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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: I'm back on: Today at 12:29:36 am
2  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: Confirmation hearing of Blair for Lincoln Associate SC Justice on: October 16, 2017, 02:13:58 am
Yep, this is all dfwshadylover's fault, can't be another bout of labor incompetence or anything like that, impossible.

Wow, it only took somebody who's totally not involved a grand total of 89 seconds to respond and assert his innocence - truly amazing!

Roll Eyes
lol we both know I stalk you on who's online like the total Atlasian I am

(Creepy) excuses, excuses
3  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: Confirmation hearing of Blair for Lincoln Associate SC Justice on: October 16, 2017, 02:08:32 am
Yep, this is all dfwshadylover's fault, can't be another bout of labor incompetence or anything like that, impossible.

Wow, it only took somebody who's totally not involved a grand total of 89 seconds to respond and assert his innocence - truly amazing!

Roll Eyes
4  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Regional Governments / Re: Confirmation hearing of Blair for Lincoln Associate SC Justice on: October 16, 2017, 02:04:51 am
Boy, there's a whole lot of words in this thread that could've just as easily been expressed as "I did what the President and her online boyfriend told me to do"
5  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: Randy Bryce (@ironstache) internal shows Paul Ryan in big trouble on: October 14, 2017, 06:56:46 pm
Wait, in what world is working in a kitchen not blue collar?

I think it's safe to say the dividing line is somewhere in between working in some fast-food kitchen because you have to, and paying big bucks to a private college for years to study puff pastries, business management or whatever.

Even if we assume his work in the kitchen - however much of it there actually was - makes him a regular joe of sorts, he also owned and sold multiple businesses in the industry and spent the remainder of his career pre-campaign in government and the non-profit sector. I'm sorry, but I doubt he smacks of blue-collar culture with his background (something much more obviously present with a candidate like Bryce) and I clearly remember his campaign trying to frame him as "generic business owner" back in 2012.
6  About this Site / The Atlas / Re: Can we set a size limit on signatures? on: October 14, 2017, 03:58:25 pm
It would be really nice to get a ruling on this from the cave.  It doesn't have to be a written rule, it doesn't have to involve Dave, just fix it wack-a-mole style.  Especially the more over the top examples.  Clearly shaming these people doesn't work because they only do it for the attention anyway (I have a hypothesis forming about this).

We're working on it, and there should be some other, bigger changes sometime in the next few weeks - month.

Oh God no
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: South Dakota High School cancels homecoming after racist stunt on: October 13, 2017, 04:34:35 pm
To be fair, who really cares about "Homecoming" except jocks, cheerleaders and the parents of students who once fell into one of those two categories and still want to live vicariously?
8  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Can you really blame Hillary for not camaigning in Michigan? on: October 12, 2017, 04:31:49 pm
What blows my mind is how the Clinton campaign - even without conducting polling in the final weeks - seemingly had no idea they were hemorrhaging voters in a variety of states, with MI in particular being the perfect example.

I could see the basic argument of "well, we're going to replace every Obama-Trump voter with a Romney-Clinton voter" in PA and maybe even WI, but MI? Where exactly were those voters they thought would make up the difference?

Only Obama managed to make MI non-competitive in recent cycles. It was a 3-point race in 2004 with an arguably better candidate in terms of connecting with working class voters and there was a clearly-obvious national trend among working class types away from Democrats in 2016.



I think MI 2016 was like IN 08 because both would have already been won if they were winning. Discuss.

It's very unlikely that a loss in MI could have happened alongside a Democratic EV win in 2016, even with the possibility of winning states like AZ.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump Likely to Win Re-Election, According to a Dem Strategist on: October 12, 2017, 03:59:32 pm
Do you care to elaborate upon how classism is acceptable, whereas racism and sexism is deplorable?

I'll tell you the same thing as somebody else who thought they'd litter my inbox with complaints over being offended:

I couldn't honestly care less if you're offended. I was born 30 years ago in a single-wide running on well water, grew up in one of the most blue-collar areas of the country and to this day at best can be described as working class. I'll speak about my own people however the hell I want and without fear of being lectured morally by others - including anybody else who might come from the same circumstances.

