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1  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which county would you rather live in? on: January 13, 2005, 09:49:27 pm
All sound like very bad places to live.  Lake sounds least bad, if you could live in the rich areas.  Also I'll wager it has the fewest social conservatives.

Only on the lakefront (Zion, Waukegan, North Chicago, Lake Forest, Highland Park, Deerfield), does it have few social conservatives.  The rest of the county is about as conservative, exurban, religious, GOP and family friendly as McHenry.  The poor live in Zion, Waukegan and North Chicago.  And the rich CEOs of the area and such live in Lake Forest, Highland Park, and Deerfield.  The regular middle class people live in the rest of the county.
2  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Kid Rock To Play The Inauguration on: January 13, 2005, 12:24:53 am
Kid Rock is cool.  And Ted Nugent is by far one of the greatest...I wish he was going to perform there.  I think Sammy Hagar might be Republican too, and he is a far better singer and performer than David Lee Roth.
3  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who's the most right-wing poster on this message board? on: January 13, 2005, 12:12:20 am
I am definitely far right wing on social issues.  And pretty comfortably right wing on enconomical issues.
4  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which Supreme Court Justice do you agree with the most? on: January 13, 2005, 12:01:49 am
1. Anthony Kennedy (I don't get that one)
2. Antonin Scalia
3. Sandra Day O'Connor
4. William Rhenquist
5. Clarence Thomas
6. Stephen Breyer
7. David Souter
8. John Paul Stevens
9. Ruth Bader Ginsburg

With the exception of Kennedy at the top, the list is pretty accurate for my beliefs and personal likenesses.  Scalia has always been one of my favorites.
5  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which county would you rather live in? on: January 11, 2005, 10:01:04 pm
McHenry County has about 300,000 people.  It is also located along the Fox River and has the prairie side of the bike trail located in Kane County.  It is very open here, and primarily rural on the western half of the county.  Marengo and Harvard are two cities located in the west and are primarily farm towns, with some industry.  Woodstock is the county seat and was the film location for the movie Groundhog Day.  It has the Dick Tracy Museum, the historic courthouse, and the historic Opera House all on "the square", as well as chic, little shops.  The Fairgrounds and state-of-the-art county government center are here as well.  Moraine Hills State Park on the Fox River is one of the best in the state.  McHenry, Cary, and Fox River Grove are towns along the river and are havens for fishing, boating, and such.  Crystal Lake is the city's commercial and industrial center but is also named "A Good Place to Live".  Algonquin, Lake in the Hills, and Huntley are rapidly growing suburbs but have the character of riverside communties on the east and the spirit of country on the western edge.  This area is rapidly becoming a hub for retail and job activity though, as it is close to the rapidly-developing I-90 corridor, convenient to Rockford, Chicago, DeKalb, and Wisconsin alike.  In Union, you can find an Old West town, the Illinois Railway Museum, and the McHenry County Historical Museum.
6  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which county would you rather live in? on: January 11, 2005, 09:50:49 pm
Kane County is located along the Fox River.  It has about 450,000 people.  It contains the old industrial cities of Carpentersville, Elgin, and Aurora.  These cities have since expanded and have taken advantage of the post-war, 1970s, 1990s, and current suburban housing booms.  More commercial activity has taken place along Randall Road on the cities western fringes and along I-90 and I-88.  There are charming suburban downtowns and some pretty nice houses in St. Charles, Geneva, Batavia, North Aurora, and Dundee.  Elgin and Aurora have really cleaned up nice though and there downtowns are cutting edge, almost mini Chicagos.  There are homes on big lots in unincorporated areas in the county's center.  The Fox River Bike Path is probably one of the best in the nation and you experience everything from woods, to fields, to industrial towns, to charming downtowns.  The Fox River Trolley Museum is located here as well.  The Kane County Fairgrounds have one of the largest flea markets in the Midwest.  Elfstrom Stadium hosts minor league baseball team The Kane County Cougars.  And for gamblers, there are riverboats in Elgin and Aurora.  The western part of the county is still very rural.  Easy access to DeKalb and Rockford from here as well as Chicago.
7  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which county would you rather live in? on: January 11, 2005, 09:41:37 pm
Will County has about 600,000 people.  Once a county of farmland surrounding an industrial city, it has significantly matured over the past decade.  Lockport and Joliet are two main cities along the historic Illinois & Michgan Canal.  Joliet has a large industrial base and pockets of black and hispanics.  Joliet has grown by leaps and bounds in the past few years though.  The infamous Stateville Penitentary is located just north of Joliet but I think it is either closed or significantly downsized.  Bolingbrook, Romeoville, Plainfield, New Lenox, and Mokena are just a few of the suburbs blossoming in residential and commercial growth.  There are old farm towns like Beecher and Manhattan combined with old industrial towns like Channahon and Braidwood.  The Midewin National Tallgrass Prairie is here.  The South Suburban International Airport in Peotone has been proposed here for a long while.  Lewis University and the National Weather Service Chicago offices are in Romeoville.  Governors State University is located in University Park.  And for entertainment, there's Empress Casino and Chicagoland Speedway.
8  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Which county would you rather live in? on: January 11, 2005, 09:34:19 pm
Lake County has a population of about 600,000.  Close to the lake are million-dollar mansions in upscale chic areas like Highland Park, Deerfield, and Lake Forest.  To the north is also the old, rotting industrial cities of Waukegan and North Chicago, which are predominantly black.  As you go east of the Tri-State tollway, it becomes more suburban and GOP and then exurban near the Chain O' Lakes (great fishing) and Fox River.  This county is the headquarters of Walgreens, Abbott Labratories, and has a Baxter office.  It also has the Great America amusement park and great shopping at Gurnee Mills.

