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101  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Ted Cruz on: July 24, 2016, 01:49:14 pm
Massive HP.

In terms of policy, especially social issues, he's even worse than Drumpf if that's possible. He's right-wing ideologue without the ability to compromise. Even most GOP senators dislike that dude.
I agree 100%. Lyin' Ted is one of the worst Senators currently in office.
102  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi on: July 24, 2016, 01:47:26 pm
Massive HP. The Shah of Iran was little more the an incompetent and brutal dictator who mercilessly slaughtered his political opponents and sought to enrich himself at the expense of ordinary Iranians. According to a 1976 report by Amnesty International, Iran under the Shah had the highest number of political prisoners, the lowest level of press freedom, and the overall worst human rights record in the entire world. I would have enthusiastically supported his overthrow in 1978, but would have favored the secular democratic opposition led by Shapour Bakhtiar coming to power instead of Ayatollah Khomeini.
103  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Which State Will Give Johnson the Lowest Vote Percentage? on: July 24, 2016, 12:38:37 pm
Probably Oklahoma, West Virginia, Mississippi, Alabama, Maryland, and maybe New York.
104  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Presidential Ratings and Predictions - Georgia on: July 23, 2016, 04:29:40 pm
Lean Trump

50-47-3
105  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Who will win Allegheny County, PA? on: July 22, 2016, 09:26:12 pm
Clinton, but it could plausibly close to 50 Clinton/44 Trump or so.
106  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: What state will have the largest percentage of Clinton Republicans? on: July 20, 2016, 02:29:20 pm
Probably Utah, Texas, Virginia, Arizona, North Carolina, New Hampshire, and Florida.
107  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Alternative Elections / Re: Who would be President in the years from 2017-2041 on: July 18, 2016, 06:36:30 pm
2017-2021: Hillary Clinton/Julian Castro
2021-2029: Lyin' Ted/Tom Cotton
2029-2037: Joseph P. Kennedy III/John Bel Edwards
2037-2045: Unknown Republican
108  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Which states will be won by 20% or more? on: July 12, 2016, 08:25:49 am
109  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Best and Worst Senators of the Past 50 Years: New York on: July 10, 2016, 11:57:24 am
Kennedy/Clinton
110  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: If Clinton actually loses to Trump...hands on: July 07, 2016, 09:16:46 pm
Clinton still would've defeated McCain in 2008. If anything, the map would be a bit different than in RL, with Clinton easily picking up Missouri, West Virginia, Arkansas, and maybe Tennessee, Kentucky, and Louisiana. On the other hand, I have McCain picking up Colorado, Iowa, Indiana, and North Carolina. Virginia and Ohio also might have been a bit closer in a Clinton vs McCain race, but I still see Clinton carrying both.
I don't think Clinton would win Arkansas unless she got more appeal to Blue Dogs without alienating the progressives who supported Halter in 2010.
Arkansas would have been a tough state for Hillary Clinton in 2008, but I feel that it is plausible for her to have carried it due to her past connections to the state and also due to the economic collapse and subsequent recession in 2008. Tennessee, Louisiana, and Kentucky also would have been tough states for Clinton as well, but I feel she would have had a chance in all three if she ran a strong enough campaign and framed her campaign in a way that appealed to Blue Dog Democrats.
111  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: If Clinton actually loses to Trump... on: July 07, 2016, 12:38:23 pm
Clinton still would've defeated McCain in 2008. If anything, the map would be a bit different than in RL, with Clinton easily picking up Missouri, West Virginia, Arkansas, and maybe Tennessee, Kentucky, and Louisiana. On the other hand, I have McCain picking up Colorado, Iowa, Indiana, and North Carolina. Virginia and Ohio also might have been a bit closer in a Clinton vs McCain race, but I still see Clinton carrying both.
112  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: President Nixon in 1964 on: July 06, 2016, 04:21:01 pm
Assuming that Richard Nixon survives an assassination attempt on November 22, 1963 and that the Civil Rights Act is passed the same time as in RL, I could see a map like this occurring:

