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1  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Five favorite countries other than your own on: July 21, 2013, 07:10:36 pm
Top five

UK (excluded the channel islands)

Botom five

Cayman Islands
Saudi Arabia
The Channel Islands
2  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: Barbecue sauce type of choice on: July 21, 2013, 06:49:29 pm
Generally speaking, if I'm grilling a big chunk of meat outside, I don't use any stock barbeque sauce at all.  I use a mixture of worcestershire sauce, Pick-a-peppa sauce, Melinda's XXXXtra Reserve hot sauce, freshly cut garlic, garlic powder, and ground cayenne pepper.

Finally a non-South-American who knows how to properly consume meat.

Sometimes I use worcester sauce or some garlic based, but, generally I'd use only unrefined salt.
Also, sauces should only be used for non-prime meat cuts. Putting sauces on a top cut is equivalent to have sex with clothes with someone who has a gorgeous body. It's still good, but you're missing the whole point of the event.
3  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Hash's Dystopian/Utopian/Troll timeline, circa 2030 on: July 21, 2013, 05:18:14 pm
You're awesome, batmacumba. That Brazil story line is excellent. I might alter it a tad to have a Sino-Soviet split kind of thing going on between Brazil and the Mustafinists, caused by divergences in gymnastics dialectic Wink

Thanks a lot! Smiley

eda: to continue on the gymnastics theme, the President of Venezuela is Jessica López; Marta Pihan-Kulesza is Prime Minister of Poland and Giulia Steingruber is a leading Swiss politician.

You're wellcomed! How could I miss the Arabian Double Front joke for all these years? It's a pity it doesn't work in Portuguese.
I'm thinking about the unified Iberian language too. It may be very funny.
4  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Hash's Dystopian/Utopian/Troll timeline, circa 2030 on: July 21, 2013, 01:33:49 pm
Nothing about president Daiane dos Santos and her chief-of-staff Daniele Hypolito?
I guess that, after Marina Silva won the 2014 election, boosted by the generalized demonstrations, no one expected she would had implemented such neoliberal policies. Also, her policies towards indigenous reservations and border security allowed the complete control of them and their resources by foreign corporations. She also got very close to the Canadian government, pissing off the Itamaraty.

This led to even more demonstrations and her impeachment by the PT-PMDB-PSB controlled congress, in late 2017. Her VP, a high rank impresario, was also caught in some minor tax related scam and impeached too. The congress, then, passed legislation installing a parliamentarist government, a movement which pissed off the whole rest of the population.

After two very confuse elections, in 2018 and 2022, the congress reached surreal levels of corruption, autocratic rule and instability, with a new congress president each six months.
After 10 years of daily demonstrations, the government had already issued a bill giving revenue to the most constant demonstrators (a.k.a. Bolsa-Protesto), but this didn't stop neither was able to control the demonstrations. Amongst the confusion, rose the National Movement Arabian Double Front (Movimento Nacional Duplo Twist Carpado) NMADF/MNDTC.

Right before the 2026 election, the demonstrators managed to occupy the national congress, subsequentially demanding that every Congressperson should dance to Ary Barroso's song, Brasileirinho. Once all of them had broke their legs trying to do it, except for former footballer Romário and former Big Brother winner Jean Willys, they were substituted by the olympic gymnastics team, which started to perform routines over the congress domes.
In the end, former gymnast Daiane dos Santos performed the two skills named in her homage, the Dos Santos I and Dos Santos II, finishing it all with a new routine, in which she performed a Double Arabian in front, back, picked, laid-out and upside-down positions, a movement then on called the Dos Santos III / Brazilian Revolution - after this she was proclaimed president, with 43 years old.

