The Klartext Landfill for Absurd, Ignorant, and Deplorable Posts VI

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I'm glad he was fired. You shouldn't condone violence against others for their political opinions.

(The absurdity is not the quoted post, but that it was reposted in the high quality post thread.)

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Yes, but it won't really fix the situation.  To fix the healthcare market, you would have to make it a 100% private, free market system.  That, combined with repealing the safety net entirely, would actually cure poverty, instead of putting a Band-Aid on it.  Then, everyone could just go to the doctor and pay the cost out-of-pocket (I might also ban low-deductible insurance).  But, I would vote yes on anything that would defund Planned Parenthood (even if it was something that would do harm elsewhere, not that this falls into that category).  Planned Parenthood is more evil than Hitler and Osama Bin Laden combined in terms of how many lives they have killed.

If we get rid of medicare and medicaid, then tens of millions of people will not be able to afford to get any medical treatment which is shameful for the richest country on Earth.

If only President Johnson had not started the "War on Poverty" [sic] and family values had not declined in the 1960s and 1970s, poverty was on track to be fully extinct by the early 1980s.  If we get rid of all entitlements and successfully bring back family values, I think we can eradicate poverty entirely in 10 years, meaning that no one would ever not be able to afford health care.

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I've heard states that were founded on the basis of religion (such as Israel and the United States)
I've heard of states that were founded because of Nationalist reasons (such as the German Empire)
I've heard of states that were founded on the basis of decolonization (such as India)

 A state that was founded on the basis of sexual orientation? No modern state was founded this way and I don't have good feelings about how this nation-state is going to last. Maybe the only way that this will work if the LGBTQ community starts up a stir to create their own nation-state. This would be a civil war on the eastern coast of the united states. This might be a very low chance, but if they do, this would be the first time in modern history that a county was founded on sexual orientation.

This new country would be extremely liberal and extremely tolerant society I would expect that some polygamists might come into the country. This state is very hostile to people that are heterosexual and spews propaganda against them. This country might last for about 50 years because of the very low birthrate (because you know). The low birthrate will cause this LGBTQ community to collapse.

I'm sorry if this response sounds like it belongs in another thread. I just let my imagination run wild on this one.   

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McKinney was called a conspiratorial extremist for asking very mild questions about Bush back when she was still a very mainstream figure, and was eventually shunned by everybody except the fringe for violating the post-9/11 consensus. It shouldn't be surprising she would embrace the only people who don't reject her.

She was just keeping it real, right Tara?

It's just basically psychology. People don't gravitate towards people who bash them repeatedly. That doesn't excuse her current views, but this "outrage" is really about 2002.

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Very well, I'll say it - Option 2. I've never seen an argument against this that isn't just "KNIVES ARE REALLY SCARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111"or something similar.

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Republicans are literally profiting from demolishing healthcare in the US, yet we'll yell a bit more about Russia.

Newsflash: People are concerned with keeping  their jobs than the Russia hysteria. There's people working two or three jobs who still aren't making enough, yet you'll scream about Russia till the moon falls into the damn sea. Seriously, the solution to everything is Russia, it seems. Dems lost an election? Russia. Bernie Sanders saying you need to move left or you'll keep losing? Russia sympathiser. Stub your toe getting out of bed in the morning? Russia. That's the level it's gotten to.

People are worried about their jobs. People are worried about their healthcare. People are worried about putting food on their tables. Yet, Democrats won't hammer Trump on these issues because it means giving ground to the left, so they keep screaming "RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA" every time something goes wrong. If 2018 doesn't go well for the Democrats, I guarantee that they'll blame Russia, the left, or both.

Start focusing on the damn issues already. Talk about healthcare, the minimum wage, Wall Street reform, etc. Democrats are better on those issues than Republicans are. But no, that means the left gets a foothold in the party, and we can't  have that. Gotta protect Booker and the other Third Wayers.

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Republicans are literally profiting from demolishing healthcare in the US, yet we'll yell a bit more about Russia.

Newsflash: People are concerned with keeping  their jobs than the Russia hysteria. There's people working two or three jobs who still aren't making enough, yet you'll scream about Russia till the moon falls into the damn sea. Seriously, the solution to everything is Russia, it seems. Dems lost an election? Russia. Bernie Sanders saying you need to move left or you'll keep losing? Russia sympathiser. Stub your toe getting out of bed in the morning? Russia. That's the level it's gotten to.

People are worried about their jobs. People are worried about their healthcare. People are worried about putting food on their tables. Yet, Democrats won't hammer Trump on these issues because it means giving ground to the left, so they keep screaming "RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA" every time something goes wrong. If 2018 doesn't go well for the Democrats, I guarantee that they'll blame Russia, the left, or both.

