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1  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Opinion of NewNameNoah? on: October 09, 2017, 04:19:44 pm
This made me sad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_0nhyP6dU4
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: BBC: Trump Rolls Back Access to Birth Control through the ACA on: October 06, 2017, 03:53:40 pm
I'm pissed off that 'beliefs' seem to trump actual f-cking biology.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump: NFL should fire players who kneel during anthem on: September 24, 2017, 04:48:11 pm
I never stand for the anthem for a variety of reasons one mainly being the countries views on Arabs and Muslims. And guess what, it's perfectly my right as an American to do that. It's not unamerican as the TRIGGERED right claims it is.

I do not see a problem with NFL players kneeling either. It's another false outrage the President and the right have.

America is not Anti Muslim or Anti Arab

You mean aside from the atmosphere of Islamophobia and racism directed towards Arabs and those who appear to be Arab to ignorant people, the government's history of racial profiling of Arabs and Muslims, the spying on Muslim communities following 9/11, the government's recent ban on people from several predominantly Muslim countries (while ignoring that the perpetrators of 9/11 were majority Saudi (excluded from the ban list) and most American terrorist attacks were conducted by people born in Western countries), and the hysterical right-wing conspiracies that are believed by a significant number of Americans (such as around half of Republican voters believing Obama is a Muslim)?

The fact is if you are an refugee or immigrant from the middle east you should not call America anti muslim as it was America who gave you a better life.

So, no matter how you're treated in this country, you should shut up and accept it? It's understandable to see why Muslims may feel this way. We've been bombing and invading majority Muslim countries for nearly two decades now, engaged in imperialistic actions there for decades, many leaders (such as the President) espouse Islamophobia, they've been systematically targeted by the legal system and law enforcement, refugees and other citizens from Muslim majority countries have been scapegoated and banned from the country, and are often subjected to bigotry, discrimination, and domestic terrorism (bombing of mosques). The American government is anti-Muslim, despite the fact that it allows Muslims residence and (for most) ability to immigrate here. America's attitude and policies towards Muslims (domestically and internationally) need to be radically changed.

What about the British national anthem that the players stood for? Are the British not imperialists? "The sun never sets on the British Empire!"

I dislike the UK so much I want to leave it, but one of your colonies is almost entirely without power after a hurricane. But that's 'their' problem right? And while the UK isn't a flag bearer for race relations, at least 70 years ago US black servicemen could get counter service.
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump: NFL should fire players who kneel during anthem on: September 24, 2017, 01:28:49 pm
Enforced patriotism is really weird, so kudos to anyone who shows some 'disrespect' to convention.
5  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Is it possible to be a Christian, Jew, or Muslim and be pro-choice? on: September 23, 2017, 06:33:09 am
Hosea prays for god's intervention to cause the women of the Ephraim miscarry which they do. He then rips open the pregnant women of Samaria and the women of Tappuah. Numbers 5 proscribes a ritual punishment which is likely an induced abortion.

But yeah.
6  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Australia General Discussion 2.0 on: September 17, 2017, 07:50:14 am
I'm genuinely surprised thanks to recent events, at how sinister the Australian right is.
7  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Who is worse? Satan or God? on: September 11, 2017, 02:33:10 pm
The only thing worse than DL's posts are the self congratulatory responses to them.
8  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Did you attend church or any other service for National Day of Prayer? on: September 07, 2017, 10:33:49 am
A National Day of Prayer is the theological equivalent of having straight pride.
9  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Which afterlife options (including lack of one) are most "acceptable" to you? on: September 06, 2017, 04:50:19 pm
From the Big Bang to 1984, my non existence didn't inconvenience me. It had no existential impact on my existence as I'm experiencing it. I have no doubt my future non-existence will be much different. I came from atoms, I'll return to atoms. Can't get much fairer than that.
10  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: ok this has to be afleitch right? on: September 05, 2017, 03:27:47 am
Ha! It's the sort of thing I would say but I've been grindr free for five years Smiley
11  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Opinion of Complementarianism on: September 04, 2017, 08:50:20 am
Patriarchal religious bullsh**t.
12  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Who is worse? Satan or God? on: September 04, 2017, 08:49:03 am
Is this a serious question? With God you are rewarded with eternal paradise in heaven. With Satan you are punished with eternal damnation in the depths of hell

Which god determines.


