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1  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Listing Trump’s sexual assault victims on: October 15, 2017, 11:20:10 pm
Such a silly thread.

Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Their attacker publicly confessed.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Hillary warns UK not to deal with Trump on trade deal on: October 15, 2017, 11:17:44 pm
She was asked a question and answered it.

And provided the same, correct, answer that many other private citizens and retired public servants would:  Trump is a lying, incompetent scumbag and no one should willingly deal with him.
3  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Whataburger Employee fired for refusing to serve police officers on: October 15, 2017, 07:31:18 am
Would the Republicans have been okay with this if the officers were gay Muslims?
4  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: NBC News: Manafort Had $60m Relationship to Russian Oligarch on: October 13, 2017, 09:39:53 pm
5  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: North Korea Mega Thread on: October 13, 2017, 05:59:48 pm
Trump should consult with the President of Guam immediately.
6  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: South Dakota High School cancels homecoming after racist stunt on: October 13, 2017, 05:15:35 pm
Apparently one incident means we have to cancel everything now.

It's almost like they're teaching the kids that actions have consequences, and that they can end up paying the price for the actions of their peers.
Why do the 99.99% of kids who didn't partake in this have to suffer the consequences?

Not very good at math are you?
Can you come up with an exact percentage?
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Wilson said there was an assembly Thursday morning at the school, which state fall 2016 enrollment numbers say had about 685 students. Wilson said officials are planning cultural awareness assemblies throughout the entire district.

Please return to your bridge.
Alright, I did the math. If one student was responsible for the vandalism then 99.85401459854015% of students would be innocent. My estimate was pretty close.

Not only are you so bad at math that you think being wrong by a factor of ten is close, your reading comprehension is terrible too.


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Sturgis Brown High School is investigating after photos posted on social media showed students destroying the car. Sturgis Brown was scheduled to play Pine Ridge High School, from the nearby Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, Friday night.


Meade School District Superintendent Don Kirkegaard said the students who painted the car also painted the school and community as racist.

A photo shows people hitting a car with sledgehammers. The ritual used to be a homecoming tradition but is no longer sponsored by the school, according to the Rapid City Journal.
Even if it was 10 students, 99.85% of students would still be innocent. That still doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of students weren't involved.

https://www.khanacademy.org/math/pre-algebra/pre-algebra-ratios-rates/pre-algebra-percent-decimal-conversions/v/converting-decimals-to-percents-ex-2
7  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: South Dakota High School cancels homecoming after racist stunt on: October 13, 2017, 04:39:52 pm
Apparently one incident means we have to cancel everything now.

It's almost like they're teaching the kids that actions have consequences, and that they can end up paying the price for the actions of their peers.
Why do the 99.99% of kids who didn't partake in this have to suffer the consequences?

Not very good at math are you?
Can you come up with an exact percentage?
Quote
Wilson said there was an assembly Thursday morning at the school, which state fall 2016 enrollment numbers say had about 685 students. Wilson said officials are planning cultural awareness assemblies throughout the entire district.

Please return to your bridge.
Alright, I did the math. If one student was responsible for the vandalism then 99.85401459854015% of students would be innocent. My estimate was pretty close.

Not only are you so bad at math that you think being wrong by a factor of ten is close, your reading comprehension is terrible too.


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Sturgis Brown High School is investigating after photos posted on social media showed students destroying the car. Sturgis Brown was scheduled to play Pine Ridge High School, from the nearby Pine Ridge Indian Reservation, Friday night.


Meade School District Superintendent Don Kirkegaard said the students who painted the car also painted the school and community as racist.

A photo shows people hitting a car with sledgehammers. The ritual used to be a homecoming tradition but is no longer sponsored by the school, according to the Rapid City Journal.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: South Dakota High School cancels homecoming after racist stunt on: October 13, 2017, 04:24:42 pm
Apparently one incident means we have to cancel everything now.

It's almost like they're teaching the kids that actions have consequences, and that they can end up paying the price for the actions of their peers.
Why do the 99.99% of kids who didn't partake in this have to suffer the consequences?

Not very good at math are you?
Can you come up with an exact percentage?
Quote
Wilson said there was an assembly Thursday morning at the school, which state fall 2016 enrollment numbers say had about 685 students. Wilson said officials are planning cultural awareness assemblies throughout the entire district.

