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51  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Margaret Thatcher dies at 87 on: April 08, 2013, 09:13:11 am
I would like not to, but I cannot help myself.

Well, she finally contributes personally to her beloved health-care and pension cuts.

Nicest thing I can say, really.
No it isn't, is it?

If you can't say something nice, as the old saying goes, don't say nowt.
52  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Margaret Thatcher dies at 87 on: April 08, 2013, 07:29:30 am
Haha the victim because you're wished back what you wish on others? I'll be the judge on what you deserve, thanks.

Frail old woman - such a sh**tty defence. Everyone becomes frail in age, it doesn't cancel out the heartless acts carried out in earlier life they've yet to pay for.  
"Heartless acts" - for Christ's sake. How vile do you have to be? Does it really have to be said "I know, how about no-one on here rubs their hands with joy over an old woman dying?"

I wasn’t on this place when Jim Callaghan or Michael Foot died, but I’m going to make a wild guess there were no Tories on here salivating and cheering about it. A bit of the same from our left-wing posters over the death of Margaret Thatcher - or any human being - might just be appreciated and might just be appropriate. 99% of our left posters have managed it.

As for you sneering I'm a Thatcherite really because I've the temerity to call out those who laugh at an old woman dying - believe what you will, makes no odds does it, you reprehensible little prick?
53  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Margaret Thatcher dies at 87 on: April 08, 2013, 07:24:18 am
Don't worry I wish you the exact same.
For having the temerity to criticise you sharing Al's glee over the death of an frail old woman? Wish me what you like; I don't deserve it, you plainly do.
54  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Margaret Thatcher dies at 87 on: April 08, 2013, 07:20:41 am
I agree with Al.
Then the same to you. Don't be so ing vile, eh?
55  General Politics / International General Discussion / Re: Margaret Thatcher dies at 87 on: April 08, 2013, 07:14:47 am
You're a vile pathetic little man, Al, and I hope you yourself die slowly and painfully as you plainly deserve. I'm not a Thatcherite by any stretch, but as far as I know no-one on my side was so low when Wilson or Callaghan died.

Already starting!

I might pray in aid that a thread entitled "Ding dong the witch is dead" might be considered reasonable provocation.
56  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Election Night 1983 : The Anniversary on: April 02, 2013, 08:00:13 am
so in hindsight the SDP are responsible for the Conservative governments of 1983, 1987 and 1992

That's a pretty simplistic, perhaps misleading, perhaps downright wrong rendering of why Thatcher and Major were able to win in 1983, 1987 and 1992. Even for 1983 it's plainly not right.

(which I get from listening to the SDP founders was not what they were planning for)



Smiley
57  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: British Elections 1885-1918 on: March 30, 2013, 01:39:28 pm
As for Durham City, the incumbent for the old City constituency actually held on by about two hundred votes in 1918, but was easily beaten in 1922 and that was the end of that. Btw, if you ever stumble across it, Beynon and Austrin's Masters and Servants: Class and Patronage in the Making of a Labour Organisation is excellent on that general period in County Durham's political history.
The seat pre-1918 only included the city itself (one of the little rotten boroughs with a population just over 15,000 that were allowed to keep their seats in 1885). The sitting Liberal Unionist member, having become a Free Fooder, lost to a Protectionist in 1906, which should show how Unionist it was. After 1918 most of the surrounding "countryside", up to Hetton-le-Hole, were put into it - and as Al says that was the end of that.
58  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: British Elections 1885-1918 on: March 30, 2013, 01:30:46 pm
Because Protestant Liverpool did not like Catholic Liverpool and voted accordingly.
This, basically, leading to a neat twist: Pelling had a theory that in Lancashire seats there was a correlation between Catholicism and Toryism, i.e. that the more Catholic/Irish a seat was, the higher the average Tory/Unionist vote.

A bit counter-intuitive until one thinks of the greater incentive in more Irish seats to play the Orange card and whip up the majority Protestant population on that. Hence elections in Liverpool, even in 1906, involving the religious question and resulting in heavy Tory victories, while elections in Manchester (eventually...) turn on Free Trade.
59  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: British Elections 1885-1918 on: March 20, 2013, 07:46:24 am
The Illustrated London News maps of the 1885 and 1886 elections, now looking nice framed on my living room wall. Bigger ones in the gallery.



60  General Discussion / Religion & Philosophy / Re: BREAKING NEWS: POPE FRANCIS I - Jorge Mario Bergoglio - Argentina on: March 19, 2013, 03:37:57 pm
Yes, this new Pope does seem a little popish to me. I don't like it. Smacks of popery, incense, black bread and wooden shoes.
BELATED WIGAN PIER KLAXON.

Ten points to you, sir.
61  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: British Elections 1974-1997 on: February 25, 2013, 06:52:19 pm
Anyone know where I could find a book that has the results of the UK general elections by consitituency going back to say 1945?
I don't believe there is one book that will do that but Politics Resources will.