Start focusing on the damn issues already. Talk about healthcare, the minimum wage, Wall Street reform, etc. Democrats are better on those issues than Republicans are. But no, that means the left gets a foothold in the party, and we can't  have that. Gotta protect Booker and the other Third Wayers.

Sorry, did you mean to post this in the Simple Truths gallery?

OK let me break down all the stupidity in this post:

1-It was in response to a NYTimes story about officials of the Trump campaign meeting with a Kremlin-related lawyer. Not a DNC press release or statement by any Democratic politician. Thus making most of it a non-sequitur.
2-Bernie Sanders is an anti-Russia hardliner as well.
3-"The Democrats aren't attacking the Republicans on healthcare", OMG give me a f[inks]ing break.
4-It's impossible for Cory Booker to be Third Way, since he wasn't a politician when Third Way was even a thing. It's 2017, not during the Tony Blair or Bill Clinton administrations.
5-For that matter, this is what Cory Booker has said about healthcare and the minimum wage:
http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2017/05/sen_booker_rallies_for_newark_airport_workers_wage.html
https://www.booker.senate.gov/?p=issue&id=69
6-The entire premise is a logical fallacy that implies that it's impossible to both attack Trump for Russia connections and attack him on the issues that absolutely no Democrats are doing both.

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OK let me break down all the stupidity in this post:

1-It was in response to a NYTimes story about officials of the Trump campaign meeting with a Kremlin-related lawyer. Not a DNC press release or statement by any Democratic politician. Thus making most of it a non-sequitur.
2-Bernie Sanders is an anti-Russia hardliner as well.
3-"The Democrats aren't attacking the Republicans on healthcare", OMG give me a f[inks]ing break.
4-It's impossible for Cory Booker to be Third Way, since he wasn't a politician when Third Way was even a thing. It's 2017, not during the Tony Blair or Bill Clinton administrations.
5-For that matter, this is what Cory Booker has said about healthcare and the minimum wage:
http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2017/05/sen_booker_rallies_for_newark_airport_workers_wage.html
https://www.booker.senate.gov/?p=issue&id=69
6-The entire premise is a logical fallacy that implies that it's impossible to both attack Trump for Russia connections and attack him on the issues that absolutely no Democrats are doing both.

Not to start a squabble in this squabble free thread (lol), but here's my view

1) Whether it's the NYT or Dems lionizing Adam Schiff, it's a broader liberal sentiment that RussiaGate is a Top Matter Of Public Discussion That People Will Care About.

It's really not. The investigation should proceed, and the Dems should highlight the process occasionally, but what GOTFan said was true; the American people don't really care.

2) Again, not like Russiagate isn't worth discussion, or that Russia is currently a geopolitical adversary. But the tone and emphasis has been WAY out of whack wrt to what comes out of Democratic/Liberal Washington. Bernie gets that, and the level of emphasis that occurs is basically correct: issue a statement when something big happens, continue pushing procedurally, but when you're communicating with the public you're talking about issues they actually give a flip about.

3) Yeah sure. But again, as someone on the left (and as someone who likes to think he knows something about politics) the degree of emphasis placed on Russia is deeply frustrating.

4) This is an academic distinction. Yes, Third Way has become a short hand for something other than the literal DLC. Whoop-de-do. I'm so impressed that you pointed this out.

5) Again, emphasis, emphasis, emphasis. I think Booker is actually figuring this out quicker than most (much to my chagrin, he actually seems pretty smart at the inside game).

6) "logical fallacy" I don't think it's outrageous to think of public attention as zero sum. If you're spending time talking to them about one thing you're not talking to them about something else. And if the thing you're talking about is some boring, holier than thou droning about "our sacred processes are being violated! Very unfair! Treason!" then you're going to turn people off. 

1. So if the investigation should proceed, what's wrong with the NYTimes reporting on things like that? The post seemed to indicate that it shouldn't. Also polls do show people care about it, maybe not as the top priority issue, but I don't think anyone actually claimed that.

2...and that's basically what all the Democrats are doing. Seriously. The only people hammering about Russia and nothing else are kooks like Louise Mensch, and she's a right-winger anyway.

I mean go watch John Oliver, Stephen Colbert, Samantha Bee, Trevor Noah and Seth Meyers. Do they talk about and attack Trump for Russia connections a lot? Absolutely. Do they talk about domestic issue and attack the Republicans on these well? UH, ABSOLUTELY F[INKS]ING YES.