But if you side with Satan you automatically go there

Which god determines.

Think about it this way, God is having a party and it's big enough for him to invite all his friends, it's unlike anything you've ever seen and he wants you to come. Meanwhile, Satan is Gods enemy and he wants to crash the party. God knows who Satan is so he won't get in. But Satan would try to send one of his followers to do his dirty work for him. In Gods situation, would you allow for a soldier of your enemy to enter your house? No. If you are a follower of the Evil One, you would be better off at his house

No. Satan is just a ham fisted attempt, alongside 'free will' to address the problem of evil.
13  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Who is worse? Satan or God? on: September 03, 2017, 03:35:41 pm
Is this a serious question? With God you are rewarded with eternal paradise in heaven. With Satan you are punished with eternal damnation in the depths of hell

Which god determines.


But if you side with Satan you automatically go there

Which god determines.
14  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Who is worse? Satan or God? on: September 03, 2017, 01:46:03 pm
Is this a serious question? With God you are rewarded with eternal paradise in heaven. With Satan you are punished with eternal damnation in the depths of hell

Which god determines.
15  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Millennials Leaving the Church on: August 31, 2017, 03:48:22 am
Idk, there's very little to support the claim of Jesus being resurrected except for "his followers strongly believed it." Just because people believe in miracles doesn't make it true; heck, belief in the supernatural and miraculous events was widespread all over the Near East in that time. You can find true believers of modern day miracle-doers, some who'd probably give their lives if they believed strongly enough.

Imo, we can dismiss that literal resurrection actually occurred because we know scientifically it's impossible. Working from there, we can come up with other theories. I'm convinced that something occurred that many people witnessed, but it was either misinterpreted or exaggerated/embellished.

I agree that the resurrection claim on its own .  Of course, none of this means that Christianity is certainly true, simply that I believe a strong case can be made for it based on historical evidence.  Back to the context of the thread, I would argue that better teaching in apologetics would convince more young people to stick with Christianity, even if it's still imperfect. 


I would refer you to this fantastic site, specifically to the negations argument:
https://beliefmap.org/jesus-resurrected/
1. Jesus is the most influential human being who has ever existed.  I would argue that this fact alone means that the accounts of his resurrection should be taken far more seriously than other miracle claims, because the inherent probability of him being a divine figure is much higher on this account, especially when one considers that this is consistent with the Christian teaching that God would spend the Holy Spirit to the Earth to draw people to the repentance and belief in Jesus and make disciples of all the nations.
2. Jesus fulfills many Jewish prophesies of a Messiah.  So this is a miracle claim that has a foundation in past predictions, which again heightens the probability that this is a miracle
3. As Christian bishop NT Wright puts it, both the empty tomb and the post-crucifixion appearances of Jesus to his disciples are like two half-arches that are historical facts, and the resurrection is the cornerstone that ties them together and offers the best explanation of the facts.  Even opponents to Christianity concede the empty tomb  as recorded by Early Church Fathers, which is a critical piece of evidence in favor of the resurrection.

So retrospectively, we have a man who impacted human history more than any other and is worshipped as God by 2 billion people around the world, whose life circumstances were extraordinary in relation to the much-earlier descriptions of the Jewish messiah; we further see evidence of numerous post-resurrection experiences and an empty tomb.  With respect to the resurrection being unscientific, the basic Christian premise is that the laws of nature are upheld by God and can be changed in the event of a miracle; arguing that miracles are unscientific is simply dismissing the possibility of a God with supernatural power, which to me is an unreasonable starting point when investigating the Gospels if we rule out supernatural explanations without further examining the evidence.

