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« on: January 30, 2019, 07:49:35 AM »

Gabbard belongs to a homophobic new age cult. Not her fault she was raised by loons, but she still follows and admires her cult leader.

EXTREMELY offensive and factually incorrect.
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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2019, 03:22:39 PM »
« Edited: February 05, 2019, 03:26:08 PM by Celes »

A word on Hindu nationalism:

The only reason she is accused of being a Hindu nationalist is because she is not ethnically Indian and became a Hindu in her teens. Non-Indian Hindus are a fraction of the United States' Hindu population and are often targeted as "nationalist sympathizers," "un-American," "traitors," and "cult members." Hindu Indian-Americans experience significant racism and generally -- though absolutely not completely so -- more subtle religious discrimination. Since non-Indian Hindus, especially white Hindus, do not experience racial discrmination in the same way (or for most whites, nearly at all), this difference is made up for by ramping up anti-Hindu rhetoric against them. This is by no means to say that non-Indian Hindus somehow have it worse than Hindu Indian-Americans; merely that the experiences are qualifiably different.

Gabbard's involvement with Modi is in large part due to Modi's interest in her as the first elected Hindu congressperson from the United States, and her involvement with the Hindu American Foundation -- the Hindu community's nonpartisan public advocacy organization which has been similarly accused of being "right-wing," despite offering free resources for LGBT Hindus in the United States and actively endorsing and working with all of the openly Hindu members of Congress, all three being Democrats (not including Pramila Jayapal, who has not openly disclosed her faith; the HAF still actively supports her, one of the most progressive House Democrats). The only reason no one bothered accusing any of the myriad other politicians of "Hindu nationalism" for connections with Modi is because none of the others who have any ties to him are Hindus.

There is nothing wrong with Hinduism and there is no evidence that Tulsi Gabbard is a Hindu nationalist. Hinduism is the world's oldest major religion and its third largest. To pretend that 900 million people are all going to believe the same thing and act the same way, despite coming under the same broad label, is bigotry. Hinduism has a particular problem with internet communications and optics, as trolls based in India tend to watch search functions for words like "Hindu" and "Hindutva" in order to attack authors, journalists, commentators, and private citizens for not being pro-Hindu nationalist, and to attack Hindus of the aforementioned groups specifically for not being sufficiently Islamophobic in their rhetoric. This is a small minority of Hindus.

It is barely even technically correct to say that there is one, unified "Hinduism," let alone to buy into this ridiculous conspiracy theory.

Tulsi has many weaknesses and this is not one of them.
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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2019, 07:43:58 AM »
« Edited: June 13, 2019, 10:22:01 AM by Celes »

A little commentary on the Butler situation: https://link.medium.com/pDGTe5vxsX

In addition, the Intelligencer article states that Butler's organization does not describe itself as "Hindu," and Tulsi does. Tulsi became a Hindu as a teenager.

The history of Hinduism in the United States is complicated and the guru dynamic, as it was meant to be practiced, has been very difficult to achieve -- even relatively mainstream American "Hindu" organizations (the term is very much elective and self-applied) like ISKCON have suffered from abuse at the hands of unscrupulous gurus. While progress has been made in cleaning this up, the work is far from over and it will be a good while until Hinduism in America is purged of this kind of thing. Don't forget that "Hinduism" in the sense that we use that term today only definitively came to the United States in 1893, and to a large extent, wasn't even really established until 1965ish.

When that happened, Hinduism in the United States split in a few different directions, not all of them productive or, well, good. I am talking about the Americanized Hindu-derivative traditions, here -- again, the SIF is not a Hindu organization. It is an interfaith sect drawing inspiration from, among other things, Hindu thought. There are dozens of such societies in the United States and some of them are healthier than others -- Butler's is shady, and this is notable because it stands out as a negative example of Hindu-adjacent practice in the United States.

It is a good thing that we're having a discussion about Tulsi's faith; let's just ensure we're still operating in the context of, well, reality. Tulsi Gabbard is a Hindu who was initially raised in a Hindu-offshoot society -- this conversation has before drifted into calling her a "cult member" and writing off all Gaudiya Vaishanavas because some dude is running some shady organization claiming that lineage. This is especially relevant when you look at his website:

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According to Veda and yoga, the perfection of life and of yoga is the achievement of pure bhakti (spiritual love). Yoga is not something one can join or quit, but is rather the eternal truth (sanatana dharma) of our identity. Yoga is an individual (rather than a team) pursuit or endeavor. While the association of like-minded seekers is encouraged, the concept of being “saved” by joining an institution or church is foreign (and alien to) the Vedic or yoga system.

American Hindu-adjacent groups often do this thing where they reduce important terminology into very general concepts, like calling bhakti just "spiritual love." Simply calling "eternal truth" the "sanatana dharma" is, similarly, of incomplete accuracy, and treating these terms so vaguely allows believers to read into them whatever they want, often by design.

Let's just be very careful about the scope of what we're talking about, here, because with this topic, there are many different classes of people going by similar names and using similar language doing very diverse things throughout.

EDIT: It's also worth noting that even ISKCON is still not held in very high regard by many Hindus. This entire topic has not yet been answered even among the community in a narrative or categorical sense, let alone with regard to Tulsi personally.
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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2019, 09:06:53 AM »

She never had a good chance, but there is an opening for Tulsi Gabbard. Her branding has been absolutely dismal and she has been running a pretty flat campaign.
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