3. Once again, is this from actual Democratic leaders and liberal figures, or Louise Mensch-style kooks?

Also the post indicated the Democrats are not talking about healthcare. That. Is. Simply. Not. True. It's an objective bald-faced lie.

4. If words start getting used in such a sense, they become meaning and inane. See "Reagan Democrats". Or imagine if a more moderate Republican in Congress was referred to as a "Rockefeller Republican", you can see what I mean.

"Third Way" refers to a very specific and timely political current, it does not mean "Democrat who is more moderate on some issues than I like".

5. Cory Booker is talking about Russia more than domestic issues? Seriously?

6. Were the Republicans able to effectively both rave about "BENGHAZI!" and attack Obama's policies and agenda? I mean it's sad yeah, but it worked. As Virginia noted, these things aren't exactly separate either, the Russia stuff dogging Trump and hurting his approval and political capital is also playing a big role in dragging the Republicans' healthcare bills.

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2-Bernie Sanders is an anti-Russia hardliner as well.

So hardline that he was one of only 2 Senators to vote against this anti Russia bill.
https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=115&session=1&vote=00147

He didn't oppose the Russia sanctions in it. He voted for the amendment adding them to bill. This is his reasoning for his final vote against the bill:
https://twitter.com/gzornick/status/875414145503559682/photo/1

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Cory Booker gave a speech at an event hosted by Third Way.
https://atomicinsights.com/senator-cory-booker-d-nj-supports-nuclear-because-it-reduces-air-pollution

Supporting nuclear as a reduction in air pollution sounds pretty fine to me actually.

OK so it appears there is now a think tank literally called "Third Way". It's nowhere near as influential as the long-defunct DLC, and is not what's being referred to when most people speak of "Third Way". Anyway my point was never even to defend Booker, just point out that the argument the Democrats are talking about Russia to not talk about domestic issues to help people like him is completely false and makes no sense.

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Under Miliband, it was a lot closer. They leaned Tory, but it was far from unanimous.

Under Corbyn, expect them to vote like US African-Americans. We've been here before. We know an existential threat when we see it.

This is a good post.

Except it was debunked by an actual good post:

Under Miliband, it was a lot closer. They leaned Tory, but it was far from unanimous.

Under Corbyn, expect them to vote like US African-Americans. We've been here before. We know an existential threat when we see it.

The thing is; they quite clearly didn't.  You look at the places that have reasonably large Jewish populations (mostly in London) and although they are distinct from London in terms of the swing to Labour being quite a bit less than the London average; there was still a swing to Labour.  If there was some monolithic shift away from Labour amongst the Jewish community: the size of the community in those few seats should have caused a swing to the Tories but that did not happen.

e: Probably the big example is Hendon: 17% Jewish; Labour/Tory marginal seat (since it was recreated in 1997, its been a bellwether).  In 2017; there was a 2.7% swing from the Conservatives to Labour in the seat; which can't possibly have happened if the Jewish vote was as monolithically Conservative in 2017.  I assume that it probably swung towards the Tories; but less than the poll below suggests (from what I recall; it was taken a couple of weeks before polling day, when the overall polls swung quite strongly towards Labour).  The same thing happened in Finchley and Golders Green as well: 21.1% Jewish: bellwether since 1997: 4% swing from the Tories to Labour.  Both seats were below the London average or even what you see in other seats around (Chipping Barnet had a 6.9% swing to Labour and the Tories only just held it; that seat has never been won by Labour) and the Jewish vote most likely saved both for the Tories - but it isn't as monolithic as you suggest.

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Republicans are literally profiting from demolishing healthcare in the US, yet we'll yell a bit more about Russia.

Newsflash: People are concerned with keeping  their jobs than the Russia hysteria. There's people working two or three jobs who still aren't making enough, yet you'll scream about Russia till the moon falls into the damn sea. Seriously, the solution to everything is Russia, it seems. Dems lost an election? Russia. Bernie Sanders saying you need to move left or you'll keep losing? Russia sympathiser. Stub your toe getting out of bed in the morning? Russia. That's the level it's gotten to.

People are worried about their jobs. People are worried about their healthcare. People are worried about putting food on their tables. Yet, Democrats won't hammer Trump on these issues because it means giving ground to the left, so they keep screaming "RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA" every time something goes wrong. If 2018 doesn't go well for the Democrats, I guarantee that they'll blame Russia, the left, or both.

Start focusing on the damn issues already. Talk about healthcare, the minimum wage, Wall Street reform, etc. Democrats are better on those issues than Republicans are. But no, that means the left gets a foothold in the party, and we can't  have that. Gotta protect Booker and the other Third Wayers.

Wrong thread, should be in the Virginia Society.

