The Seriously? Theatre of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts V

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Trump would probably not be re-elected; Clinton probably would, so the question is which
is worse four years of Trump or eight of Clinton? Therefore, vote for Jill Stein.

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Yeah, what was said above. I'll point out too that Bob Taft in Ohio was re-elected by a far larger margin than Pawlenty and yet is almost universally considered the worst Governor of that decade of any state and left office with an approval rating of like 12%. Hell even strident Republican hacks probably wouldn't be willing to argue that Rick Scott is a good Governor.

But even that's not the most absurd part of the claim, I find that the idea that Pawlenty was an anti-establishment Republican. This is a guy who literally only ran for Governor because officials of the Bush Administration asked him to drop out of the Senate race to clear the path for Coleman. Pawlenty is less anti-establishment than Mitt Romney.

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BRTD, I'm not the one who is obessed with NH, it's the media pundits and Atlas posters who are. Every election cycle we have to hear stuff like "OMG WATCH OUT FOR NEW HAMPSHIRE!", "OMG WHY IS NEW HAMPSHIRE SO INDEPENDENT AND ELASTIC!", "IF JEANNE SHAHEEN WINS, DEMOCRATS WILL HOLD THE SENATE!11!", "NH IS THE ONLY ULTIMATE BELLWETHER!!1!", blah blah.
Just because there are many registered "Independents" in NH, that doesn't mean that they are really Independent - in fact, most of them are just closeted partisans. We all know how those cretins vote when it's a White woman that is running against a man, for example. I'd be fine with the state if they just admitted to being a solid blue sexist racist state, but it gets on my nerves when they act as some enlightened Independent ultra-turbo-mega-elastic heaven that is setting the tone for the primaries and the direction of the country. The only good thing NH has done is shattering the myth of White supremacy once and for all.

I do not want people like Ann Kuster, Bob Smith, Jeanne Shaheen or Maggie Hassan to decide control of Congress or even the presidency (like in 2000). It disgusts me!

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Since Mark Dayton's so great, I'm glad he crushed the Republican who ran against him in 2010 after Pawlenty's disaster. And before you claim Independence ruined it for him, Tom Horner was a Republican until 2010.

Mark Dayton is popular now. In 2010 a lot of people saw him as a sort of flake for leaving his Senate seat so soon and not doing much (TIME even labeled him one of America's worst five Senators for that reason) and weird things like that closing of his office. He only won the nomination because of a weak DFL endorsed candidate, a strong one like RT Rybak would've clearly won it. And he ran in 2010, the Tea Party wave year. When the Republicans took the MN legislature. And still won.

Also if you want to talk about the Independence Party they also likely spoiled it for Pawlenty in 2006 too, so probably not a route a Pawlenty-defender wants to go down.

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Since Mark Dayton's so great, I'm glad he crushed the Republican who ran against him in 2010 after Pawlenty's disaster. And before you claim Independence ruined it for him, Tom Horner was a Republican until 2010.

Mark Dayton is popular now. In 2010 a lot of people saw him as a sort of flake for leaving his Senate seat so soon and not doing much (TIME even labeled him one of America's worst five Senators for that reason) and weird things like that closing of his office. He only won the nomination because of a weak DFL endorsed candidate, a strong one like RT Rybak would've clearly won it. And he ran in 2010, the Tea Party wave year. When the Republicans took the MN legislature. And still won.

Also if you want to talk about the Independence Party they also likely spoiled it for Pawlenty in 2006 too, so probably not a route a Pawlenty-defender wants to go down.

In 2006, the Independence Party nominee had no prior experience. Let's say Hatch would have won in 2006, though. Okay?

Now, in 2010, with a Republican up until 2010 as the Independence Party nominee, the Republican lost by about 1%. Why did that happen if Pawlenty was so awful?

Well gee, it was 2010. In a rather inelastic state where Republicans have a fairly high floor despite a low ceiling.

Also Gary Johnson and William Weld are former Republicans but polls indicate they have a good chunk of their support from Democrats who hate both major candidates and care just looking for
A generic protest vote. It was the same thing here.

The real question is if Pawlenty was so great and beloved, why didn't Emmer run as his successor, and why didn't he campaign for Emmer or appear in any ads, instead if Emmer running as his own candidate.