The Brazilian government has very odd foreign policies, having bad relations with both Canada and Quebec, cold ones with the USA and France, and, surprisingly, despite having a black woman as president, a good relation with Rhodesia. Some commentators believe this is due a sympathetic relation between the countries' leaders, being both dwarfs.
The best relations the country has, OTOH, is surely with Russia and Italy (this last one pleases a big share of the country's Southeast population) but it seems that the relation with Greece is worse than one would expect. Some say that this is because one self styled big fan of gymnastics never paid due respect for the best gymnast of the 00's.


President: Daiane dos Santos
Chief of Staff: Daniele Hypolito
National Congress President: Romário
Deputies' Chamber president: Jean Willys
Congress' Government Leader: Diego Hypolito
NMADF's Leader: Jade Barbosa
Education Minister: Tiririca

Hope this helps. Feel free to alterate.
5  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Brazil referee beheaded and quartered by football fans after killing a player on: July 07, 2013, 12:42:54 pm
There are Brazilians who must regard them as heroes, considering how seriously they take football. I find that more disturbing than an act of insane violence. Those happen for all kinds of reasons.

There are folks with lynching mentality all over the world. But being this countryside MA, you'll hardly find any other mindset. This actually isn't even the worse cultural trait hailing from that hellhole.
6  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Snowden thread on: July 02, 2013, 05:26:24 pm
The Itamaraty confirmed Snowden's request today. According to the brief "at the moment, there's no intention of answering it".
7  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Funny thing from Brazil created in 2010. on: July 02, 2013, 01:49:02 pm

Funny things always have a wider appeal.
8  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: FIFA Confederations Cup 2013 - Official Discussion Thread on: July 02, 2013, 01:22:07 pm
I woke up in the middle of the night so many times in 2002, I can't even remember one good sleeping night, that july. Also, all those games in the middle of the afternoon, on weekdays, are pretty annoying when we have competitions in Europe.
That's the nice thing when you like a world class sport. Sure, baseball or gaelic football fans (not to mention rugby with protections) doesn't have this problem.
9  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: FIFA Confederations Cup 2013 - Official Discussion Thread on: July 01, 2013, 11:18:47 pm
Sunday games at 16:00 is the norm. I found really odd this final was scheduled to 19:00. That's unusual for weekends. At least, no game will be played at the usual 21:00 on weekdays, and only a few will be at 19:00.
Anyway, UTC -3 shouldn't be that bad for Europeans - just 1h ahead South Africa. Don't be spoiled folks!
10  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: FIFA Confederations Cup 2013 - Official Discussion Thread on: June 30, 2013, 09:10:12 pm
We'll see, we'll see.
Anyway, it was a very nice game for yellow Argentina.

Back to serious talk: the game was won when everyone gave a crap to the fvcking FIFA national anthem disfiguring and kept singing the verse 'till its end.
11  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: FIFA Confederations Cup 2013 - Official Discussion Thread on: June 30, 2013, 11:51:31 am

It`s really joyful to see a fan of the team which settled the boring way as the most efficient way complaining about the dominance of boredom...

Anyway, here are my predictions:

Italy 1 x 1 Uruguay (Italy wins on penalties)

Brazil 0 x 0 Spain (Spain wins on penalties)

Unfortunely, there isn't any Spanish style salumeria in BH, but I've bought some pata negra ham and a tempranillo. Man, I could live feeding only on this.
Hope some country develops an efficacious not-boring style before 2018.

12  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of children on: June 30, 2013, 11:26:09 am
Usually, a very good substitute for pork.
But now I've got nephews, I've found a much better use for them: to teach how to curse, break their toys and imitate Gene Simmons.
13  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Brazil Election Maps on: June 29, 2013, 11:33:54 am
It is very nice that non-Brazilians have interest on the topic.

I made a Brazilian Election Atlas inspired on Dave Leips'. Go to Google and find "Atlas das Eleições Presidenciais no Brasil" I am still not allowed to post links here.

