things are possible, who still wonders if the dream of our founders is alive in our time, who still questions the power of our democracy, tonight is your answer.

It's the answer spoken by young and old, rich and poor, Democrat and Republican, black, white, Hispanic, Asian, Native American, gay, straight, disabled and not disabled. Americans who sent a message to the world that we have never been just a collection of individuals or a collection of red states and blue states.

We are, and always will be, the United States of America.

It's the answer that led those who've been told for so long by so many to be cynical and fearful and doubtful about what we can achieve to put their hands on the arc of history and bend it once more toward the hope of a better day.

It's been a long time coming, but tonight, because of what we did in this primary at this defining time in our history, change will come to America".
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: The Confession on: August 14, 2016, 08:35:46 pm
This is AWESOME! Please include more McGreevey and Golan late night stories please Tongue

Hahahaha, don't worry I will! Tongue
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: The Confession on: August 14, 2016, 08:34:32 pm
Drumthwacket, 3 Days Until the DNC in Denver, CO


Golan Cipel: Jim, we need more mornings like this...

McGreevey rolls over in bed to face Golan.

McGreevey: You know I want that more than anything.

Cipel:You know if we win, were going to have to be more creative about spending time together. Have you thought about what we talked about in terms of my position in the campaign and later administration...

McGreevey:Golan, I told you I ran this by Anita and Bob and they think it would bring undue scrutiny to your position here in the Governor's mansion AND on the campaign...

Cipel: Jim, just remember before I came on you were in third place behind Hillary and Obama and if it hadn't been for his scandal you would've been behind Edwards... So ask your self who is the better advisor... me or Anita and Bob?

McGreevey: How dare...

*** Phone Rings

McGreevey: Hello Antia, what's up?

Anita Dunn: Bob and I are pulling into the driveway at Drumthwacket now... we need to talk.

*** Dial Tone

McGreevey: I have to go Golan... we will talk about this later.



Anita Dunn: Jim, we're going to be honest with you... things aren't good now. We're down at least 8, and in most of the swing state polls. We need the DNC to bring us back or this is it.

Bob Schrum: Please Jim, there can't be any screw ups... our team will take care of everything, but Jim you have to be careful.

McGreevey: Anita, Bob... is this an intervention? I'm confused.

Anita Dunn: Well, Jim you have been reckless at times...

McGreevey: Antia you're over stepping and I don't appreciate this.

Bob Schrum: Jim, Anita and I are just trying to help. We think it would be best if Golan didn't come to Denver...

McGreevey: How dare the two you come into my house and insult me . Let me remind you that we were a losing campaign before Golan came on... so before you say that you have my best interests in mind, I will remind you that Golan has been of far more value than either of you to this campaign...

*** Golan enters the Drumthwacket living room

Anita Dunn: Oh, Jim... you can't honestly be doing this as a presidential candidate.

McGreevey: I've heard enough from the two of you. As of now, Golan will be this campaign's general manager. Now get out of my house... If you still want to be a part of this campaign I will see you in Denver.

24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: The Confession on: August 14, 2016, 04:03:01 pm
CNN: Post RNC Polling Shows Big Bump for Giuliani/Frist


CNN Poll
Giuliain/Frist: 50%
McGreevey/ Gephardt: 42%
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: The Confession on: August 14, 2016, 03:57:40 pm
2008 Republican Presidential Nominee: Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R-NY)



"Thank you… thank you! God bless all of you! I am honored to accept the Republican nomination for President of the United States.

In the decade, there have been major Islamic extremist terrorists’ attacks on us and our allies. We must not be afraid to define our enemy.

It is Islamic extremist terrorism. I did not say all of Islam. I said Islamic extremist terrorism.
Failing to identify them properly maligns decent Muslims around the world. It also sets up a fear of being politically incorrect that can have serious consequences. And it has. This is why our enemies see us as weak and vulnerable.

To defeat Islamic extremist terrorism we must put them on defense. If they are at war against us—which they have declared—we must commit ourselves to unconditional victory against them.

I will make sure that any agreement with Iran meets the original goals of the U.N and our allies: a non-nuclear Iran. I am a leader and I will reassert America’s position as the nation with the best values to lead the world.

I will secure our borders. My opponent has had a chance to make himself clear on this and he has failed. Jim McGreevy is for open borders.

Washington needs a complete turnaround and I am is the agent of change and he will be the leader of the change we need.

A vote for me is a vote for a safer America and for an America headed for greatness! God Bless the United States of America".
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