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The marijuana legalization movement is basically a bunch of rebellious teenagers & irresponsible mellennials & hippie boomers who draw a false equivalency between people who want ban something that's undebatably, unequivocably bad for the public health, society, and the economy, with no upsides other than members of those groups being able to party even more, and prohibitionists who want to watched Reefer Madness and think it's reality.  They go tell the other idiots in their social group that that's the reality, everyone accepts it intentionally uncritically because hey, they're all using reefer anyway, why make any effort to think about something that will only lead to a realization that might hurt their fun, right?  In twenty years they'll all be either miserably constantly stones, dead, or regretful and trying to warn people not to follow the same path.  Those are the only three possible outcomes.  Boy what a great addition to our social fabric!  Those idiots in the early 20th century really didn't know what the hell they were doing when they banned it!

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Pretty much. RT is total bullsh**t propaganda when they cover Russia, but they're easily one of the best media outlets for covering the US (when not specifically having to do with Russia).

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Pence could put Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania to the Trump campaign. He's a soothing Midwesterner, my type of politician.

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You can't restrict free speech. You won't have a problem with it if he had spoken badly about whites.

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As you all know, I was the one of the first Cruz supporters active on Atlas, supporting Ted. I have always stood by him, but tonight he was horrible. He broke his word. I hope he doesn't run again, as he is a disgrace, but I will support him in 2018.

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Actually that Libertarian Socialist post is also f[inks]ing retarded because of the Holocaust and Oklahoma City mentions. You should never let dirks be the voice of reason.

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I was referring only to his initial reply. Obviously he reverted to his same garbage self in the later posts in that exchange.

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There's a hell of a lot of assumptions about how I think in this post (the quoted bit from me isn't an excerpt, it's the entire post FYI), not to mention lots and lots of straw:

Like what on Earth does an agnostic blowing up a federal building because of an extreme anti-government ideology have to do with Christianity?

A heck of a lot more than Islamic homophobia has to do with a repressed homosexual killing 49 people at a Florida gay club, but that didn't stop exponentially more people on this forum from connecting the two.

And Christian extremists are more often than not the ones fanning the flames of antigovernment ideology.

It's kind of bizarre that of all the ugly and disgusting things that happened in the wake of Oklahoma city "poor persecuted Christians" is the main point you took away from that.  I seem to recall brown people and other religions being hunted down like dogs until it was revealed our friendly neighborhood bomber was a white guy.  Then all of a sudden it wasn't about the color of your skin, nor your culture's dominant religion nor where your parents came from.  All of a sudden it was just about an individual.  An exception to the rule.

Brown lives matter, man.

This thing where when a white guy does something there are all kinds of excuses but when a brown or black person does something or when a Muslim person does something an entire race or religion is condemned needs to stop.  The extremist Christian culture in this country is responsible for a lot of terrible things.  And I say that as a Christian.

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Context:

Both are good.

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There really is not a party that matches European Liberal Conservatism in the US. She is not as nutty as those is the Green Party, but is far to the left of the Democrats, so I would say that she really does not fit into any party in the US.

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Sounds good. Increases the odds we may have good relations with Russia someday, which will be far more valuable than future Islamic caliphates like Germany and Sweden.

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Here's some bizarro #analysis:

primaries. I knew that it would exacerbate racial polarization. When you have Democrats nominating a black man when Democrats are already getting 90% of the black vote, and then have him be the face of the party for 8 years, it's playing with fire. This is not an attack on Obama. It's not his fault he's black, obviously. It's just a commentary on political dynamics. During the Obama years you had increasing racial polarization by party, and now it's opened up the door for someone like Trump, who has the backing and uses memes from racist groups that were once considered fringe. Prior to Obama, the GOP was diversifying... you had them start to run candidates like Michael Steele in 2006, who was a relatively high-profile candidate; and from the statistics, the share of black delegates to the GOP convention peaked in 2004.

My ideal would have been for the first minority president, particularly a black, to be a Republican. With a black as the face of conservatism for four to eight years, the racists would have been banished from the GOP, and race would have been removed as a polarizing factor in American politics, as much as it could have been. In a way, conservatism represents the American's Americanism, the heartland ideology, and if that could have been represented by someone black, it would have been even more transformational than just having a black president.

Basically what has happened is what I feared. And this goes for Clinton to, to a lesser extent. We've now had two nominees in a row in the Democrats, where the winner of the white vote in the primaries didn't get the nomination. The black bloc vote is a problem because, when you have 20% of the primary electorate going 90% for one candidate, any other candidate needs to win by landslide proportions just to stay competitive. So blacks have just enough pull to decide Democratic primaries, but the actual swing group in the Democratic party, whites, have less pull. The result is the Alabamization of America, or at least forces pushing in that direction.