DuPage County is the most dense county.  900,000 people.  There are charming, historic downtowns in suburbs along passenger railroad lines like Elmhurst, Lombard, Wheaton, Naperville, and Downers Grove.  There are also new suburbs like Bartlett and Carol Stream with cookie cutter homes.  The area along I-88 in Naperville and Oak Brook is called the Illinois Research Cooridor since there are many office buildings and national labratories like Argonne and Fermi.  There are million-dollar mansions near Hinsdale and Burr Ridge closer to the city.  There are also nice homes in Naperville.  This is a prestigious area for small liberal-arts colleges like Wheaton College, Elmhurst College, and North Central College.  The College of DuPage is a gigantic community college at the county's core.
9  General Politics / Individual Politics / Which county would you rather live in? on: January 11, 2005, 09:20:28 pm
So which one??  Just curiosity.  Sorry, Cook doesn't count this time around.  I wanted to see what kind of GOP county a democrat would want to live in if they had to.  Also which kind of county a GOPer would like to live in.  I will post brief descriptions of each county below.
10  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who's the most left-wing poster on this message board? on: January 10, 2005, 10:03:00 pm
BRTD.
11  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who's the most right-wing poster on this message board? on: January 10, 2005, 10:01:23 pm
Yes, Richius would be if I could take him at face value.  Not you, Philip - you lean sort-of libertarian.  States is pretty far right, and I suppose Keystone Phil would be right up there, too.  I just because he wants to be the furthest to the right, I'll say that bushforever is at the top of the list! Wink

thank you much
12  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: The Right to Smoke on: January 10, 2005, 10:00:07 pm
I don't care.  I don't smoke.  But I go to concerts, restuarants, parties, etc.  I expect the second-hand smoke.  Sure, I may die of heart disease at age 50, but we're all going to die someday.  If you don't like second-hand smoke, don't go out to eat, or to bars, or to parties, etc.
13  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who's the most right-wing poster on this message board? on: January 10, 2005, 09:56:01 pm
myself
14  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Friendliest Poster on: January 10, 2005, 09:19:21 pm
PBrunsel
Philip
Patrick1
StatesRights
Gabu
Nym
Lewis Trond.
Alcon
Ilikeverin

...off the top of my head
15  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Do you ever want to be a politician? on: January 10, 2005, 09:11:18 pm
It depends if I like municipal planning...if I still want to do that after college.  If then, I may advance to village trustee, mayor, state senator, and then who knows what.
16  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Would you vote for a gay or atheist president? on: January 10, 2005, 01:41:02 am
Most gays generally are part of the "peace man" crowd and the San Francisco crowd, which I hate with a vengeance.

lol...I can't wait until you get out in the real world.

What?   Shall I add college campuses, and Seattle, Chicago's Lincoln Park, NYC, Boston, and the Florida Keys to the list??  And old perverts and catholic priests??  Non-closet gays are a small minority my friend.
17  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: What don't you like about your party? on: January 10, 2005, 01:36:53 am
One thing about the Dems.  The Kennedys got killed.  You guys gotta come up with a new family.  Maybe the Clinton family, but I don't know if Hillary will pull through.  And will Chelsea follow??  The Bushes are the most powerful family in America now and as of now there's no stopping them.  The only thing to stop them would be a rival family.