There are the results of every popular presidential election since 1945, maps by state level since 1945, maps by micro-region level since 2002 and results by municipality since 1989. In the elections of 1945, 1950, 1955, 1960, 1994 and 1998, when there was no runoff election, I painted the maps considering only the distribution of the votes in the two most voted candidates.  In the elections of 1989, 2002, 2006 and 2010, I painted the maps by considering the results of the runoff election. However, it is possible to find also the results of the first round by state.


Cê precisa de um mínimo de 20 posts pra poder inserir links. Apareça mais.
14  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Great Brazil Topic on: June 29, 2013, 10:30:31 am
With a big delay, just to finish and retake the presidential candidates on the election thread.


The reaction on the left was more confuse. Many started saying that the demonstrations were transforming into some type of antidemocratic movement (and the general tone many of those new groups had, was very similar to fascistoid speech) and called for a boycott, with some complaining the anti-Dilma and impeachment calls were some kind of coup being staged.
Others reacted more sensibly, pondering that the unorganized left had started it all, that the platform of better healthcare and education, critics to corporatist urban manegement and struggle against the type of politics where an association of enterpreuners and politicians defines everything (not caring about the public) were all historical demands of the left, so it would be more important to keep remembering the population what it's all about.

Online, the dispute was between conservatives accusing the left of being hipocrates, considering right-wing demonstrations as tentative coup, while left-wing ones were 'the people on the streets'. Leftist answered telling that the conservatives had their right to demonstrate, but they should start their own rallys.
With the raise of anti-PT, anti-Left and anti-Dilma bunch, people started putting numbers, to counter them, showing that the petistas and other leftwing congresspeople were the only to vote on education funding, amongst other things.

Daily demonstrations kept going. The ones in Rio had clearly a more leftwing face (it was the city where evictions were more conspicuous, plus the ever anedoctally bad hospitals - once I needed some healthcare on the state, I couldn't even feel enraged; they were so void of any reliable service and so incompetent, I would just laugh if I wasn't in need of medical assistence). The ones in Brasília were more focused on the congress. The ones in São Paulo acquired a more generic anti-corruption tone, departing from its more focused beginning. In Belo Hotizonte, the tone became more anti-Cup.
The young leaders of the MPL, the movement which started the demonstrations were interviewed in a public channel (no speech about them on the private ones). They exposed their motivation, called the demonstrations not to loose their politization, in order to avoid manipulations, and stood to the questions of MSM journalists (who were, surprisingly, very fair with them).

On friday night, at 9PM, president Dilma came on national network to address the nation about the protests. She defended the right of demonstrators to be on the streets, but said that the 'vandals' wouldn't be tolerated (no word on police brutality); promised a national public transportation program and a national pact with governors and mayors on the enhancement of public services quality. Guaranteed that every public dime borrowed to build stadiums would return to the federal treasure and put forward a bill which was in the congress, allocating 100% of the funds generated by pre-salt oil drilling on education.
The speech was received with glee by petistas, with coolness by the rest of the left and with mistrust by the rest of the people, but it was efficient in avoiding a bigger unrest. The main reaction was 'Let's see'.

On Saturday, a big demonstration was already scheduled. There were more new-middle-class folks than usual. An interesting thing about them is the complete lack of any focused platform. Many political scientists noted that this is a community that lacks some kind of ideological cohesion and is thus completely unable to put forward cohese reivindications. The only way they know to show some insatisfaction is a generic patriotic speech, whitch makes them undistinguishable of the traditional Brazilian conservatives, who are still indebted with integralist speech. Nevertheless, when questioned, diferently of the conservative elite, they are very opened to leftwing proposals and don't see the state as a problem, only the system's corruption, while seeing entrepreuners as part of the problem.