For books, I'd get British Parliamentary Election Results 1950-1973 and British Parliamentary Election Results 1974-1983 (both by FWS Craig) from a second-hand site like ABEBooks, then wing it from 1983 with sites like the inestimable D. Boothroyd's.
62  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Bermondsey thirty years later on: February 25, 2013, 04:23:56 am
O'Grady apparently spent some of the campaign singing homophobic ditties on the back of a beer cart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rIxqSNgKmU

(From three minutes in to six minutes in) Featuring part of said ditty, Peter Tatchell’s 1983 comedy cockney accent, and “TATCHELL IS A COMMUNIST POOF” painted in four-foot high letters up a dock wall.
63  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK fantasy parliamentary boundaries - population-based apportionment on: February 22, 2013, 02:46:30 pm
I think this is a 1960 county map:



Not much change from 1970, except the four main points highlighted above: creation of Greater London, mucking about in what is now Cambridgeshire, creation of Teesside CB, swaps in the Black Country.

Either way, we haven't clarified whether this exercise goes on to use the current (2013) districts and wards within each old-time county, or the urban/rural districts existing at the time. If the latter, it'll be a nightmare.
64  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK fantasy parliamentary boundaries - population-based apportionment on: February 22, 2013, 12:41:18 pm
It's missing a trick not to be able to move back to there being an LCC area, a Middlesex County Council, etc. Otherwise it's somewhat formulaic in the SE area. If we take a date like 1960, most of the anomalies haven't been ironed out and it becomes more fun.
65  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK fantasy parliamentary boundaries - population-based apportionment on: February 22, 2013, 09:04:19 am
For the apportionment by county, are we looking at the immediate pre-1974 counties (so, for example - including Huntingdon & Peterborough; Cambridgeshire & Isle of Ely; Dudley transferred to Staffordshire; Smethwick transferred to Worcestershire; Greater London being in existence, etc) or boundaries further back? And within these 'new' old counties, are we looking at administrative boundaries within them as they are now, or as they might have existed at some previous date?
66  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: British Elections 1885-1918 on: February 20, 2013, 12:17:50 pm


Warwickshire 1885-1910. Bigger map in the gallery. Dots indicate unopposed returns. Descriptions of the seats are in Pelling.
67  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: British Elections 1918-1945 on: February 19, 2013, 05:39:57 pm
Can anyone upload a map of results for Plymouth for the 1922 GE?



This should cover it, but the outline map's a little rough I'm afraid.
68  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: British Elections 1974-1997 on: February 18, 2013, 12:52:03 pm
And who is Geoffrey Dickens? For asbestos, I see, same for Meacher, but never heard of Dickens and Internet isn't helping.

"Larger than life in more ways than one" would, I think, refer to him (a) always getting his mush in the papers (a "rent-a-quote MP" as the saying, which has sadly gone out of fashion recently, went) and (b) being rotund, although no-one could hold a candle to Cyril for that.

This obit is interesting, even if Patrick Cosgrave goes a little OTT in his desire to be snide.
69  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: British Elections 1974-1997 on: February 17, 2013, 02:53:53 pm


Bury, Oldham and Rochdale. Starring Mr. Sir Asbestos.
70  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: British Elections 1974-1997 on: February 17, 2013, 02:25:23 pm


Manchester and three surrounding boroughs, 1983-1992. Not a great outline map, but the indicative colouring is fine.
71  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: UK fantasy parliamentary boundaries - population-based apportionment on: February 16, 2013, 06:38:10 am
I think Ullswater is the only ward in Cumbria which crosses a Cumberland/Westmorland/Lancashire boundary.
72  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Eastleigh By-Election on: February 16, 2013, 05:53:32 am
That's potentially against electoral  law. It doesn't appear to have the correct electoral imprint on any of the documents, so breaks the relevant regulations on electoral practice.

Were I the LibDem team, I'd be ensuring the police are made aware of the Labour Party breaking the Representation of the People Act, 1983.

If either your lot or my lot really wanted to get antsy about this puerile trolling, I'd focus less on the imprint and more on the fact that there's no clear indication it came from the Labour Party, but a clear indication it came from the Lib Dems. There's a tipping point where "Lib Dems putting out leaflets with red mastheads" tips into passing off. I don't know what the relevant legislation is but I suspect it's RotPA 1983 also. I believe the Lib Dems in dear old Tower Hamlets got into hot water over a series of "Labour Rose" leaflets in the early 90s.

Not that I could condone doing that because I would be a great big miseryguts for doing so and trollolol #ofarrell.
73  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: Eastleigh By-Election on: February 13, 2013, 01:35:35 pm
"Beer, Baccy and Crumpets" it's a stroke of genius. And my retirement plans.
"Crumpet", not "crumpets". He may mean something different to what you think/hope he means.
74  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / British Elections 1974-1997 on: February 12, 2013, 05:26:14 pm
I don't think there's a thread on this sort of thing (following on the heels of the 1885-1918/1918-1945/1950-1970 ones up), and I daresay that's because there's not much to say that doesn't have its own thread already.

But I wanted to put this map of Brummagem and Solihull up, so here we go:



Bigger map in t'gallery.
75  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / International Elections / Re: British Elections 1918-1945 on: February 12, 2013, 04:00:23 pm


Just further to the maps up top about the causes of electorate decline in London in the inter-war period, here's a similar map indicating population change between 1914 and 1961. A bit of late inter-war clearance, but nothing compared to the post-1940 flight.
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