However, the social commentary there wasn't two-dimensional. I was throwing a (much more graphic and exaggerated) stereotype back in the dude's face to illustrate that his assumptive stereotype (that I may or may not be black, that I must live in ATL because I'm a Democrat, that "ATL is 'disgusting'" etc) was fucking ridiculous and offensive in and of itself. I don't believe in proportional response - especially for shitheads who like to speak in social code and dogwhistles.
10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Why is Nick Saban more informed on the anthem issue than Bill Belichick? on: October 12, 2017, 03:45:20 pm
I don't watch the stuff, but based on a few comments I've seen over the years, it would seem that the Patriots have one of the whiter teams in the NFL at minimum. If I had to guess based on just natural population distribution and preferential enrollment for players, University of Alabama would probably be on the other end of the spectrum (whether we're talking about college or NFL) in terms of racial composition.

Based on this photo from 2015 (and admittedly having to guess race based on skin tone for the most part in a low resolution photo), it'd appear that about half of those pictured (team + staff) are black. The NFL as a whole is around 70% black, according to this (this article seems to suggest college football is a bit less black overall, but I imagine Alabama is above average). This might also be an issue.
11  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: Labor National Convention Ė Fall 2017 on: October 12, 2017, 03:15:21 pm
Eh, screw it: I'll accept the nominations for my candidacy as Chair.
12  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: PPP: 12 polls of competitive House districts on: October 12, 2017, 02:59:56 pm
Guys, PPP and whatever PAC funded this wouldn't be selectively leaking the polls if the goal was to show some sort of blue wave (when the polls basically show an environment that is statistically tied and maybe indicative of Dems picking up 5-10 seats at most).

If anything, many of these races are more GOP than expectations would have you believe, not less.
13  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Most 2020 Dems won't take a position on Universal Basic Income on: October 11, 2017, 11:12:40 pm
Of course they're not. You'll have a federal budget of $5 trillion at minimum under status quo spending (+ a total elimination of Social Security) coupled with any meaningful UBI - say, $10k per year for every adult. There's no way you could eliminate Medicaid/Medicare. If you include children under UBI at the same amount, add another trillion. Throw in single-payer and you're getting very close to a $10 trillion budget/a majority of the economy.

We're not at a point where people are going to accept such phenomenal spending increases - even if they weren't paying the brunt of it, even if it's good for them in net terms and even if you rationally explain it to them in classic left-of-center fashion. Look at how much people freaked out over $100-200b per year in new ACA taxes: of course, there are some people out there who think the public would be fine with 10-20x that amount in taxes so long as it's easily explained or whatever.
14  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump Likely to Win Re-Election, According to a Dem Strategist on: October 11, 2017, 08:10:01 pm
If a bunch of white trash loaded up with guns lived in closer proximity to one another, I guarantee you the homicide rate would be even higher than it is among those "disgusting Democrat cities".

Why are you so obsessed with how many white people kill themselves anyway? The highest suicide rate in the world is South Korea, and I don't think "lol dead ASian racists!" no, I hope they improve on that and lower the rate.

Is this the respect you were talking about?

Imagine how crappy your life is when you celebrate the suicide rate of your own countrymen. You need to find employment, it's not the 1%'s fault you don't have a job.

Establishment Democrat 1: "Haha, look at all those rural white males committing suicide!"
Establishment Democrat 2: "Hey, any idea why we aren't doing so well with working class whites?"
Establishment Democrat 1: "Beats me."

WTF are you talking about?

Who knows. Jfern is an idiot loon from CA who doesn't even personally come from the white working class ethos but thinks he has all the solutions for us by pushing for his own warped definition of "Full Socialism" or whatever.
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Why haven't liberals rushed to Weinstein's defense like cons w/Trump? on: October 11, 2017, 06:36:26 pm
Maybe because Weinstein is just some random movie guy that nobody on the Left actually cares about?

Not our fault conservatives knee-jerk against everything to defend/oppose and automatically assume:

"guys who makes movies -> 'Hollywood Jew' -> 'important Democrat'"
16  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump Likely to Win Re-Election, According to a Dem Strategist on: October 11, 2017, 06:25:57 pm

Tougher punishment has been in force for 30 years; hasn't worked.

