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1  General Politics / Individual Politics / Do you find it difficult to label yourself politically? on: Today at 12:01:03 pm
I believe that words don't always accurately describe reality. Some things are difficult to describe and words can be ambiguous. If you think labels such as "socialist" "capitalist" "pacifist" "libertarian" "Democrat" "Republican" "progressive" "liberal" "moderate" "communist" "independent" "green" "conservative" "patriotic" "reactionary" or "populist", don't necessarily give a good understanding of what a person's true political philosophy is, or if you have trouble with putting a label on yourself, you might consider voting "yes", if you are not sure you can answer "other answer". If you think that labels do give a fairly accurate description of your own and other's beliefs, vote "no".

It is always a little problematic to sum things up in a few words, so this poll itself is far from perfect.
Nevertheless, I am curious if anyone sees this similar to the way that I do.

I, of course, am voting "yes". Although I can label myself, it isn't all that easy because I think that people have screwed up this world so badly, that a simple solution is not going to easy. I do, however, find the support for the military and military spending without more attention paid to other solutions to be appalling. So you can call me a strict "pacifist" if you want, but it is more complicated than that.
2  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Peace and "religion". (see op) on: November 19, 2017, 10:52:51 am
Peace is certainly critical to Anabaptists (for example Unitarians, Quakers, Mennonites (which include the Amish)) and Buddhism as well as Jains, and others, and should be a part of any religion or path.
3  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Peace and "religion". (see op) on: November 19, 2017, 10:49:45 am
The question is whether inner peace or world peace can be achieved (and should be a goal, if not the goal) by whatever path you are on (if you are on a path).

I see the three fold path of the true path is to be enlightened, to refrain from evil, and to do good.

Refraining from evil, for many of us, and I haven't always done that, may be the most difficult,
and discerning what is good from what is evil is both easy and difficult, so being perfect all the time may not be a goal that all of us do 100% of the time.

Sorry if this is confusing in anyway, this is my attempt at promoting a discussion of what religion and so called spirituality is all about. I use the term "path" because words like "religion" and "spirituality" may be problematic for some of you for whatever reason.

4  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Have you fully read a religious text? on: November 19, 2017, 10:25:35 am
Options 2 and 3
All of it once
and most of it
(edit.. yes much of scripture speaks to me)

although I have read a little of the first chapter of the Koran..
much of the Bible and much of Swedenborg
I have read a number of books by Swedenborg
I have read all of the Tao de Ching and the Dhammapada

So if there had been an other option I would have picked that. I don't know if I have ever
read any book twice but I have read many books perhaps more than anyone here, because of
my age (62 on Wednesday), although perhaps not, I think of myself as a superhero of book Geeks

I highly recommend these two sites:

https://parliamentofreligions.org/

http://www.sacred-texts.com/

..for those exploring religious pluralism
5  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Do Republicans and pedophile priests share the same vile sexual morality. on: November 18, 2017, 12:22:22 pm
One problem that I have with religion is that parents have an influence on what their young children believe. This is not a problem if the child were taught to explore contrary ideas and to think for oneself, but historically anyway, children as often as not chose the religion of their parents, because it hasn't occurred to them that their parents might be wrong. Often this happens in politics as well.
It is hard to convince someone that their thinking might be wrong, because of "confirmation bias".
It is even harder if they have been brought up to think a certain way.

How many people believe "my religion is the correct one and therefore yours must be wrong"?
6  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Do Republicans and pedophile priests share the same vile sexual morality. on: November 18, 2017, 12:04:26 pm
Many people have left Christianity for the reasons stated in this thread. In many parts of the US and Europe people have become increasingly secular. Many have given up on "god".

Does it surprise anyone that there are more and more "atheists", "agnostics" etc and many describe themselves as "spiritual but not religious".
7  Forum Community / Off-topic Board / Re: Opinion of Kevin Spacey on: November 16, 2017, 08:39:05 am
Good actor, but that doesn't excuse him. Major HP.

I have found this all quite disturbing, because K-PAX is one of the best movies ever,
but I can't disagree that sexual harrasment can never be excused regardless of whether
someone is a Democrat, Republican etc.
8  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Are Alabama voters sick? on: November 16, 2017, 08:33:39 am
Let's not forget "family values", a big mantra of the GOP.
9  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Trump/Pence vs. Biden/Kasich on: November 14, 2017, 06:09:41 pm
Kasich is very conservative and this would cause a lot of people to go third party.