That's why I'm going to strongly support the Sanders' calls post-primary for open primaries, rather than closed, in the future. That goes for all levels of government. We need more whites and other non party dedicates deciding our primaries. Those loosely attached to the party having more sway would be better in General Elections.

And in a follow up:

So you didn't support Obama in 2008 because he was black. And you think black voters should have less power in Democratic primaries. Okay. 

It's Beet so...

How does it help blacks, or any minority, for our nation's politics to be sorted so that there are two parties who differ only on race, and a 60% white majority always outvotes a 40% party composed of minorities?

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Anyone who is in any way associated with Bernie Sanders is a socialist. If you at any point supported him, you're a socialist. Anyone he supported at any time is also a socialist. Anyone related to him is a socialist, and anyone related to anyone who he supported or anyone who supported him is also a socialist. Red scare FTW!

Judging from his commentary on any "Socialist"'s primary, I'd say Wulfric is literally terrified of socialism. Like, a legit phobia that causes irrational behavior and thought.

I just know that it's a terrible ideology for this country. I'm scared that this country isn't realizing that as much as it should because a self-declared socialist got 43% of the national primary vote for the largest party in the united states, and in doing so came within striking distance of winning more states than Hillary (not counting the territories), and wasn't locked out of a majority of pledged delegates until June.

Also, the rule of "socialism by association" is thus:

Anyone who is improperly associated with Bernie Sanders is a socialist. If you at any point supported him for president, you're a socialist. Anyone he supported at any time before they won their party's nomination, and those related to such people, is also a socialist. Anyone related to him or anyone who supported him for president is also a socialist. People that were not endorsed by Sanders until they reached their respective general election are not socialists. Therefore, Hillary Clinton is not a socialist.

Wulfric, a staunch anti-socialist has a question to ask you -- do you consider Collin Peterson (noted Bernie endorser, but generally considered to be one of the most right-wing remaining Democrats in the House) to be a socialist?

Yes. He endorsed Sanders for president. Only a socialist would endorse a socialist presidential candidate.

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Glorious news! Schlafly was human garbage. The world just got a little bit better today!

at people mourning her. She was a rape supporter who literally said:

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Then again, the weirdos who are upset over her death ITT include Classic Conservative, a 12 year old who, just yesterday, called for genocide of all Muslim inhabitants of Istanbul to make room for Christians to create an "independent Christian nation" and notorious white supremacist troll Santander, so they probably agree with that quote.

Glad she's dead.

I'm not 12.

Consider the implications: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ITakeOffenseToThatLastOne

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She is a robotic, heartless, crooked career criminal who has committed crimes that are unimaginable to comprehend. Her corruption and negligence are unimaginable and everywhere that she went caused death and destruction. She wasn't able to handle classified material and jeopardized our national security in the process. This person should not be allowed to become president and needs to stay far away from ever entering the White House again. What is this woman's appeal and why should she even be elected at this point? I can understand Obama's appeal and why he got elected, but I really need a reason why people like her. (A D next to her name doesn't count.)

I also think that 2024 is the year that the Democrats will win the presidency again and make massive gains in the House and Senate. In fact, it will be a very good year for them after 8 years of Trump's presidency and the U.S. will elect its first female president. In my opinion, the country just isn't ready for a female president yet.

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Someone should write a bot that autoposts MK's posts into here.

There is no evidence linking any of these events, and I would say from what we know, there is considerable evidence that each of these events has radically different motives, thus pointing firmly towards there being no link.

Reading that and you know why liberalism is considered a mental disorder.

They will do anything to deny the obvious threat to the American public.   

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With the Whitest, most economically egalitarian states gone, the remaining US would be even poorer and Browner. It would just make more swift this nation's inevitable decline into being a third world country where the vast majority of people live in slums.

Conversely, the gigantic infusion of relatively rich people into Canada (their population would increase by about a third) would probably help Canada avoid America's fate for at least another 50 years.

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Jill is too anti-American. The Green Party have now nominated anti-American, Russia loving, terrorist apologists in McKinney and Stein.

No that post is completely correct. The Green Party is an anti-American Freedom hating tool of Putin just like Trump.

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http://youtu.be/jaqmGORkYCw

(The link is a video that was on f[inks]ing RUSSIA TODAY)

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Not surprised about Russia LOL. And many countries in Europe of course Clinton does well, as Europe is considerably to the left of the US (in fact, so much in some countries that Clinton may even be right of the center, like in the Nordic countries).