America's crime rate is the lowest it's been in 50 years but is steadily rising as Democrats give criminals more and more power.

Except that the vast, vast majority of crime is handled by state and local authorities (not federal), and jurisdictions that did not implement "muh tough on crime" crap have seen just as large drops in the crime rate as those that have. There is no statistical evidence to suggest your tough on crime nonsense works. If anything, it causes actual "crime" to skyrocket as more and more activities are policed and/or made illegal.

Crime rates began to plummet as soon as those born right around Roe v. Wade started becoming adults and the internet became prolific. Thankfully, you're raging on here instead of burying women in your basement somewhere!
17  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump Likely to Win Re-Election, According to a Dem Strategist on: October 11, 2017, 06:11:07 pm
>Still business hours in CA
>Still raging
>Still deflecting
>Still acting like he has a job

Why are you so obsessed with how many black people kill each other? You don't actually care.

What do you get out of virtue signalling? Do you feel it gives you a pat on the back? Do you congratulate yourself? I am seriously interested in finding out.

I believe the way to reduce crime is to create well paying jobs and tougher punishment - the opposite of a Democrat.

And I do care about murders, why do you think I am a Republican? Jeez man. I literally said that earlier before you went on your weird virtue signalling rant.

Tougher punishment has been in force for 30+ years; hasn't worked. Turns out, most people commit crimes understanding the risks involved and do it anyway. Deterrence is a joke, especially for capital punishment-related offenses. Abortion and the internet have had bigger influences on falling crime rates than your politicians' posturings come campaign time on the issue of crime.

"Virtue signalling" is a term invented by the Right, to attempt to discredit anybody calling them out on their bigoted, "disgusting" nonsense because they think the person they're accusing is more like them than any group that person chooses to defend. The only problem with this is that your ideology has attacked and defamed so many cross-sections of society that the vast majority of those people choose to stand together regardless of their differences (which, again, are based on your own shallow observations regarding race, religion, gender, etc).

And no, you don't care about murders. You care about using "urban crime" as a prop and excuse to enforce your already-blatant ideological worldview of how the majority in this country should be subjugated to your cultural and socioeconomic whims. If you cared about these individuals finding jobs and having opportunity, you'd be making it easier for them to vote, not harder. But you do know better what's good for them, don't you?
18  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump Likely to Win Re-Election, According to a Dem Strategist on: October 11, 2017, 06:02:27 pm
If a bunch of white trash loaded up with guns lived in closer proximity to one another, I guarantee you the homicide rate would be even higher than it is among those "disgusting Democrat cities".

Why are you so obsessed with how many white people kill themselves anyway? The highest suicide rate in the world is South Korea, and I don't think "lol dead ASian racists!" no, I hope they improve on that and lower the rate.

Is this the respect you were talking about?

Imagine how crappy your life is when you celebrate the suicide rate of your own countrymen. You need to find employment, it's not the 1%'s fault you don't have a job.

>Still business hours in CA
>Still raging
>Still deflecting
>Still acting like he has a job

Why are you so obsessed with how many black people kill each other? You don't actually care.
19  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump Likely to Win Re-Election, According to a Dem Strategist on: October 11, 2017, 05:58:53 pm
who blew their brains out because their lives were just so pathetic because they never accomplished anything?
                                                

The most dangerous cities in the USA are ALL Democrat, none Republicans.

It's gotten so bad in some Democrat cities they're now trying to blame Republicans lol. You got Chicago trying to blame it's extreme violence on Indiana LMAO.



If a bunch of white trash loaded up with guns lived in closer proximity to one another, I guarantee you the homicide rate would be even higher than it is among those "disgusting Democrat cities".
20  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump Likely to Win Re-Election, According to a Dem Strategist on: October 11, 2017, 05:50:53 pm
Nah, I posted an image of a quote from one of your party's modern architects - who did the exact same thing you're doing now. Except he was intellectually honest at some point about his arguments, instead of vaguely referring to "rat slums", "urban third world conditions", "disgusting" cities and all the other coded language you racists use to talk about black people.

