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Јas
Jas
Junior Chimp
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« on: January 01, 2008, 02:50:08 PM »

I intend to seek the nomination of the Progessive Caucus.
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Јas
Jas
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2008, 07:29:48 PM »

I intend to seek the nomination of the Progessive Caucus.

This isn't the caucus, but I'll disregard that, and add you to the list anyways.

Good luck, Jas!

And the Gaffe Count on the Jas campaign is off and running!

Apologies for error; thanks for the well wishes; and good luck with running the primary! Smiley
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Јas
Jas
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2008, 04:51:54 AM »

[5] Adak, Alaska
[8] Austin, Texas
[4] Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
[7] Seattle, Washington
[9] Culebra, Puerto Rico
[3] Milwaukee, Wisconsin
[6] Richmond, Virginia
[10] Annapolis, Maryland
[2] Nome, Alaska
[1] Belle Fourche, South Dakota
[11] San Francisco, California
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Јas
Jas
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2008, 10:17:53 AM »

Wow, between the two, Jas is tied for second, 7-2-2! Perhaps we have a serious Atlasian upset on our hands?

All the polling has showed Polnut ahead.

Polnut's a good guy (and heck I agree with him on most matters of policy) and he can run a campaign - I just don't get why his support is so high.

It seems I'm losing to a guy who was a Governor of a dying region a year ago;
has no experience of or even dealings with the federal government;
who has little or nothing to show as being more liberal than me on either social or economic positions of any relevance to the Presidency;
whose forum affairs stances are either unworkable (the budget) or simply tinkering with my own adopted proposals (citizen's initiative);
and has really only made occasional appearances in Atlasia to run unsuccessful election campaigns in the past year.

It's actually quite depressing.
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Јas
Jas
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2008, 10:34:16 AM »


I don't think it's vicious.
I also think I've said essentially the same things already at one point or other, and most importantly, I think it's all true.
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Јas
Jas
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 8,705
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2008, 11:07:01 AM »


I don't think it's vicious.
I also think I've said essentially the same things already at one point or other, and most importantly, I think it's all true.

The truth can hurt, Jas.

I for one am disgusted by these attacks, no matter how true they may be. 

So you're saying, yes it's all true - but I shouldn't point it out?
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Јas
Jas
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2008, 02:55:00 PM »

Wow, between the two, Jas is tied for second, 7-2-2! Perhaps we have a serious Atlasian upset on our hands?

All the polling has showed Polnut ahead.

Polnut's a good guy (and heck I agree with him on most matters of policy) and he can run a campaign - I just don't get why his support is so high.

It seems I'm losing to a guy who was a Governor of a dying region a year ago;
has no experience of or even dealings with the federal government;
who has little or nothing to show as being more liberal than me on either social or economic positions of any relevance to the Presidency;
whose forum affairs stances are either unworkable (the budget) or simply tinkering with my own adopted proposals (citizen's initiative);
and has really only made occasional appearances in Atlasia to run unsuccessful election campaigns in the past year.

It's actually quite depressing.
I meant nothing by it, it was merely a misunderstanding. I must say, Im far from impressed by your Clintonite "I deserve the presidency" tone here, Jas.

I think that comment is unfair. I don't believe that I deserve the Presidency, but I have spent too long in Atlasia and worked too hard to see it gifted to someone who I think isn't worthy of the office. The Presidency was never an office I've greatly aspired to. Were there a candidate I trusted; a candidate who I felt was competent; a candidate who would work hard for Atlasia; a candidate I felt could win then I simply wouldn't be in this race.

If I thought for one moment that Polnut would make a good President, I would not be in this contest. But his record in Atlasia strikes me as so lacklustre and so unproductive that I can't stand idly by. I care too much about Atlasia to simply roll over.

The idea that putting Polnut's record of office in Atlasia front and centre;
or criticising his only sometime interest in this nation;
or suggesting that those legislative plans he has put forward are seriously flawed;
the idea that any of these things is inappropriate for a campaign strikes me as utterly negligent.

This isn't a beauty contest, it's the Presidency of Atlasia - I (rightly or wrongly) take that seriously.
Atlasia should be fully aware of what the choices are, like it or not, Mr. Polnut's record is what it is and Atlasians should take strong note of it when they cast their ballots.



I think your awful VP pick has a lot to do with it, Jas.

Regrettably, agreed. You made the mistake of not consulting the people on the left who got Colin elected.

If true, then it's very unfortunate, but I stand by my choice.

Mr. Moderate is a commited Atlasian. He along with Verily have almost themselves alone kept the Northeast region afloat with discussion and voting on their initiatives in recent months. Mr. Moderate is a good Senator - he proposes legislation and amendments, he participates in debates - he is not a radical, he understands compromise. He is to my right politically, but he is as named, a moderate. And speaking as the Vice President, I don't envy anyone willing to take on this office trying to get something done - it's not easy - this office is far from the nexus of Atlasia's political universe.

I asked Mr. Moderate to consider joining the ticket, for one good reason. I know, that if something happened to me, he would be more than capable of handling the Presidency responsibly. He cares about Atlasia, he works hard for Atlasia - if the left can't see that Mr. Moderate is more Presidential than Mr. Polnut then frankly, they need to re-examine things.

This ticket offers experience, competence and credibility through and through. These things are very important to me, but if they're not important to the Atlasian left then so be it. The people will get the representatives they deserve.
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Јas
Jas
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 8,705
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2008, 03:23:24 PM »

There is hardly a record to your claim, as we have never elected a candidate that has less experience than you do now, so Im calling the point moot.

I'm not sure what you're getting at. It wouldn't matter so much if my argument was that Mr. Polnut's record isn't as good as mine. But my argument isn't that it's not as good as mine, my argument is that you have to search long and hard to find any credible Atlasian politican whose record doesn't look good compared to Mr. Polnut. My argument is that if this election was Polnut vs. NOTA, then I think people would have to think long and hard about their decision.

My major issue with Polnut isn't his lack of experience (though I do think that's a serious issue), my major problem is his record as Mideastern Governor. Not the length of his term of office, but what he did with it. In short was the Mideast beter off having elected him?

What was the quality of his legislation?
Importantly, for someone who believes a budget is a necessity for serious governance, what efforts did he make to create one for the Mideast?

What efforts did he make to increase participation in the Mideast?
And if he seriously wanted to see the Mideast bloom, why leave the region?

And what about after his term, when he lost an election and moved to the Northeast?
What has he done since joining the Northeast?
How many initiatives has he put forward or even participated in discussion on?
What is the sum of his contribution?

If Atlasians consider all these things, then they will be in no doubt about what kind of Presidency Mr. Polnut will bring.

If the people feel that Mr. Polnut's record is a moot point, that is their prerogative. I can't do anything if people decide to elect Mr. Polnut - but I can let them know what to expect.
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Јas
Jas
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 8,705
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2008, 12:40:20 PM »

Oookay, apparently I'm not participating in the convention after all.

boycott?

  • Following due consideration and consultation, I've decided to ask my delegates not to enter the Progressive Primary Convention. I'd like to publicly thank those voters who were willing to do so and apologise for any inconvenience I've put them to.


What a poor sport. I used to think Jas was a decent Vice President, but this is just appalling.

Initially, I had sought delegates, but after your refusal to properly address or take seriously the complaints and comments of Al; Lewis; Ebowed; and Moderate (4 respected Progressives and Atlasians with genuine concerns), I decided to ask my delegates not to attend.

(Al's particularly brilliant choice of picket line didn't hurt either! Smiley)
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