Jesus is not particularly influential in the Middle East, India or China.  His influence overlaps areas where Christianity is prevalent.

Jesus does not fulfill Jewish prophesies of a messiah as there are still Jews who objectively have suffered more than most other religious groups (and often at the hands of Christians) to maintain that belief. Muslims also feel the same way. Whether or not someone fulfilled Jewish prophesies really should only concern those who believe Jaweh is the one and only god and the Jews were its chosen people (who happened to be the same tribe that worshipped it). Would be converts told that Jesus fulfilled the prophecy of another religion except that religion doesn't believe he did and Islam doesn't think that either isn't exactly a 'wow' moment.

The historicity of the empty tomb is easily refutable.

There were no guards at the tomb in the Gospel of Mark. If the empty tomb teaching pre-dated Mark, Mark would have addressed the naturally occurring issue of grave robbery in his gospel. Instead, it is only after Mark makes his announcement of an empty tomb that we see a Matthew addressing the issue originally raised by Mark.

Why did the empty tomb suddenly became a very important detail that needed to be emphasized in all 4 canonical gospels when previously no one found it important enough to mention in writing?

Paul (in the earliest Christian account of the resurrection) claims the risen Christ appeared before him just as the risen Christ appeared before the disciples. But Paul did not witness a flesh and blood risen Christ. Paul gives us no reason to believe anybody witnesses a flesh and blood risen Christ. So Paul gives us no reason to believe the tomb was empty.

In the gospels, the disappearance of Christ's physical body needed to be explained with an ascension. Paul says nothing about an ascension. Paul has no reason to explain the disappearance of Christ's physical body because Paul's risen Christ has no physical body.

The gospel of John reveals the fact that a non-corporeal risen-Christ was among the earliest traditions of Christianity. The stone blocking the entrance to the tomb was rolled aside but, in John 20, the risen Christ could walk through walls. If the risen Christ could walk through walls then surely he could have walked through the stone blocking the entrance to the tomb.

The absence of an empty tomb tradition until approx. 70 AD also explains why no one really knows where Christ was buried. No one gave a thought to where the resurrection miracle had occurred until approx. 70 AD. That's because, prior to approx. 70 AD, the resurrection miracle was a purely spiritual event and did not involve a disappearing  flesh and blood corpse

A non-corporeal resurrection was a part of Jewish tradition: "The view expressed in the [Dead Sea] Scrolls accord in general with those attributed by Josephus (Antiq. XVIII.i.5; War II.viii.11) to the Essenes, with whom, indeed, the Qumran sectaries may be identical...They held that although bodies were perishable, souls endured and mounted upward, the good to the realm of bliss, the evil to be consigned to a place of torment. This view is expressed also in Wisd. Sol. 3:1ff.; 5:16; Jub. 25; while something of the same kind--though without the reference to ultimate judgment--appears in Eccl. 12:7 ('the dust returns to the earth as it was, and the spirit returns to God')

16  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: UK General Discussion: 2017 and onwards, Mayhem on: August 30, 2017, 03:29:51 pm
Please let it be Anas.
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Ben Shapiro on Houston vs Berkeley on: August 29, 2017, 02:08:12 am
Agreed that both parties use identity politics to distract people from what terrible neoliberal parties they are. Both Antifa and the white supremacists are helping keep the people divided and the neoliberals in power.

I wonder what you'd start saying if those dastardly neoliberals were ever not in power.

They'd probably just pretend to not be in power. If they were ever actually not in power, I'd be in total shock.

Going by your track record if 'neoliberals' stopped being in power you'd be the last to notice.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump approval ratings thread 1.1 on: August 16, 2017, 02:13:20 pm
@Mondale, that graphic is telling and further provides the evidence of a Balkanization of America. The fact that high % of Trump voters say white persecution is a thing here in the US is mind-boggling but they really do believe it. Per my other post in the other thread, the die-hard GOP is at the us vs. them stage at this point.
I'll go farther. That poll is super scary. Even as pessimistic as I am, I could hardly believe those numbers.
I mean, almost HALF of the respondents agree with the INSANE proposition that there is "a lot of dicrimination against white people". I mean, for f**k's sake. How ignorant would you have to be to honestly believe that. Jesus.