Please return to your bridge.
9  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: South Dakota High School cancels homecoming after racist stunt on: October 13, 2017, 04:10:25 pm
Apparently one incident means we have to cancel everything now.

Horrible horrible act and the one(s) who did it need punished, but that's the way it is today.....everyone pays.

Everyone has always paid.

Families in Puerto Rico are paying because people voted for Trump. Children dying to bombs and disease in the Middle East pay because we didn't hold our government to higher standard. Their parents are getting their heads chopped off by religious fanatics because far too many people were willing to give extremist beliefs a pass, or even encourage them.

Pretending that hatred is consequence-free, that what your neighbors, classmates, and fellow voters do doesn't affect you is a deceptive and dangerous luxury no society should ever encourage. But especially now America needs to teach our youth that allowing hate, racism and intolerance to flourish will result in grave consequences or us all in the future.


10  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Grade the Trump Presidency (October 2017) on: October 13, 2017, 02:41:09 pm
It's all about politics, guys. That's all.

If you're a conservative, you love his executive orders, you love his court appointments, you love how he's taking many Obama regulations and rightfully ripping them apart, you love how he says what everyone else thinks but that you're not "supposed" to say. The lack of political correctness is amazingly refreshing after eight years of a guy who wouldn't flat out say he loved America without adding a "but". His cry against globalism and doing all he can to tear up any globalist agenda is also fantastic.

But if you're a liberal living in Manhattan with a gay husband who believes that recycling will save a polar bear and that we should all take sabbaticals to Tibet, yeah, you're probably pissed.

Your standards are laughably low. Obama was a much more collected individual and appointed some liberal judges appointments etc that I liked and I didn't treat him nearly as well as you are treating an unstable president that can't actually get legislative sh**t done.

I almost feel bad criticizing Obama as much as I did from 2008-2015 seeing how these Trump supporters blindly support Trump. Every flaw that Obama had, Trump has it worse and 10x more problems.

By the way I live in rural Georgia and used to be an independent (but still dem leaning) -- Trump, Cruz, and the tea baggers show that the GOP is pretty worthless right now.

That's fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. I think the biggest problem with the Democratic Party right now is their vault to the left. To many, including me, it makes Trump's tweets look mature compared to liberal's obsession with small and inconsequential groups.

The SJW left may be annoying, but that's mostly relegated to tumblr/twitter, and not in the actual politicians. Do you really think they are nearly as big of a concern to the world than Trump's instability and impulsive behavior? Do you really think they are as big of a concern as the GOP trying to push a garbage health care and tax cut bill that are unpopular? Like how do you even make a tax cut bill that is unpopular -- everyone loves tax cuts lol. Are you really fine with some of Trump's open appeals to racism? Are you fine with Trump saying stupid garbage on the daily?

I'm just really disappointed in where the GOP is headed. I used to think the dem party was the "virtue signaling, utopian party" and that the gop party tended to be more reasonable. But the last few years have shown that the dem party is somehow more reasonable than the gop lol.

See this is where I will politely disagree with you.

Think about 2012. Obama wins the election. As a Republican, it sucked. It sucked for Republicans in Congress, too. But then Trump wins and you have this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlMWgQU3HME

How can I ever, EVER, vote for Democrats after that? When they break windows in D.C. during the inauguration. Republicans don't do that crap. They go to Waffle House and sip coffee whining about Obama but they aren't going to "head for the streets".

The immaturity of the left is so beyond the immaturity of the right. Trump looks like a grown up, these people look nuts.

California wants to make it against the law to refer to a man as a man. When you are dealing with people like that, who just 20 or 30 years ago would have been institutionalized and are now trying to say their view is correct, that borders on dangerous. Thus, Trump appears normal.

You think Republicans would have been better behaved if Hillary won?

Compared to the left? Absolutely, unequivocally. White Americans don't riot in public. We riot in the voting booth.

If only those darn colored folk would sit down and behave!

Who said it had anything to do with African Americans? I said white people riot in the voting booth. Doesn't have to be about racial issues.

Reaganfan: *makes it racial*
Reaganfan: it doesn’t have to be about racial issues

If White people don’t riot in public, but only in the voting booth, yet your problem with Democrats is in part that they rooted in reaction to Trump’s election, then obviously you’re saying it wasn’t White people rioting, it was those damn colored folks. Yknow, the ones who just can’t seem to learn their place.