Then you have the audacity to try and say I'm the one insinuating this? LMAO - only racist conservatives buy into the "You're the real racist" nonsense, because it's the only deflection you have. You guys really hate being called on your shit, and when somebody holds the mirror up to your face, you freak out.

Nah I have always lived in very diverse areas - unlike Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, and Barack Obama. It's obvious why I mentioned Atlanta - you're from Georgia. If you were from Indiana I would've said Indianapolis, Minnesota I would have said Minneapolis.

My actions speak louder than words. I have fought for equality my whole life (I actually learned Spanish for that reason). While most Democrats abandoned this city I decided to learn Spanish and help people here.

And I will continue to fight for it. Just like Trump.



Yes, how benevolent of you to just assume that any poster conveniently lives in the "most urban" part of a particular state. Also quite convenient!
21  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump Likely to Win Re-Election, According to a Dem Strategist on: October 11, 2017, 05:49:28 pm
1965: the beginning of the era where the GOP could talk openly about "ghettos", "welfare queens", "young bucks", "states rights" and subconsciously communicate the n-word chant without anybody calling them out on it. That era is over.
22  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump Likely to Win Re-Election, According to a Dem Strategist on: October 11, 2017, 05:47:47 pm
^^^ Whoops, forgot to mention the "some of my best cities are white!" attempt there, lol.
23  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump Likely to Win Re-Election, According to a Dem Strategist on: October 11, 2017, 05:46:10 pm
You used the n-word when you called Atlanta "disgusting". We all know what that shit means, dum-dum. This isn't 1965. Just because I'm holding a mirror up to your nasty face doesn't mean I'm responsible for the reflection.

Go ahead and share with us your thoughts about "Chicago" and "Detroit" while you're at it, too. Maybe we can even get a dialogue going about "inner city crime" and "urban thugs"!

1. You used the n-word, not me. You're the only who used a racist term.

2. Atlanta according to Morgan Quitno had the highest crime rate in the country in the mid-90s (when I lived there). WTF are you talking about "this isn't 1965" for?!

The fact of the matter is, Democrats have ruined every city they've ruled over. Kansas City was another dump I've lived in and it's majority white.

Nah, I posted an image of a quote from one of your party's modern architects - who did the exact same thing you're doing now. Except he was intellectually honest at some point about his arguments, instead of vaguely referring to "rat slums", "urban third world conditions", "disgusting" cities and all the other coded language you racists use to talk about black people.

Then you have the audacity to try and say I'm the one insinuating this? LMAO - only racist conservatives buy into the "You're the real racist" nonsense, because it's the only deflection you have. You guys really hate being called on your shit, and when somebody holds the mirror up to your face, you freak out.
24  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump Likely to Win Re-Election, According to a Dem Strategist on: October 11, 2017, 05:39:37 pm
Democrats could have won the House popular vote by double digits and would still have lost because of gerrymandering. That's a fact.

Chicago: http://www.illinoisobserver.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/illinois-4th-district-map-gerrymandering.jpg

And the Republicans would win every election if we had voter ID laws.

Pretty big words for a party that hasn't managed to get its foot in the White House with the most votes in 30 years.
25  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump Likely to Win Re-Election, According to a Dem Strategist on: October 11, 2017, 05:38:38 pm
Go ahead and say it: you'll feel better once you're being intellectually honest with everybody:



Using the n-word are we?

I am disgusted, and won't lower myself to your level.

Tell me which makes you more "disgusted":

"Atlanta", or your feelings right now?

Atlanta in the 90s (when I lived there) literally had the highest crime rate in the USA.

Now it's MY fault that happened.

And you used the n-word - I haven't and won't. I live in a diverse area and I respect all people. I noticed socialists on Reddit always use the n-word as well.

You used the n-word when you called Atlanta "disgusting". We all know what that shit means, dum-dum. This isn't 1965. Just because I'm holding a mirror up to your nasty face doesn't mean I'm responsible for the reflection.

Go ahead and share with us your thoughts about "Chicago" and "Detroit" while you're at it, too. Maybe we can even get a dialogue going about "inner city crime" and "urban thugs"!
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