Why doesn't Eurovision ever have "melodic indie post-punk scenecore" type music?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Seriously, if I was a European I'd be kind of pissed because there'd be no way a song I liked could represent my country.

And plus I'm willing to bet that this is better than whatever gets nominated from the Netherlands, this is better than whatever gets nominated from Italy, this is better than whatever gets nominated from Germany and this is better than whatever gets nominated from Austria.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Because Eurovision incorporates an element of popular voting, it's best for a country to have a song or put on a performance that will have broad appeal.

Oh so that's why it's nothing but sappy pop ballads.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

That's some pretty "niche" music. I think, as a previous poster said, they're going for things that a lot of people enjoy.

Then again, maybe I'm just biased because I hate screamed vocals

The German song has singing.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Forecast is not in any way, shape, or form, better than Francesca Michielin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXE-aTIIG30

? This? What the f[inks] is this?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Because Eurovision incorporates an element of popular voting, it's best for a country to have a song or put on a performance that will have broad appeal.

Oh so that's why it's nothing but sappy pop ballads.

Are you kidding? There's plenty of hardcore stuff at Eurovision, it's just not the kind of hardcore that would appeal to you specifically. Some countries appear to have the sensibility, which is occasionally borne out, that the people of Europe want loud, soaring quasi-gothica. Other countries give up and send washed-up nutjobs and deliberately trashy and cynical novelty acts, or acts that put one in mind of camp falsetto Dracula or a lesbian love triangle in a girls' fantasy anime from the 1990s. (And both of those are from the same Eurovision!) And then there's the Finnish fantasy metal band that won in 2006 (which you'd hate, obviously, but it's not sappy or poppy by any stretch of the imagination). Most people who watch Eurovision watch it at least partly for the spectacle of stuff like this.

None of that is anywhere near hardcore. A point I have to make quite frequently: hardcore is an actual genre*, it's not just a description of any "hard" music...and in fact for that matter not all hardcore is that "hard" either, the softer end of it includes stuff such as this.

But all that campiness and spectacle might explain it, since one of the underlying ideas behind hardcore music being played live is the focus should be on the AUDIENCE, they are the ones who should be going wild and insane. The band is just playing and jumping around.

*A fairly oddly named one too and classic example of what TV Tropes calls an "Artifact Title", I know of no other genre that is so hostile toward masculinity and macho culture, doesn't consider it uncommon to have people crying on stage, and frequently uses sobbed vocals an actual vocal style and not some fluke.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Because Eurovision incorporates an element of popular voting, it's best for a country to have a song or put on a performance that will have broad appeal.

Oh so that's why it's nothing but sappy pop ballads.

Are you kidding? There's plenty of hardcore stuff at Eurovision, it's just not the kind of hardcore that would appeal to you specifically. Some countries appear to have the sensibility, which is occasionally borne out, that the people of Europe want loud, soaring quasi-gothica. Other countries give up and send washed-up nutjobs and deliberately trashy and cynical novelty acts, or acts that put one in mind of camp falsetto Dracula or a lesbian love triangle in a girls' fantasy anime from the 1990s. (And both of those are from the same Eurovision!) And then there's the Finnish fantasy metal band that won in 2006 (which you'd hate, obviously, but it's not sappy or poppy by any stretch of the imagination). Most people who watch Eurovision watch it at least partly for the spectacle of stuff like this.

None of that is anywhere near hardcore. A point I have to make quite frequently: hardcore is an actual genre*, it's not just a description of any "hard" music...and in fact for that matter not all hardcore is that "hard" either, the softer end of it includes stuff such as this.

Okay, well, keep in mind I'm not in the scene and am not hep to all the lingo so I was using 'hardcore' colloquially.

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Do you understand why that wouldn't work (or would require a lot of extra effort to make work) for something that most people watch on television? There's very little more frustrating than watching video footage of a live music event that doesn't focus on the stage.

Also, why the orange avatar? It's genuinely disorienting.

Perhaps he's declaring his allegiance to the Unionists?

Because it's St. Patrick's Day.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Because Eurovision incorporates an element of popular voting, it's best for a country to have a song or put on a performance that will have broad appeal.

Oh so that's why it's nothing but sappy pop ballads.

Are you kidding? There's plenty of hardcore stuff at Eurovision, it's just not the kind of hardcore that would appeal to you specifically. Some countries appear to have the sensibility, which is occasionally borne out, that the people of Europe want loud, soaring quasi-gothica. Other countries give up and send washed-up nutjobs and deliberately trashy and cynical novelty acts, or acts that put one in mind of camp falsetto Dracula or a lesbian love triangle in a girls' fantasy anime from the 1990s. (And both of those are from the same Eurovision!) And then there's the Finnish fantasy metal band that won in 2006 (which you'd hate, obviously, but it's not sappy or poppy by any stretch of the imagination). Most people who watch Eurovision watch it at least partly for the spectacle of stuff like this.

None of that is anywhere near hardcore. A point I have to make quite frequently: hardcore is an actual genre*, it's not just a description of any "hard" music...and in fact for that matter not all hardcore is that "hard" either, the softer end of it includes stuff such as this.

Okay, well, keep in mind I'm not in the scene and am not hep to all the lingo so I was using 'hardcore' colloquially.

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Do you understand why that wouldn't work (or would require a lot of extra effort to make work) for something that most people watch on television? There's very little more frustrating than watching video footage of a live music event that doesn't focus on the stage.

It's actually very doable and there are hardcore videos of such like this, although I suppose it's debatable if the Eurovision audience would react the same way this crowd is.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Also the orange avatar started some years ago because everyone was turning their avatars green on St. Patrick's Day, which I found stupid. (I'm actually genuinely surprised we didn't see an outpouring of R-CAs after Nancy Reagan died, which also would've been stupid.)

Weirdly enough a couple years ago St. Patrick's Day fell on a Sunday, and I saw a lot of people wearing green at church.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

The worst thing is I try to make a point of abstaining from alcohol on St. Patrick's Day (the one day a year I do) but a great show just happened to happen tonight, so I won't be doing that this year.

But no green beer!