Here, the demonstration was met with a harsh policial reaction; people fell from a viaduct (one of them died, this thursday) and were hit on the heads by teargas bombs. Some rascals reacted destroying a Hyundai carshop and set some public equipment on fire. Sure, media shown only these, and told the public that the police reacted to the rascals actions. This pissed of many demonstrators, but the media was all the time trying to separate 'pacific' from 'violent' demonstrators, calling for the first ones to separate themselves from the laters.
15  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Great Brazil Topic on: June 26, 2013, 08:18:20 pm
Well, I'm back from the marvellous sensation of breathing tear gas. And, this time, it seems the police was in their right.
Some updates:

Tuesday/thursday period summary:

Demonstrations were hold daily, usually starting in the beginning of the afternoon. The MSM kept the narrative of an anticorruption, antigovernment spirit (but contaminated with some vandals), lots of new groups adhered and things started getting even more confuse.

The dispute over the demonstrations' general face was maintained, with some rightwingers showing themselves, and this led to awful aggressions of those new groups against people from leftist groups. Believing the media narrative that the demonstrations were simply against the federal government, lots of elite children, right out of their gyms and shopping malls,  got out to the streets and, once they found 'invaders' (those awful leftists Veja told them to hate) they started beating lone leftists, on thursday, tearing their flags and breaking the masts. Sure, they didn't confront those who were organized in groups.

Also, real rascals started showing and vandalize anything they could. An imbecil attacked São Paulo's mayoralty building, on wednesday. It was shown, after, that his family had links on the transports business community, which led some to avent the possibily of an operation black flag. But it was just an imbecil.
16  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Great Brazil Topic on: June 26, 2013, 11:10:54 am
The Brazilian middle class is very different from the Turkish middle class. In fact they're almost exactly the opposite politically.

In Turkey, they're left-wing, in Brazil they're right wing.

Although the people protesting in Brazil may actually be the children of the middle class who are themselves poorer and more leftist.

That is actually deadly wrong. The middle class of Brazil is fairly balanced, we have many people that become rich, neaveau riche, that do have a conservative background and stuff, we have some intelectual middle class that is pretty leftist, and we have our elite that is is highly conservative.

Many guys on the prostests on the streets are children from the conservative elite or from the neaveau riche elite, but they are not Conservative! Matter of fact, many of them, specially on Rio are moved by strong leftist ideas and many of them have supported Marcelo Freixo on Rio's Mayorial Election.

That is all.

Also, these conservatives adhered only after they started watching the big media's fiction. There is a new-middle-class youth, too; they started appearing at the same time the conservatives did, and with a similar speech, but there are some interesting differences, I'll try to develop this later. Now It's time to go to the street.
17  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Great Brazil Topic on: June 25, 2013, 09:07:18 pm
In other news, the mayor and the governor decreed tomorrow will not be a working day.

I`m trying to write about last week (here were probably the most problematic place, and some things are definily scary), but I`m having some time only now. I`ll try to post it still today, cause tomorrow will surely be a watershed day in all those things, for worse or for better.
18  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Great Brazil Topic on: June 25, 2013, 08:55:29 pm
In related news, can Marco Feliciano be shot from a cannon into the sun?

Even my mass attending, pious catholic friends are wishing this, these days. Now that people`s choices may be medically treated, some people are pushing for religion to be included.
I think is fair.
19  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: FIFA Confederations Cup 2013 - Official Discussion Thread on: June 22, 2013, 06:15:02 pm
The chance the demonstrations have of sending the cup away from Brazil is zero. Any such discussions should have been made four years ago. The investments were already done, now we've got to work hard to make them pay back. If the tournament is taken to another country, it will be disrespectful to the Brazilian taxpayer.
The strategy to menace it, relating the spending with the ones needed in healthcare and education, was very powerful and efficacious, OTOH, so, expect the demonstrators rallying on every stadium's neighbourhood.

Next game is here, we'll see what happens.