I posted a video of white protesters! Grumps posted a picture of old white lady protesters!

You see, this is what you liberals do. You immediately realize you've lost the argument, so you go back to the race card.

But even that doesn't seem to be working anymore. Smiley

Actually, it seems more to me that when Republicans are brought face to face with the incompetence and evil of their party' leader they try to turn the discussion into the status of race relations in America.

This isn't just this thread, or this forum. I see it a lot from Republicans online generally, and even from the few right-leaning people I've talked politics with.

Trump makes issues of race worse. But even if he was making them better, that would be a tangent from the reality that he is the worst President in living memory, becuase he's terrible at the job.
11  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: South Dakota High School cancels homecoming after racist stunt on: October 13, 2017, 02:24:35 pm
Apparently one incident means we have to cancel everything now.

It's almost like they're teaching the kids that actions have consequences, and that they can end up paying the price for the actions of their peers.
Why do the 99.99% of kids who didn't partake in this have to suffer the consequences?

Because learning their lesson by now by getting homecoming canceled is preferable to learning it later from bombs, artillery and head-chopping religious fanatics.
12  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump Iran decision thread on: October 13, 2017, 02:19:33 pm
How is Iran "the world leader of state-sponsored terrorism"? When was the last time Iran conducted a terrorist attack on us?

Iran is the world leader in fighting ISIS. If it wasn't for them Islamic State would be ruling in Baghdad and Damascus right now.

<puts on red hat>
I'll bet you think the Russians killed more Nazis during WWII, too!
13  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: South Dakota High School cancels homecoming after racist stunt on: October 13, 2017, 02:08:49 pm
Apparently one incident means we have to cancel everything now.

It's almost like they're teaching the kids that actions have consequences, and that they can end up paying the price for the actions of their peers.
14  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump Iran decision thread on: October 13, 2017, 02:06:19 pm
Seriously, Trump needs to have the balls to admit he's marching happily into yet another war, one that would cause a refugee crisis to make the Syrian disaster look like a picnic, and would roil the world economy.

Would that be Iran or North Korea?

Hypothetical scenario: the US ends up at war with both Iran and North Korea. A month in to the second one, Russia uses a pretext to march into one or more of the Baltics. What does the US do? What could we do?
15  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Religious Right hypocrites cheer Trump at summit on: October 13, 2017, 01:24:59 pm
America's religious right vanquished any doubts about their complete and total hypocrisy today with their warm welcome for a vain noted adulterer, drug user, sexual predator who is obviously utterly ignorant of the Bible and is virtually a living counterexample to any set of Christian virtues you could name.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/355314-trump-gets-heros-welcome-at-christian-summit
16  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Pres sits, talks through lowering the flag at military base amid NFL controversy on: October 13, 2017, 01:16:33 am
It's probably his bone spurs acting up again.
17  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Vanity Fair: WH advisers say Trump is unstable and unraveling on: October 12, 2017, 09:43:10 am
Conversation between Robert Reich and a former GOP member of Congress.  I won't try to quote; the whole thing needs to be read.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/918309958411833344

So, despite literally fearing Trump’s at the point of starting nuclear war (restrained only by Tillerson), they’ll keep quiet, at least until or if the tax bill passes. Only then, when it passes or fails, would they be willing to speak out against him. He’s basically admitting the GOP are playing politics while believing a nuclear war is possible. Nice.

This is something I don't quite understand.  Why would it be harder to pass a tax package with Pence as President rather than Trump?

I can think of two reasons.

One, impeaching Trump will take a lot of time. Enough that its believable that they wouldn't have time enough to do big tax reform.

Two, some Trump loyalists in the House will doubtless be driven into madness by the removal of their cult leader. They will be become as disruptive as possible, and probably won't vote for anything by the GOP that just backstabbed their mango messiah.
18  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump has state visit to UK downgraded 'and will not be guest of the Queen' on: October 12, 2017, 09:01:00 am
Who cares? That just makes him more of an iconoclast. The Royal Family is a sham anyway, the gold plated Queen’s own grandchildren are the product of a sham marriage that only happened due to the need to sacrifice an 18 year old virgin.