As far as the Republican party... I think we could pay some attention to isssues like pollution, sprawl, toxic waste, and other environmental issues.  Other than that I think we're fine.  I think Wal-Mart is utterly stupid as well but it's almost too late to stop that train wreck.
18  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Would you vote for a gay or atheist president? on: January 10, 2005, 01:22:50 am
I will probably never vote for a homosexual for president.  I guess because I am a traditionalist and would want a first lady.  And because their policies might allow gay marriage, something which goes against tradition and the laws of God.  Most gays generally are part of the "peace man" crowd and the San Francisco crowd, which I hate with a vengeance.

I guess I just know what I like in a president, and a homesexual one is something I don't think I'm ready for and I don't think the country's ready for.
19  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Political breakdown of you're state on: January 10, 2005, 01:06:11 am
ILLINOIS

Chicago: Heavily segregated by social status and ethnicity.  Heavily Democratic all neighborhoods.  About 2.7 million people.  70% Dem.

Cook County excluding Chicago is roughly 3 million people and is divided accordingly.

North Shore (between Tri State Tollway 94/294 and Lake Michigan, north of Chicago): leaning to solid Democratic.  Also includes portions of Lake County.  Includes Zion, Waukegan, Lake Forest, Highland Park, Winnetka, Deerfield, Northbrook, Glenview, Evanston, Skokie, Wilmette, Niles, Lincolnwood.  Very upscale.  Million dollar mansions closest to Lake.  Waukegan & North Chicago are  very poor, rundown, heavily black old industrial cities. 

Northwest Cook County: leaning to solid Republican.  includes Des Plaines, Mt. Prospect, Arlington Heights, Palatine, Wheeling, Buffalo Grove, Schaumburg, Hoffman Estates, Streamwood, Elk Grove Village, Rolling Meadows, Barrington.  Very middle class, working class.  Reviltalized downtowns mix with the hubub of the Woodfield Mall area and O'Hare.

Western Cook County: solid Demcratic.  Very segregated.  Some are black/hispanic, esp. Maywood, Cicero, Berwyn, Melrose Park, Bellwood, Franklin Park, Schiller Park, Norridge.  Others are more white and chic, like Oak Park, Brookfield, LaGrange, River Forest, Elmwood Park, Riverside, Westchester, Countryside. Yet there are pockets of Republicans too.  Brookfield Zoo and Frank Lloyd Wright's home are here.

Southwest Cook County: leaning to solid Democratic.  Includes Oak Lawn, Burbank, Evergreen Park, Palos Hills, Orland Park, Tinley Park, Oak Forest, Alsip, Crestwood, Hickory Hills, Bridgeview.  Generally white with a few pockets of other races.  Orland Park and Tinley Park are on the newer side.  Close to Midway Airport.

South Cook County: solid Democratic.  Calumet City, Harvey, Lansing, Dolton, Homewood, Flossmoor, Matteson, Richton Park, Park Forest, Country Club Hills, Hazel Crest, South Holland, Chicago Heights, Sauk Village.  Very segregated.  Older, poorer, more industrialized, more black communites closer to the city and in Chicago Heights.  Communities surrounding Chicago Heights are more or less toss-up and are a little bit more whiter.  Matteson was the setting for the Dateline special, Black & White: Why Can't We Live Together.

DuPage County: solid Republican.  Population 900,000.  Includes Elmhurst, Addison, Bensenville, Roselle, Carol Stream, Glendale Hts., Lombard, Wheaton, West Chicago, Hanover Park, Bartlett, Oak Brook, Naperville, Lisle, Downers Grove, Westmont, Hinsdale, Darien, Woodridge.  Heavily suburban and republican.  Old charming downtowns mix with hubub of I-88 Research corridor and Oak Brook Center mall.

Will County: 50/50.  Population 600,000.  Joliet is heavily democrat and has pockets of black and hispanic, but it's growing western fringes are republican and has pockets of white.  Old industrial towns like Wilmington, Channahon, and Braidwood are democrat.  Peotone, Beecher, Monee, and Steger are leaning democrat.  Bolingbrook, Plainfield, Romeoville, Homer Glen, New Lenox, and the southern reaches of Naperville are rapidly growing and are heavily republican.

