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1  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Jesus = good. Yahweh/Allah = evil. Trinity = evil? on: November 13, 2017, 01:56:18 pm
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In Chrestianity, which I think was the original Gnostic Christianity before Christianity took it over and changed the name to Christianity

What
2  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus w on: September 19, 2017, 11:01:52 am
Both Christianity and Islam have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

Regards
DL


You've made this exact post before.
3  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Which commandments do you think are superior; Yahweh’s or Gnostic Christianity’s on: September 18, 2017, 02:16:20 am
Spare me your "free-thought", "love-thy-neighbor" nonsense. "Thou shalt not boil a kid in its mother's milk": now THAT'S a commandment.
4  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Who is worse? Satan or God? on: September 12, 2017, 12:05:18 pm
If you do not, then your morals are corrupted as you ignore the Golden Rule.

If you've ever gotten into a Canadian standoff, you would know that the Golden Rule is not infallible.

5  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Who is worse? Satan or God? on: September 10, 2017, 03:03:47 pm
Someone isn't "immoral" for having a different value system.

True, unless like Christianity and Islam, one is following an immoral ideology which includes homophobia and misogyny.

Being homophobic or misogynistic is only immoral if you believe that homophobia and misogyny are wrong, my dude.
6  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Who is worse? Satan or God? on: September 10, 2017, 11:26:52 am
Both Christianity and Islam have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.

Someone isn't "immoral" for having a different value system.
7  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Which afterlife options (including lack of one) are most "acceptable" to you? on: September 10, 2017, 11:17:07 am
Not very open-minded, maaan

You say that just because you cannot refute how thinking and subatomic particles work.

You say that because you cannot refute how personal experience works.
8  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Who is worse? Satan or God? on: September 09, 2017, 07:01:28 pm
I cannot blame what I do not believe in.

You sure do spend a lot of time thinking about something that you don't believe in!
9  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Which afterlife options (including lack of one) are most "acceptable" to you? on: September 09, 2017, 06:59:01 pm
The cessation of time is a widely-attested phenomenon, even in this life. Go talk to someone who's dropped a lot of acid.
I will let you as you seem to be one of them coming up with such garbage.

Not very open-minded, maaan
10  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Who is worse? Satan or God? on: September 09, 2017, 01:16:34 pm
So what I'm getting from all this, DL, is that you are a weak man, unable to resist the temptations of The Accuser, and you blame God for letting him have power over you - when, in fact, it is you who choose to let him into your life, every single time.

Very, very sad.
11  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Which afterlife options (including lack of one) are most "acceptable" to you? on: September 09, 2017, 01:12:42 pm
Without time, your thoughts which are made up of subatomic particles that move, must have time to move.

This is obvious to any who know how the subatomic world and nature works.

The cessation of time is a widely-attested phenomenon, even in this life. Go talk to someone who's dropped a lot of acid.
12  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Who is worse? Satan or God? on: September 09, 2017, 01:55:21 am
God is said to know everything. This aside.

The chance to overcome temptation exists for our benefit, too.

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If God is proving us, then what good is that proof when it is looked for in someone who you have made sure is deceived?

That is entrapment of a high order.

Sorry, who's being deceived here?

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Yes I have read the book of Job.

Especially Job 2;3 where god admits that he is evil by saying that Satan moved him to hurt without a just cause.

It's the motivation that makes an act evil, not the act itself.

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Do you like that God, as a Mafia don, so to speak, sent his hit man to kill while not taking the blame for it?

I'm pretty sure God took the blame, considering that his final speech boils down to "I'm in control, so don't doubt my purposes", followed by him reprimanding Job's moralizing friends.

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Do you see God as good or evil for those useless murders?

I see him as neither. He was advancing the plot.
13  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Which afterlife options (including lack of one) are most "acceptable" to you? on: September 09, 2017, 12:07:08 am
If there is no time in heaven, then we could not think as that takes time. One may as well be dead. Consciously dead that is.

You don't need time to think if you know all things simultaneously.

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Boredom in Yahweh`s heaven was likely s likely what caused Satan to choose hell instead of heaven before she rebelled against God.

You're probably right - half the world's evil is inspired by sheer boredom.
14  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Who is worse? Satan or God? on: September 08, 2017, 01:05:27 am
Can you tell us why Satan, if just an accuser, would be gifted the power to deceive the whole world, from God's own being?

Because God wants to prove his followers. Have you even read the Book of Job, bro?
15  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Which afterlife options (including lack of one) are most "acceptable" to you? on: September 08, 2017, 12:03:53 am
I think the only worthy afterlife would be one where anyone could die when they get bored with whatever heaven is found.

I think the norm would be to go insane if a person had to live for 10000000000000000000000000000000000 + years.

Perhaps that is why God is not showing his immoral face around for us to judge his sorry ass. God has gone insane.

How many years do you think you would last in your heaven?

I cannot fathom more than a few hundred.

Regards
DL


Surely, one has to assume that neither time nor boredom will be permitted through the pearly gates.
16  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Turkey's new school year: Evolution out, jihadism in for elementary school kids on: September 05, 2017, 05:31:25 pm
In my original argument, I said that parents should have control over how their children are educated unless there is a very important reason to override their wishes. Examples of a "very important reason" include: the child has to learn it to be a reasonably well functioning member of society,

Well under that criteria, governments in Muslim countries could force even non-Muslim children to receive Islamic educations. Do you think that would be defensible?
17  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: The Mormonism Thread 2.0 on: August 15, 2017, 05:30:10 pm
What do you think of the September Six? Do you think that there's any chance that Mormonism will recognize its radical origins, or do you see it moving closer and closer to mainstream Protestantism?

Personally, I don't think any of the September Six should have been excommunicated, and that it was a bad move on the Church's part.