On another note...
What do you folks suggest for dinner, Capeletti or Lasagna? (Pizza can't be voted, once it is a known Brazilian typical food, as Macaroni also is  Grin )

20  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Voting Booth / Re: June 2013 Federal Election - President, VP and Regional Senators on: June 22, 2013, 05:20:34 pm

[1] Averroës Nix of New York and DemPGH of Pennsylvania
Labor Party - Liberal Party

[4] Matt from VT of New York and Maxwell of Kansas
Federalist Party

[2] Xahar of California and Hashemite of Florida
National Movement "Aliya Mustafina"

[3] Write-in:oakvale/Bacon King

[  ] None of the above


[4] JohanusCalvinusLibertas of Indiana

[2] Siren of Virginia
Light Party

[1] Talleyrand of Missouri
Labor Party

[3] TJ in Cleve of Ohio
Federalist Party

[  ] Write-in:______________________________

[  ] None of the above
21  Atlas Fantasy Elections / Atlas Fantasy Elections / Re: The People's Front of the unorganized territories on: June 20, 2013, 09:47:16 pm
I voluntarily contribute with an apple and a banana.
If sometime you give up defending yours, I'd accept a watermelon, thank you.
22  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Great Brazil Topic on: June 20, 2013, 12:52:36 am
A glimpse on Monday's march, before the police attacked.

23  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Great Brazil Topic on: June 20, 2013, 12:24:54 am
Dilma pretends to sympathize with the protesters.  And so it goes.  Lol

I don't doubt she sympathize, deep in the most unreachable part of her soul. But she compromised too much with too much crooks to do anything. The only thing the PT wants, is to preserve their social programs and neokeynesian model, at any cost.
24  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Great Brazil Topic on: June 20, 2013, 12:09:38 am
Well, let me put it this way:

everyone is projecting themselves on their analysis. The facts are:

- a traditional popular movement was putting their demands (the MPL - Movimento Passe Livre / Free [bus] Pass Movement, basically a movement led by students) - every year they do protests; while inflation was around 370% between 94-13, the bus tariffs raised 700% (in Belo Horizonte, can't tell about São Paulo) and a ever growing group defends that abolishing tariffs will, in the end, be more economic to the government;
- the traditional media systematically called them vandals (vândalos) and rascals (baderneiros), because, as traditional as the protests, were their conflicts with the police (a couple of years ago it was made obvious that the protesters were less to blame than the police force);
- this year, there were some precedents that were making many groups pissed off, and there is a spread perception that politics obey only rich pressure groups, with every sphere of government controlled by corporations, evangelicals and machine controllers, independently of party lines, usually in siamese twinning;
- also, this year, the police brutality went out of control; it was so grotesque that it made lots of people act in the way they could: sharing on social media;
- this made the traditional media look bad, but they, initially, didn't care; only after journalists got hurt by the police's coward actions, the fingerpointing to the 'rascals' stopped;
- once indignation was spread and people started getting out to the streets, to support the original protesters, a lot of narratives started:
    1 - finally 'the people' was showing the "spread dissatisfaction with 'the government'", that MSM always talked about, but had never put more than a dozen rich brats in the street;
    2 - it was against corruption;
    3 - it was the middle class demanding better services;
- a couple of demonstration days after, some of these groups really started showing themselves at the rallies, among other groups; neither of them is the 'new middle class'; anyone who repeat this narrative is ill-intentioned and had not even got to any of the demonstrations;
- basically, the groups that are showing there are:
    1 - the radical left;
    2 - groups advocating non-corporatist urban solutions, sustainable and focused on the citizen, not on constructors profits (these groups are, generally, twinned with those on item 1, or with the PT);
    3 - people showing unfocused indignation with police brutality, corporatist government control, authoritarian state government actions and an absolute lack of accountability by politicians of all parties;
    4 - elite kids, who adhered to the protests following the MSM narrative (they're each day more conspicuous, but far from majority, yet), complaining about anything the federal government does, including the programs for the poor; this ones tried to beggin anti-Lula or anti-Dilma demonstrations before, but were ridiculously unsuccessful;
    5 - people complaining that the spending with the World Cup is misdirected and should be going to healthcare and education (these are a mix of number 1 and 4, but - its my evaluation, sure - these last ones are doing it in a opportunistic way, once they were for welfare privatization, before);
- it's a very diverse group with very diverse demands, started by indignation and fulled by so many different (and sometimes opposite) dissatisfactions.

