Israel-Gaza war

[Mr. Illini]

Obviously a lot will unfold and so the answer to this question could change depending on what happens, but it would be interesting to hear someone, if it is assumed reasonable that Israel responds to the attacks, what the alternative is to any of the steps that they have taken so far.

Clearly it is a complicated situation with Gaza being so densely populated, Hamas hiding in civilian areas, etc. But those things are fixed. What is the reasonable alternative?

I am someone who has been critical of actions by the Israeli government in the broader situation, but I suppose on these things I’m just a bit of a realist.

[Mr. Illini]

Obviously a lot will unfold and so the answer to this question could change depending on what happens, but it would be interesting to hear someone, if it is assumed reasonable that Israel responds to the attacks, what the alternative is to any of the steps that they have taken so far.

Clearly it is a complicated situation with Gaza being so densely populated, Hamas hiding in civilian areas, etc. But those things are fixed. What is the reasonable alternative?

I am someone who has been critical of actions by the Israeli government in the broader situation, but I suppose on these things I’m just a bit of a realist.

They've already killed all of the Hamas fighters who actually attacked Israel. Otherwise, a targeted assassination on Hamas leadership on Qatar, while technically a violation of their sovereignty (like Eichmann in Argentina) would be infinitely more justified than the mass torture and murder of children.

Do you have a source on the first claim?

My question was what actions so far, including the strikes that have been done to date apparently killing all Hamas fighters. So, do you believe what they’ve done thus far is justified? Would you support a strike in Qatar?

[Mr. Illini]

https://twitter.com/henrymance/status/1712811314299490353?s=20

Dangerous rhetoric on the precipice of invasion

[Mr. Illini]

https://www.axios.com/2023/10/11/zelensky-israel-hamas-war-gaza-visit-netanyahu

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky wants to visit Israel in a show of solidarity with the country amid the fighting in Gaza, two Ukrainian and Israeli officials told Axios.

FYI - this doesn’t give you any sort of moral high ground. Zelensky is toeing the western position because his future depends on their continued support against his imperialist invader.

[Mr. Illini]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna120272

An independent UN investigation may be needed at this point. These are extremely serious claims and HRW is not some fringe organization.

They flat out admitted to using it in the 2008-09 conflict. I’m not aware of any charges having been filed.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2009/jan/21/gaza-phosphorus-shells

[Mr. Illini]

This is not happening. We only gave Iraqis a 48 hour warning before invading and calling what we did in Iraq a genocide would be completely absurd

Why do you always make such ridiculous comparisons? The US-Iraq war was not an ethno-religious conflict.

If you do not want Israel to invade Gaza or bomb Gaza then what should they do.

I can only speak for myself, but invading and bombing Gaza with more reasonable rules of engagement is exactly what I want them to do. Do you genuinely not understand the difference?

OSR has chosen a side and is in search of a justification.

[Mr. Illini]

Israel is shutting down Al Jazeera’s operations and broadcasting effective immediately

https://apnews.com/article/eba9416aea82f505ab908ee60d1de5e4

[Mr. Illini]

I don’t really get why Rafah is some sort of special red line. Israel made it clear in the beginning that would go anywhere in Gaza to root out Hamas, and the USA made it clear that it would support Israel in doing that. If Hamas is based out of Rafah, it would seem as if Israel should be allowed to conduct military operations there.

They’ve pushed most Palestinians in Gaza into Rafah, so attacking the city has the potential to inflict massive civilian casualties.