Kendall County and Grundy County: combined population near 100,000.  Solid republican.  Oswego, Yorkville, and Plano are rapidly growing, as is Minooka.  Very GOP.  The industrial towns of Morris and Coal City are the lone Democratic holdouts and are rapidly being overpowered.

Kane County: Population 450,000.  Solid republican.  Old industrial Fox River Cities like Elgin, Aurora, Carpentersville, St. Charles, Geneva, Batavia, South Elgin, Montgomery have expanded over the years and have become more suburban and more GOP.  Ethnic pockets are found in Aurora, Elgin, Carpentersville.  Western part of county is very rural and middle is exurban.  Entire county expected to be suburbanized in near future.

McHenry County: Population 300,000.  Solid republican.  Always an exurban and rural haven.  Has become more suburbanized as of late.  Includes Algonquin, Lake in the Hills, Huntley, Crystal Lake, Cary, Fox River Grove, Crystal Lake, Woodstock, Marengo, Harvard, Johnsburg, Richmond, McHenry.  This is my county.  Western half is still generally rural and eastern half is more built up.  Small hispanic pockets are found in Woodstock, Harvard, and Marengo.

Lake County excluding North Shore: Leaning to solid Republican.  About 400,000.  Was once very rural and exurban, but has become more suburbanized over past 30 years.  Includes Mundelein, Vernon Hills, Libertyville, Gurnee, Round Lake Beach, Round Lake, Grayslake, Antioch, Lindenhurst, Lake Villa, Fox Lake, Wauconda, Lake Zurich, Deer Park, Island Lake, North Barrington.  Round Lake Beach area has pockets of poor and ethnic areas, and is the most democratic place.  The rest of the county is generally white and middle class.  Includes Six Flags, Gurnee Mills, and Hawthorn Mall.

Northern Illinois: Solid republican.  Includes much of Hastert's and Manzullo's districts.  Includes Rockford, DeKalb, Dixon, Freeport, Sycamore, Belvidere, Rochelle.  Very rural with the industrial city of Rockford which is a segregated city primarily by social status and whose county is 50/50.  DeKalb County is growing by leaps and bounds and is becoming suburbanized; it is now part of the Chicago Metro Area.  LaSalle County is becoming more GOP, in spite of old industrial cities like Ottawa and LaSalle, not suburban yet though.

Western Illinois: leaning Democrat.  The quad cities are very democratic on the Illinois side and Quincy and Galesburb lean democratic as well.  The only thing that keeps this area leaning is the vast swath of farmland, which is generally GOP.

Central Illinois: includes Peoria, Springfield, Mattoon/Charleston, Champaign/Urbana, Decatur, Danville, Bloomington/Normal.  Old industrial cities mix with college campuses, safe GOP farmland, and the occasional subdivision.  This is toss-up land.  Peoria and Champaign's counties are always close but swing Democrat by about 2,000 votes each.  Springfield and Bloomington's counties usually swing GOP by a more comfortable margin.  And Decatur is the toss-up.  Went Gore in 2000 and Bush in 2004 and I don't know why. 

Southern Illinois: solid Democratic.  Includes the East Metro suburbs. The industrial towns closest to the river like E. St. Louis, Granite City, Belleville, and Alton are heavily democratic, and have large black and union populations.  The suburbs further away like Edwardsville, Collinsville, Fairview Hts., Troy, Glen Carbon, etc. are a little bit more whtie and growing, but still have a democratic tilt.  Carbondale and its surrounding cities are primarily democratic and a lot of mining goes on around here or used to go on around here.  Heavily wooded as well.

STATE AS A WHOLE.  Solid Democrat.  Without Cook County, it would be Solid Republican.  Shows the power of the Democratic haven that is Chicago.
20  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Would you vote for a gay or atheist president? on: January 09, 2005, 11:47:07 pm
Here's news for ya.  I'm not a religious righty wacko.  To tell you the truth, I haven't gone to church regularly in probably 5 years.  However, I do have a personal relationship with God.  I know He exists.  I know he is the Creator.  I believe in Afterlife.  I pray to him.  I seek his guidance in times of trouble.  I also believe in spreading the word of God and seeking his guidance in times of trouble.