It will only get worse as they continue to push this crap and the US sees more changes (see figure below) but will improve once the crazies start to diminish as a percent of the US population



I think we are heading to a Balkanization or a South African situation in American politics.



I think the US will secularise at a faster rate; it's maybe about 20 years behind Europe now but 10 years behind in the 18-34 cohort.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Protestors Topple Confederate Monument in North Carolina on: August 15, 2017, 02:17:11 pm
It is really remarkable that Americans are now further from achieving Lincoln's dream of national unity than they were in 1890; there are people in this thread right now who feel more animosity towards the Confederacy than did many of the men who actually fought against it.

That most of you seem to view the civil war as 'WWII on American soil' is an indictment of the American educational system.
And exactly why should we not feel animosity towards people who were fighting to protect slavery?

Everyone practiced slavery at that time including blacks in Africa who sold their siblings as animals, The left is pathetic.

Actually, the US was one of the last countries to abolish slavery and it needed a war to do it. It was the last functioning democracy to do so. Only Spain, Portugal, Brazil and a handful of semi autonomous Arab states had not abolished slavery by the time of the civil war.
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Protestors Topple Confederate Monument in North Carolina on: August 15, 2017, 01:48:39 pm
That history, in the South, was written by the losers probably should be corrected now. Better late than never.
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Did Obama condemn the black men who killed the cops in TX and LA? on: August 14, 2017, 02:00:47 pm
Answered.

... [torie]
22  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Opinion of Thomas from NJ on: August 12, 2017, 03:44:43 pm
I can't FF anyone who doesn't think my 5 year marriage and my relationship is valid. I'm consistent in that, despite how measured a poster is.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Torch-bearing white nationalists march ahead of alt-right rally on: August 12, 2017, 03:09:53 pm
Yeah, today was the ultimate low point in Donald Trump's presidency.

It's a low point in US history to be honest.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Torch-bearing white nationalists march ahead of alt-right rally on: August 12, 2017, 02:32:12 pm
Nice reporting my post Sprouts. Twice.

What have you got against my grandfather shooting fascists?

I reported it once. And the fact that saying violence is good is disgusting? Pretty obvious to me.

I'd love for all who gathered at the original rally to be locked up, but I'm not calling for a battlefield against our own people

I have no idea what you're talking about. What have you got against my grandfather shooting fascists? He tried to get to Spain to shoot them before it was cool. His nephew sabotaged Rolls Royce engines he helped build because fascist Pinochet was using them in bombers. Some of them blew up. He got a medal from the democratic Chilean government for it. My family have a proud history of killing fascists Cheesy

Your family sounds awesome. We need more folks like your grandfather today.

Sprouts reported this too. Apparently for encouraging insurrection.

Yes, I did! Wasn't Kalwejt forced to take a timeout for doing this to averroes Smiley I'll play "victim" if it means taking out the worst one on the moderation staff!

My head will be held high if I do. Trust me Smiley

No Pasaran!
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Torch-bearing white nationalists march ahead of alt-right rally on: August 12, 2017, 02:25:16 pm
Nice reporting my post Sprouts. Twice.

What have you got against my grandfather shooting fascists?

I reported it once. And the fact that saying violence is good is disgusting? Pretty obvious to me.

I'd love for all who gathered at the original rally to be locked up, but I'm not calling for a battlefield against our own people

I have no idea what you're talking about. What have you got against my grandfather shooting fascists? He tried to get to Spain to shoot them before it was cool. His nephew sabotaged Rolls Royce engines he helped build because fascist Pinochet was using them in bombers. Some of them blew up. He got a medal from the democratic Chilean government for it. My family have a proud history of killing fascists Cheesy

Your family sounds awesome. We need more folks like your grandfather today.

Sprouts reported this too. Apparently for encouraging insurrection.
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