The Queen is a WWII vet. Trump is a draft dodger.
19  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: The Ongoing Disaster in Puerto Rico: Under Boil Water Notice [Pics] on: October 12, 2017, 07:50:28 am
Trump: We can't keep FEMA, military in Puerto Rico forever

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/12/trump-puerto-rico-response-long-term-243705
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President Donald Trump warned Thursday that there is a limit to how much federal aid he is willing to expend on Puerto Rico and that “we cannot keep” federal response workers on the island “forever.”

"’Puerto Rico survived the Hurricanes, now a financial crisis looms largely of their own making,’ says Sharyl Attkisson. A total lack of accountability say the Governor. Electric and all infrastructure was disaster before hurricanes,” Trump wrote on Twitter Thursday morning in a series of posts. “Congress to decide how much to spend. We cannot keep FEMA, the Military & the First Responders, who have been amazing (under the most difficult circumstances) in P.R. forever!”

Attkisson hosts a weekly newsmagazine show for conservative-leaning Sinclair Broadcasting.

President Moron must need the military to go start a war with North Korea, or maybe Iran.
20  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: How likely is Nuclear War? on: October 12, 2017, 01:41:40 am
I'm not just posting, either. I am actually moving out of D.C. in part because I don't want to be here when the nuke hits.

You know, I would really expect a self-proclaimed super-genius to know that the North Koreans physically cannot hit any American city east of the Midwest. In fact, the current belief is that they'd be lucky if they could hit the West Coast.

Aren't the North Korean's supposed to have some sort of worldwide smuggling ring?
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: How likely is Nuclear War? on: October 12, 2017, 01:35:24 am
It depends on what you mean by nuclear war. And what timeframe.

If you mean at least one nuclear weapon detonated in anger within, say, the next three years and three months then I'd say higher than it's been in my lifetime. Trump, plus Kim, plus India-Pakistan tensions, general global situation and an incompetent President... fifteen percent. (Which seems really scary high!)

If you mean Global Thermonuclear War then under one percent. The only one who really might start that would be Trump. And I'm enough of an optimist to think the people around him would stop him first, one way or another.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Vanity Fair: WH advisers say Trump is unstable and unraveling on: October 12, 2017, 01:26:39 am
It's clear that he's going bonkers based on how he's lost control of himself recently.

I disagree. He has always been bonkers, and has never been in control of himself.

It's just that he was never in the public eye this much. He never had this many limits on his ability to lash out, never had so much fact-checking of his endless lies. All that's happening is his personal delusion, where he's the smartest, handsomest, fittest, most capable man on the planet is cracking.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: When will the next Trump-Russia bombshell leak? on: October 12, 2017, 12:29:35 am
Bump.

The suspense is killing me!
Any updates?

Within the last 48 hours:

Carter Page pleads the 5th

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/10/politics/carter-page-pleads-fifth-senate-intelligence/index.html

Justice Dept refuses to say if Trump personally under investigation

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2017/10/11/doj-response-trump-russia-investigation-243671

Trump administration accused of dragging its feet on new Russia sanctions

http://abcnews.go.com/International/trump-administration-accused-dragging-feet-russia-sanctions/story?id=50425951

It's becoming old new at this point. Like SpaceX's rocket landings.

And, until and unless we get a red-hot smoking gun or Mueller starts perp walking people, the Trump-Russia story is going to stay where it is, which is pretty clear.

Russia wanted Trump elected.
Trump wanted Russia's help to get elected.
Trump got Russian help to get elected.
Trump has shadowy ties to Russia.
Trump, as President, is working in ways that hurt the US and benefit Russia and other opponents of the US.

I don't think the exact degree of cooperation, or whether Trump is actively working against our interests because he's influenced by the Russians or because he's stupid really matters much except when it comes to charges and trial.





24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Trump just threatened to strip NBC of its broadcast license on: October 12, 2017, 12:19:57 am
This is just pure authoritarian bulls**t from our Free Press-Hater-in-Chief.

To be fair, he's a little right. Seeing him on TV is disgusting.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Why haven't liberals rushed to Weinstein's defense like cons w/Trump? on: October 11, 2017, 06:45:41 pm
Why do conservatives believe this bizarre meme that Hollywood is a branch of the Democratic party?

Becaus it doesn't agree with them 100% of the time.
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