It's a moot question, of course, because it is more likely that pigs will start to fly.
10  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: If it came down to Biden vs Sanders on: November 14, 2017, 06:04:07 pm
I think both of them are vastly overrated in terms of electability (not to say they both couldn't win, but I doubt it would be a landslide like current polls show), and neither one of them offer a platform or strategy I'm particularly keen on. They're both also too old. I'd need to watch the debates and campaigns before deciding.
I would predict a close election (assuming Trump is the GOP nominee which I think is the most likely scenario at this point), regardless of who the Democratic candidate is. I don't see any perfect candidate thus far, nor any Democrat who could win in a landslide. Trump is certainly unpopular now, but he didn't have good approval ratings before he was elected. As unhappy as most people are with Trump, defeating him depends on picking a good candidate, and while it is true polls show Sanders and Biden beating him, certainly it is too soon to predict Trump's loss, even though there seem to be those who think he will lose.
11  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / If it came down to Biden vs Sanders on: November 14, 2017, 05:52:46 pm
Easy for me: Bernie Sanders
12  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2020 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Will Dems win Johnson County, KS in 2020? on: November 14, 2017, 01:57:41 pm
My guess would be that it is (obviously) more like to go for the Democrat than the state is,
but that "no" it will not, but it is not easy to predict for the obvious reason that we have
no idea how the race will go this early. Since Kansas is not a swing state, many voters
in Johson County and Kansas vote third party, so that's another factor as well.
13  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Unitarian Universalism on: November 14, 2017, 12:05:03 pm
You are right that sometimes it seems impossible (and maybe is impossible) to refrain from doing evil.

I am sure that it is a well known truth that people do evil and believe false ideas due to the tyranny of the majority. How many people want to stand alone against a tidal wave of evil?
As children it is easy for us to capitulate to peer pressure, but as adults we may also find it
hard not to capitulate to evil because we don't want to be alone or have a bad reputation.

The call to patriotism, supporting the US as the greatest nation in the world, and most of all the call to war are things many are so support so readily because that is what the majority want. "America love it or leave it", or "You liberals always blame America first".
are the cry of the conservative majority.
14  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: How and why can people ignore their Godís immoral ways? on: November 14, 2017, 11:48:14 am
Have you ever heard of George Bernard Shaw's "The adventures of the black girl in her search for God." I'm not sure, but it might be useful. If you haven't heard of it, it was written in 1932.

It was a strong condemnation of the many views of God not only in the Bible, but other views as well. It's been a while since I read it, but it does point out some flaws of modern religion.

At the time it wasn't well received, and I am sure that there are many today who would find it offensive, unfortunately. I don't know what Shaw's religion was, but the point is that he was attacking the orthodoxy of his time, and still many hold to orthodox views, today, which is tragic, of course.
15  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Unitarian Universalism on: November 14, 2017, 11:16:02 am
People do evil out of ignorance. Sin is different, that's doing evil when you know better.

We're all ignorant, but the wise seek wisdom. One way to seek wisdom is through knowledge.
That is the first step, to learn, but that knowledge is useless if you don't do according to
what you have learned, to apply that knowledge, which is, of course much harder, but it can be
done with baby steps.

A good example is speech. Sometimes I say things the wrong way, even if I have a good intention. It isn't easy to speak the truth diplomatically and is something we all need to practice.
However, speaking the truth no matter how gentle you are with it can cause another to be upset, because hearing the truth is also not an easy thing, if one doesn't want to hear it.
16  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Jesus = good. Yahweh/Allah = evil. Trinity = evil? on: November 14, 2017, 11:05:55 am
By the way, my understanding is that it is not possible to delete one's account.
17  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Jesus = good. Yahweh/Allah = evil. Trinity = evil? on: November 14, 2017, 11:04:42 am
Delete your account

"If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away."
18  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Jesus = good. Yahweh/Allah = evil. Trinity = evil? on: November 14, 2017, 11:02:05 am
Islam has no original sin, God forgives Adam and Eve

Jews do not have an Original Sin concept either.

They saw Eden as where man was elevated. To them, Eden is a coming of age yarn.

No one seems to wonder why A & E, if forgiven or elevated, did not eat of the tree of life.

Can you link to the appropriate Qur'anic text for your statement and perhaps any text that might answer that question?

Regards
DL
Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that Adam was put into a deep sleep and
nowhere in the Bible does it say that he woke up. Could that be why A&E did
not eat of the tree of life? That they needed an awakening?
19  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: How and why can people ignore their Godís immoral ways? on: November 14, 2017, 10:34:38 am
What is your opinion of meditation?
20  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: Unitarian Universalism on: November 14, 2017, 10:29:46 am
The essence of true spirituality is to seek truth, avoid evil and after doing those two things,
doing genuine good. Of course shunning evil and seeking truth is a good in itself.
Mindfulness is the path. Don't all true religions and spiritual paths teach this?
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Roy Moore accused of sexual abuse on: November 09, 2017, 01:49:12 pm
As terrible as it sounds maybe it's time for Alabama to secede from the USA.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: "Peace through strength".. on: November 09, 2017, 01:40:01 pm
Terrible, strength through peace is much better.


If only it were realistic.
Is the World a dangerous place?  I suppose the answer to that dictates your answer to the poll here.
Realistically, although I am a pacifist,
it is moot, because I am very
pessimistic about the idea.
23  Forum Community / Forum Community / Re: How would Bernie react if he found out about the "My King is alive" meme? on: November 09, 2017, 11:56:54 am
one person constantly banging on about something doesn't make it a meme
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: "Peace through strength".. on: November 09, 2017, 10:23:13 am
If one meditates on the dharma wheel one can find the peace sign within.
25  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: "Peace through strength".. on: November 09, 2017, 10:22:29 am
There's peace through strength, and then there's waste, fraud, and abuse.
I agree about waste, fraud and abuse.
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