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Question: Who Should Martinez Select for Vice President?
#1
Paul
 
#2
Huntsman
 
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Total Voters: 19

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Blackacre
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« on: December 02, 2012, 05:52:13 PM »

This really is awesome. Go Clinton!!
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Blackacre
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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2012, 03:56:32 PM »

Out of curiosity, why did you choose MSNBC's commentators to run the show?
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Blackacre
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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2012, 10:50:53 PM »

No real reason. Though I'm a staunch Republican I do enjoy watching MSNBC from time.
Next update coming next week sometime.
You're the only Republican I know who doesn't despise MSNBC, in that case. Every other Republican I have ever talked to treats it like it's some plague channel that makes zombies or something. o.o
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Blackacre
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E: -5.35, S: -7.22

« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2012, 10:09:20 AM »

No real reason. Though I'm a staunch Republican I do enjoy watching MSNBC from time.
Next update coming next week sometime.
You're the only Republican I know who doesn't despise MSNBC, in that case. Every other Republican I have ever talked to treats it like it's some plague channel that makes zombies or something. o.o

Back when I was a Republican I enjoyed a lot of their anchors (Ratigan and Maddow mostly).
Cool! Where I am, the Republicans watch Fox and the Democrats watch MSNBC and they hate the other one. (and NOBODY likes CNN) It gets pretty ugly on Facebook...
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Blackacre
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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2012, 06:31:38 PM »

Woo! So either way, we get the first woman president. We all know who Hillary Clinton is, but I don't know much about Martinez. For your next update, can you have the MSNBC crew talk about Martinez specifically and what she's done? Maybe cover Rand Paul too.

Also, for the sake of this timeline, how is, well... everything? How'd the 2014 midterms turn out, how's the economy, unemployment rate, national debt, national security and other foreign policy stuff, etc? How well is Obamacare working in your timeline? How high is Obama's approval rating? All these things will provide sort of a context for this election.
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Blackacre
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E: -5.35, S: -7.22

« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2012, 03:20:51 PM »

Thanks for the update. This gives me a much better understanding of this election scene. Basically, it made your already awesome "coverage" even better.
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Blackacre
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« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2012, 05:26:13 PM »
« Edited: December 16, 2012, 03:39:47 PM by Spenstar3D »

So Martinez takes the lead and now she's the establishment choice? Wasn't that Jeb Bush? Aw well, it's Rand Paul, if he's anything like the Paul fanboys.... yeah.

BTW, what does "Back to the Future or Forward to the Present" mean, anyway? I mean in regards to the race, what's the significance of the title?

Edit: Your election map kinda confuses me. New Mexico voted for the Democrats since 1992, with the exception of 2004. Why would NM suddenly be firmly in Martinez' column? I know she's governor of that state, but that didn't help Al Gore or Mitt Romney. Why wouldn't it be another tossup?
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Blackacre
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2012, 05:04:38 PM »

Wait, when did Patrick quit? Is he still around? Hmm...

(C'mon Hillary, pick Al Franken as your running mate! Or Charlie Crist! Imagine what they can do for your campaign)
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Blackacre
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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2012, 12:20:19 AM »

Hmm... this could be very interesting. I wonder how her choice would affect the campaign moving forward. I know some VP picks (Palin, Ryan) have been a bigger deal than others (Biden) so this could be very interesting to see. Also makes me wonder who Martinez might pick...
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Blackacre
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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2012, 12:26:19 PM »

Did I see Boehner?!? That would be disasterois for Martinez... But very interesting to see unfold
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Blackacre
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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2012, 06:25:57 PM »
« Edited: December 18, 2012, 06:27:29 PM by Spenstar3D »

Did I see Boehner?!? That would be disasterois for Martinez... But very interesting to see unfold

Maybe you mistook Sandoval for Boehner? They both have chubby faces and similar head shape
Yep, it's Sandoval.
Shows what I know. Boehner would have been... weird.

"Governor Bill Clinton" do you mean "Former President Clinton" or...

edit: Florida? Does that mean Charlie Crist??
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Blackacre
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« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2012, 11:11:38 AM »

Called it! Crist FTW! This is awesome, if only for Martinez' attack ads against him that may highlight the policy shifts he made since the switch. This will be the ultimate test of Crist as a D; perhaps part of the switch was on his changes, instead of just the party's.

As for Martinez' pick, I'm betting on Rand Paul. His father's grassroots organizations and appeal to the youth vote could help her a lot. Either him or Huntsman
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Blackacre
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E: -5.35, S: -7.22

« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2012, 12:30:40 AM »

ooh, dead even...
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Blackacre
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« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2012, 11:33:28 AM »

Glad Martinez took the high road and defended Clinton's age and used the opportunity to go back to policy discussions. I can see why you liked her enough to pick her as your nominee Tongue
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Blackacre
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« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2012, 07:16:13 PM »

So two convention bumps later and we're back where we started. Cant wait to see what happens next.
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Blackacre
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« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2013, 05:38:52 PM »

Wouldn't Clinton be doing better in Florida with Crist on the ticket?
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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2013, 12:19:10 PM »

Sounds like a kind of boring debate, but still. I wonder how the VP debate will change things, if at all.
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Blackacre
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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2013, 10:32:27 AM »

Great update. Glad to see Clinton doing better this time than last time. I'll have to check the backstory to see if Martinez' comments about the deficit balooning ring true or not, but I do know that the package she's talking about cut entitlements and raised taxes.
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Blackacre
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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2013, 03:13:10 PM »

I'd hate to play the roll of Opebo here, but Martinez wouldn't be leading in West Virginia for the pure fact that Hillary is white and she's brown.
Neither Gore nor Kerry won that state, though.
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Blackacre
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« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2013, 06:09:01 PM »

I'd hate to play the roll of Opebo here, but Martinez wouldn't be leading in West Virginia for the pure fact that Hillary is white and she's brown.
Neither Gore nor Kerry won that state, though.

I didn't realize Gore and Kerry ran against a Latina Wink

Um... Jorje Bush? xD
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Blackacre
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E: -5.35, S: -7.22

« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2013, 06:17:03 PM »

Being a black professor with roots in Kenya and Malaysia is a lot different than being a Mexican American from a working class family.

Translation: being a minority who Fox News hates is a lot different from being a minority who Fox News likes. Fox wouldn't stir up hatred toward Martinez the way they did toward Obama. C'mon, you think MSNBC will pound Martinez for being maybe born in Mexico or any of the other things that Fox attacked Obama for? No, they would criticize her policy and gaffes like they did to Romney. And of the two, which one has more influence in a Republican state?
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Blackacre
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« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2013, 07:15:26 PM »

If Nate Silver said it, it must be true!
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Blackacre
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« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2013, 07:05:47 PM »

The suspense! This is awesome!
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Blackacre
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« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2013, 03:21:27 PM »

So much suspense... let's finish this! xD
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« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2013, 11:12:18 PM »

Nooooooo!!!!! Clinton!!!!! D:
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