President Richard Nixon (R-CA)/Vice President Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (R-MA): 296 EV (50%)
Senate Majority Leader Lyndon Johnson (D-TX)/Congressman James Roosevelt (D-CA): 189 EV (44%)
Governor Orval Faubus (Dixiecrat-AR)/Former Governor Ross Barnett (Dixiecrat-MS): 53 EV (5%)
Others: 0 EV (1%)

For 1968, I have Vice President Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. winning the Republican nomination narrowly against Barry Goldwater and selecting Ronald Reagan as his running-mate. On the Democratic side, I have Robert Kennedy (who was narrowly elected to the Senate in 1964 due to Lyndon Johnsons coattails in New York) winning the Democratic nomination and selecting George McGovern as his running mate. George Wallace still runs, but selects Strom Thurmond (who remains a Democrat in TTL) as his running mate instead of Curtis LeMay. Due to President Nixons failed Vietnam War polices and due to voter fatigue regarding 16 years of Republican Presidents, I have Robeet Kennedy defeating both Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. and George Wallace by a landslide margin.
113  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Best and Worst Senators of the Past 50 Years: Missouri on: June 30, 2016, 10:45:26 pm
Danforth/Ashcroft, but Symington's pretty great too.
114  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Blowin' in the Wind: A Timeline from the 1960s Onward on: June 22, 2016, 06:15:01 pm
Great timeline so far! It is interesting seeing LBJ sticking with his Dixiecrat roots on the issue of civil rights. BTW, was the Senate vote on the Civil Rights Act of 1962 75-25, with Ralph Yarborough and Estes Kefauver being the only Southern Democrats voting in favor and Norris Cotton, Bourke Hickenlooper, and Barry Goldwater being the only Republicans who voted against it? I would assume the House vote would have been around 300-138 in favor as well.
I never thought about that.  I would guess that John Butler would be the fourth Republican vote against it.
John Butler is definitely a possibility, though I think he did vote in favor of the 1957 and 1960 Civil Rights Acts.
115  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Opinion of Joseph McCarthy on: June 19, 2016, 06:33:24 pm
Massive HP. Ted Cruz is quite similar to Joe McCarthy IMO.
116  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Best and Worst Senators of the Past 50 Years: Kentucky on: June 19, 2016, 06:30:35 pm
Best: Cooper, though Morton is also good.

Worst: Bunning
117  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: What would produce this map? on: June 17, 2016, 07:31:16 pm
Lincoln Chaffee/Mike Huckabee vs Jim Matheson/John Bel Edwards?
118  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Best and Worst Senators of the Past 50 Years: Georgia on: June 17, 2016, 07:06:11 pm
Nunn/Russell
119  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Blowin' in the Wind: A Timeline from the 1960s Onward on: June 17, 2016, 06:49:29 pm
Great timeline so far! It is interesting seeing LBJ sticking with his Dixiecrat roots on the issue of civil rights. BTW, was the Senate vote on the Civil Rights Act of 1962 75-25, with Ralph Yarborough and Estes Kefauver being the only Southern Democrats voting in favor and Norris Cotton, Bourke Hickenlooper, and Barry Goldwater being the only Republicans who voted against it? I would assume the House vote would have been around 300-138 in favor as well.
120  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Past Election What-ifs (US) / Re: 1952 Ike vrs truman on: June 15, 2016, 06:18:22 am
Of course Truman would be the better choice. Just think of Iran: The CIA operation to overthrow a democraticly elected government was a disaster. It led to the Shah and later to the mullas. Eisenhower approved the coup d'etat at the reuqest of Great Britain because they weren't willing to share oil profits. The years before, President Truman rejected these ideas.
You are 100% correct. What we did to the Iranian people in 1953 was one of the worst foreign policy blunders in US history. Due to CIA director Allen Dulles manipulating President Eisenhower to sign on to Operation AJAX, Iran went from having a democratic government led by the great Mohammed Mossadegh (who in a way reminded me of Bernie Sanders) to having an authoritarian dictatorship led by the Shah of Iran, who was a brutal mass murderer and one of the most infamous and corrupt world leaders of the 20th Century. According to a 1976 report by Amnesty International, Iran under the Shah had the worlds worst human rights record, lowest level of political freedom, and had over 100,000 political prisoners awaiting torture or execution at any given time.
121  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / 2016 U.S. Presidential Election / Re: Opinion of the drop-outs? CRUZ edition! on: May 04, 2016, 09:33:32 am
Toss up between HP and Satan. Lean Satan.
Sparing us from this monster is probably the best thing Trump has done so far.
122  Presidential Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Election What-ifs? / Re: Blowin' in the Wind: A Timeline from the 1960s Onward on: April 10, 2016, 07:40:38 am
Does Oswald  remain  a   obscure  figour in this t.l.
I am curious what happens to  Reagan. Goldwalter  and John kennedy in this t.l.
Maybe JFK makes a comeback in 1968 and serves as President from 1969-1977 and Ronald Reagan gets elected in 1976 and serves from 1977-1985?
123  General Discussion / Alternative History / Re: What if Gerald Ford had been reelected? on: April 07, 2016, 10:13:25 am
Most people tend to think Gerry would have had it rough and finished in 1981 a mediocre president.