Personally, I just do not want an atheist in office, that's all.  Not to say they're bad people, but I just won't vote for an atheist.  Just like I won't vote for a democrat, unless the political spectrum singnificantly changes.  But it doesn't mean all democrats are bad people.

I really believe it is important to have someone in office who seeks the guidance of a higher authority (esp. God, or even Allah, Buddha, etc.) in making important decisions for a country and such.  Someone who I can relate to, someone I can identify with.  Someone who's well-being is stronger, because of their sense of spirituality, which in turn makes the country stronger.
21  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CNN's Crossfire to be canceled. on: January 07, 2005, 12:06:53 am
I always hated Crossfire.  Thank you Comcast for recently putting in Fox News, as I have been watching Hannity & Colmes and Bill O'Reilly the past six months instead.  No more liberal CNN shows.
Now you have Conservaitve Fox shows. Enjoy the brainwashing.

No, CNN is brainwashing, thank you.

I see zero rabid liberals with their hour-long own shows on CNN.

Wolf Blitzer, Paula Zahn, Larry King, Anderson Cooper......I do.

I have never seen those people intimidate guests, scream at people to shut up, etc.

Perhaps they are more sophisicated and stealthy in their bias.  They are latently partisan and you have to pay attention to see their bias.

At least they have even guest numbers. Hannity and Colmes will put up Ann Coulter against a Democratic State Senator or something of the sort. And have you ever watched Scarborough Country? That is not fair and balanced.

Well shouldn't someone in government be more powerful than a political writer??  I also like when they bring on that female who worked for Dukakis and that black democratic rep or whatever with the raspy voice from New York.  They make them sound like such dopes when they put them on.
22  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CNN's Crossfire to be canceled. on: January 06, 2005, 11:59:44 pm
I always hated Crossfire.  Thank you Comcast for recently putting in Fox News, as I have been watching Hannity & Colmes and Bill O'Reilly the past six months instead.  No more liberal CNN shows.
Now you have Conservaitve Fox shows. Enjoy the brainwashing.

No, CNN is brainwashing, thank you.

I see zero rabid liberals with their hour-long own shows on CNN.

Wolf Blitzer, Paula Zahn, Larry King, Anderson Cooper......I do.

I have never seen those people intimidate guests, scream at people to shut up, etc.

Intimidate guests...are you kidding.
Maybe not scream, but oh well.

Oh, I forgot Lou Dobbs.  He's screamed at plenty of people.  He's also the biggest intimidator.  His show is nothing but economic isolationism now.
23  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: Hey Republicans on: January 06, 2005, 11:57:33 pm
Alright I quit.  I'll allow myself to be called an idiot.
24  General Politics / U.S. General Discussion / Re: CNN's Crossfire to be canceled. on: January 06, 2005, 11:55:16 pm
I always hated Crossfire.  Thank you Comcast for recently putting in Fox News, as I have been watching Hannity & Colmes and Bill O'Reilly the past six months instead.  No more liberal CNN shows.
Now you have Conservaitve Fox shows. Enjoy the brainwashing.

No, CNN is brainwashing, thank you.

I see zero rabid liberals with their hour-long own shows on CNN.

Wolf Blitzer, Paula Zahn, Larry King, Anderson Cooper......I do.
25  General Politics / Political Debate / Re: Would you vote for a gay or atheist president? on: January 06, 2005, 11:49:00 pm
Are atheists the new black?

No because being black is not a choice.  You should respect people of all colors, because that's what they were born with. 

Atheism and homosexuality are learned actions, and reveal the true morale of a person.

How does one learn to be atheist or gay?
If you're really atheist or gay, you don't have much of a choice. You can't force yourself to be someone that you're not.


Homosexuality is a sexual lifestyle choice.
Atheism is a choice one makes from the information they receive or whatever akno said.

Being gay is not a choice.
If you're not brought up religiously, then religion seems unnatural.
You do have a choice on whether you hide the proceeding or not.

Being gay is a choice
Your religion is a choice

America is full of choices.

Who you pursue love or sex with is a choice.
What sort of people you fundmentally find attractive is not.

Going to church is a choice.
Whether you belive is not a choice.

Pretending to be someone you're not is a choice.

Being tolerant of people who are different people, or have made different choices, is a choice.

Sorry.

Atheism is a choice.
Homosexuality is a choice.

We could go on all night with this.  But we obviously have different viewpoints and aren't going to change one another's views.  So let's drop it.
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