As for the radical origins or getting closer to Protestantism question, I'm not sure. We're kind of in a rut right now, unwilling to go back to our fairly radical origins but treasuring some of the teachings that came from that, but also unwilling to go fully into mainstream Protestantism.

Is this rut a product of the Church hierarchy, lay members, or both?

On a related note, are there any wide variations in how Mormons see themselves? For example, are American Mormons more likely to see their faith as another branch of Protestantism (owing to their relative acceptance by the predominantly Protestant society in which they live), while non-American Mormons are more likely to see it as something unparalleled in post-Apostasy Christianity?
18  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Swiss hotel under fire for anti-semitic swimming-pool advice on: August 15, 2017, 03:10:48 pm
At least the pool wasn't closed due to AIDS!
19  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Who is worse? Satan or God? on: July 01, 2017, 12:27:18 am
Satan doesn't tell people what to do with a long list of rules and he hasn't killed millions of people. He doesn't tell you to not use his name is vain and he doesn't go around putting curses on individuals.

God is basically a police officer in deity form.

Satan means "the accuser". Please flesh out your analogy in light of this fact.
20  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Opinion of the Hajj on: June 28, 2017, 08:16:09 pm
     Santiago de Compostela is a famous Christian pilgrimage site, with over a quarter of a million people last year traveling the Camino de Santiago. BRTD can't do that though, because it's Catholic.

Good point: there are tons of locations associated with different Christian saints, and any one of them could serve as a focus of pilgrimage.

Of course, if we want to avoid the "Mecca problem", we might have to start sanctifying more Americans.
21  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Religiosity poll on: June 28, 2017, 08:02:55 pm
1 - Religion/spirituality is very important in my life
2 - I seldom or never attend a religious service
3 - I pray/meditate daily
4 - I believe in a God/higher power, but with some doubt
5 - I consider myself religious
22  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: What happened to Jesus of Nazareth? on: June 19, 2017, 12:39:47 pm
This post helps prove my point: If the Muslim Jesus doesn't fit the Jewish definition of the messiah, and he doesn't fit the Christian definition of the messiah, then why do they call him the messiah?

This doesn't really answer the other questions the Muslim account of Jesus raises, but the obvious answer is "because He fits the Muslim definition of the messiah".

I get that. It's just, why would anyone believe the Muslim definition of the messiah (which is never actually given to a satisfactory degree) over the Jewish or Christian definitions of the messiah, which predate it by centuries? Which definition is most likely to be authentic, and which is most likely to be a fabrication? But this is a criticism of Islam in general I guess.

If Muslims had a better knowledge of the Bible (sanctified by Muhammad himself as divinely-inspired), they could probably give a respectable answer to my query. I'm sure Muslims believe that everything they need to know is already contained in the Quran, and I guess I understand that, but I still think that that ignorance is causing us to miss a huge opportunity for interfaith dialogue.
23  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: What happened to Jesus of Nazareth? on: June 18, 2017, 11:36:30 pm
I mean, there was no preexisting Jewish tradition that a Messiah would be divine or immune from death. King David is granted the title "Annointed One" (Literally Messiah) and he was neither of those things. He was the powerful and successful king who seized Jerusalem and made it the capital of the Israelite kingdom...which is more or less what the ancient Jews were expecting their Messiah to be: a descendant of David who would seize Jerusalem and the Holy Land and start a new holy Kingdom ruled by the line of David.

Christianity changes the story dramatically because it claims Jesus was not only the Messiah of the Jews, but, more importantly, was the Son of God and, by extension, Savior of all Mankind. To the Christian, Jesus not establishing a kingdom in Israel is irrelevant because he rules over a more important Kingdom of Heaven, and Jesus' death is a sign of success, not failure.

It's just worth keeping in mind that that perspective, the Christian one, is very much a flipped script and a radical departure from the traditional concept of what a Messiah would look like (and a massive departure from the idea of what a Messiah would look like that Jews are still waiting for).

This post helps prove my point: If the Muslim Jesus doesn't fit the Jewish definition of the messiah, and he doesn't fit the Christian definition of the messiah, then why do they call him the messiah?
24  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: What happened to Jesus of Nazareth? on: June 18, 2017, 12:06:45 am
As Muslims, we don't believe Jesus ever died on the cross but was saved by God before he could be crucified and will return in the End Times and destroy the Cross of those who distorted his message.

The only account of Jesus's message we have is contained in the gospels, where he insists repeatedly on the necessity of his own death, often citing scripture to support his position. The Muslim position here is untenable.

Not that I'm a Muslim or anything, but how can we possibly know if the Gospel account is accurate? It could have easily been telephone-gamed or deliberate altered due to the agendas of the first- and second-century writers.

Even though Muslims don't believe Jesus was divine, they do believe that he was the Messiah to the Jews, which Jesus also claimed of himself. Now, Muslims have never really gone into what that means, but in the gospels, Jesus does - and in every one of them, he emphasizes the importance of his own death. You could say that the gospel writers were just trying to account for the execution of their cult leader by making up preposterous stories (something that other religious and secular cults don't do, btw), but if you're a Muslim, it makes more sense to believe that Jesus would have explained the circumstances of his death to his apostles before the event. Which leaves unexplained the question of why his followers would need to invent anything - and why those faithful among them would tolerate such inventions!
25  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Is Joshua Chapter 5 meant to cut off so abruptly? on: June 16, 2017, 02:05:57 pm
Since there's nothing particularly special about the city of Jericho, I think the point is that every foot of ground in the Promised Land is holy.

This is a lot less confusing to me than the part in Exodus where God makes an attempt on Moses's life (immediately after interviewing him on Mount Horeb), only to retreat when Zipporah anoints her husband with their son's foreskin.
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