But tbh I don't think he would have done as bad as Carter did. Carter was an extremely naive optimist who himself admitted that he did a terrible job of reaching out to people. He was too much of an outsider who was extremely vague on what he wanted  to do. Ford on the other hand was a master at congress and knew how to use that to his advantage. I see more successful stuff being passed or at least Ford trying to pass his versions of it.

Domestically I think he would have done better than Carter did. The economy was on the up for most of 76. His tax cuts were working and things were going well. He wanted to do more to help make things more efficient and keep creating jobs, he had almost 4 million new ones by July 76. He wanted to pass some more tax changes and de-regulate some industries. IDK if that could have worked but the tax thing could have.  He wanted to have more domestic drilling too which could have helped if the 79 oil crisis came around.

The main thing that I am 50/50 on is Iran. He could either refused the Shah or let him in. I like to think he would have done the former but who knows. Either way it would have made or broke the 4 years.

Economy wise it's really iffy to say. He could have easily improved things in long term or he could have just made them stay where they were until his last year or so and his successor would have had to deal with it. Inflation would have been a headache regardless.

As for who would have followed I say a democrat it would have been. Reps would have been in for 11 years and that's a good while. I see Dole getting the nom with Bush as his VP, and the Dems nominating Kennedy, Brown, or Mondale.  I see Brown getting it more than anything. Kennedy would stay out and Mondale was a bore.





Brown/Bentsen-321 EV's, 51%
Dole/Bush-217 EV's, 44%
Anderson/Lucey-0 EV's, 5%


Anderson kills Dole and the Reps chances. Debate happens in RL and Brown wins with his version of Reagan's pitch.  Reagan is just bitter he is not the lead here, the party stays more moderate and conservatism doesn't happen for the Reps.

Brown is there at least until 84 but if he's half as bit as successful as Reagan was he would be in until 89, where Bentsen gets it until 92 or 96.


I think in the end Ford would have went down as a fine President. Not the best or worst he did the best with a rough as hell situation.
It is entirely possible that Ford would have supported the Shah much more than Carter in lead up to the Iranian Revolution, which might have resulted a much more bloodshed in the Revolution than in RL (I know that the Shah killed about 60,000 people during the Revolution in RL, so the death toll would probably be much higher if the US directly supported the Shah).
124  General Politics / Individual Politics / Re: Who would you have voted for in in past presidential elections? on: April 05, 2016, 02:28:42 pm
1972: George McGovern (Democratic)
1976: Jimmy Carter (Democratic)
1980: Jimmy Carter, reluctantly
1984: Walter Mondale (Democratic)
1988: Michael Dukakis (Democratic)

1992: Andre Marrou (Libertarian)
1996: Robert Dole (Republican)
2000: Bush or Nader (Green), probably Bush (to stop Gore)
2004: Ralph Nader
2008: Cynthia McKinney (Green)

2012: Jill Stein (Green)
You wouldn't have supported Reagan in 1980 or 1984?
125  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion / Congressional Elections / Re: MO Senate; Roy Blunt may be in trouble after all on: April 04, 2016, 10:03:09 am
I've thought all along that Kander could win.  And if Trump is the GOP nominee, I suspect he will.
That's what I thought since 2013 as well.
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