Anything else is a projection of the analyst.

So, let me project my analysis and concerns.

- Poor people are watching it with some amusement.
- The 'new middle class' only exists because this government's programs. They may share, now, some concerns with the old one, but they're still grateful enough to Lula and still see the PSDB as the guys who didn't want the kind of economy structure that put them forward.
- The intellectual part of the 'old middle class' is kinda confused, and could support the PT, the left opposition or someone who could convince them that the corporatist status can be broken.
- The traditionalist part of the 'old middle class' hates the PT government, once they've been told how bad it is for the last 11 years and they believe that the whole movement is what they were expecting from 'the people'.
- The actual elite is playing puppets and waiting to see what happens.
- Anything can happen with the protests.

- I remember very well FHC's government: nothing to do, nothing to work on, bare stagflation, a privatization program which put everything in the hands of PSDB's financial supporters, making awful deals for the State (many of them made the State pay to PSDB's guys get the companies); a general prosecutor who stopped any investigation against government staff; a quite decadence from Itamar Franco's and Ciro Gomes' Plano Real; so: no, thanks; anything that resemble it (a.k.a. neoliberalism or any name you give it) will gain my combat;
- the great problem the country is facing is the preponderance of business interests over public ones; and a myopic approach on infrastructure, following constructor's orientation, not planners;
- Cities are being utterly destroyed by over-construction, infrastructural works aimed at expanding car use, destruction of built cultural heritage to build skyscrapers where the extant infrastructure is unable to bear, brutal eviction of poor...

These two last concerns are (clearly for me) behind the diffuse dissatisfaction of one part of the original protests, the other part is more tricky, but I'll try to make a call.

The raise on living standards for the poor impacted greatly the middle class. Many of my somewhat conservative friends are complaining they aren't able to pay for the house servants anymore.
Yeah, that's what you've read. Housemaids, gardeners, handymen to change your lights. That's what the Brazilian middle-class was used. Working hands were so cheap, you lived like a rich. And then, one day, you can't pay them that crap you used to pay, anymore. They have options. But the problem is that you pay a somewhat expensive school for your children, a somewhat expensive healthcare plan, and the free, public option is crap.
So, first, you stop being a slot and start doing some home improvement yourself. But you work 44 hours a week, your wife too and your culture (and climate, and dust everywhere) asks for your house to be cleaned everyday; someone have to watch the children after school; poor are getting life-standard improvement, rich are getting richer, you have neither; you see a lot of things going in a wrong direction, you are a well informed person, but the political class seemed to have married entrepreneurs and forget about you. You pay the taxes for it all.
So, lots of my middle class friends started summing 2+2. And I was surprised, last weekend, to hear a bunch of people who had ever voted for the right saying: "our parents had free, good quality education and health care, affordable housing; they were convinced to change it, got what they were promised, but now our children will have neither".

Well, maybe this can be a too little and biased microcosmos, a bunch of thirty-many and forty-something years old professionals who were well educated in top-ranking universities, in a city where local politics were always dominated by left-social-christian politicians. But it is pretty telly for me.

25  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: The Great Brazil Topic on: June 18, 2013, 03:56:09 pm
And then there's my family saying this is all happening because people are tired of PT. There are many ways of distorting things, unfortunately... And many people believe what newspapers say...

Not to mention the manipulative analysis on El País. That guy is a PSDB hack, I didn't see one 'new middle-class' youngster who wasn't a leftist militant. The unorganized youth was a thousand percent from the 'old one', which is, in practice, part of the white elite.

According to a friend in Salvador, the movement for public transportation reform was conspicuous there, and responsible for the great majority of the protest.
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