Uh Virginia explained on this very page why it's a garbage post. Its also in a thread about a NYTimes article, not the Democratic Party and to say the Democrats aren't talking about healthcare...OH GIVE ME A F[INKS]ING BREAK.

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Fortunately, I have more options on my ballot than these listed in the poll. If you don't know it already, I'm going to vote for the Free Voters (Freie Wähler).

Some things I find appalling about the major German parties:
CDU/CSU: unwilling to undertake major reforms
SPD: hypocritical and uninspiring
Die Linke: have some real nutjob politicians, but the more moderate reformist types are okayish
B90/Die Grünen: out of touch with the common people, no culture of open debate within the party
FDP: big-business lobbying organization
AfD: isolation won't get us anywhere

Really? You prefer Die Linke to the FDP and the Greens? I thought you were more of a Free Voters person who, of the bigger parties, prefers FDP.

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Yeah, Germany stopped doing that in the 1940s.

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Not all of them. It's more, in my opinion, the usual divide between Christian democrats and European liberals. The former are generally considered more right-wing because they are more populist or communitarian in ideology, which generally indicates not being overly centrist.

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What's deplorable is unironically linking to this garbage.

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Is the city of Berlin very liberal like most cities, or is it a rare conservative-leaning city?

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I get why Obama was a good fit for the midwest (from Illinois and campaigned as a Berniecrat), but why was McCain a bad fit for the midwest?

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The worst understandin of how the VRA works that I've ever seen posted here. Wow.

Thank you. I'm kinda new to this and i really dont understand the state by state laws of how the VRA has to be applied exactly

The Trumpification of the courts is going to have a big impact. Wouldn't be surprising to see Neil Gorsuch toss this silly Voting Rights Act into history's dustbin.

Should be simple. Equal protection under the law means everyone should be treated the same. No special treatment for certain groups. we should have 435 American districts, not a set number of white, black, asian, hispanic seats. Just American

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No Atlasians included on mine (I made this November 2016 )
POTUS (Not me, but who ideally I'd want as Pres) Bernie Sanders
VP: Tulsi Gabbard
Sec. of Agriculture: Cyndy Coppola (non-politician: she's an independent farmer from IA who's against DAPL)
Sec. of Defense: John McCain
HUD Sec: Cornel West
Treaury Dept: Undersecretary for Terrorism and Financial Analysis: Jeb! Bush
Treasury Dept: Undersecretary for Financial Institutions: Alan Greenspan
Homeland Security: Undersecretary for Science and Technology: Stephen Hawking
Commerce Sec: Nina Turner
NASA Admin: Neil deGrasse Tyson
Energy: Undersecretary of the Environment: Jill Stein
National Park Service Director: Winona LaDuke
Sec. of the Interior: Chase Iron Eyes
EPA Admin: Al Gore
HHS Sec: RoseAnn DeMoro
Sec. of Homeland Security: Raúl Grijalva
Treasury Sec: Ralph Nader
Treasury: Undersecretary for Economic Policy: Jeffrey Sachs
U.S. Trade Representative: Jimmy Carter
SoS: Susan Sarandon
State: Undersecretary for Arms Control and International Security Affairs: Danny Glover
State: Undersecretary for Civilian Security, Democracy, and Human Rights: Rosario Dawson
State: Undersecretary for Political Affairs: Dick van Dyke
State: Undersecretary for Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor: Ajamu Baraka
State: Undersecretary for Political-Military Affairs: Chelsea Manning
State: Undersecretary for Population, Refugee, and Migration: Noam Chomsky
State: Ambassador at-Large and Coordinator for Counterterrorism: John Kasich
State: Ambassador-at-Large to Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons: Sarah Silverman
State: Ambassador-at-Large for International Religious Freedom: Danny DeVito
US Ambassador to China: Barbara Bush
US Ambassador to Germany: Susan Collins
US Ambassador to Israel: Mary Robinson
US Ambassador to Russia: Amy Goodman
US Ambassador to United Kingdom: Larry Sanders
US Ambassador to NATO: Nikki Haley
US Ambassador to UN Human Rights Council: Harry Belafonte
US Ambassador to Global Women's Issues: Cecile Richards
Advisor to the President: Edward Snowden
Education Sec: June Atkinson
Labor Sec: Robert Reich
Commissioner of Administration for Native Americans: Josh Hutcherson
Attorney General: Roy Cooper
Assistant Attorney General – Civil Rights Division: Josh Stein
Assistant Attorney General – Criminal Division: Dan Blue III
Assistant Attorney General – Tax Division: Beth Wood
Director of Office of Violence Against Women: Linda Coleman
Small Business Administration: Rand Paul
Veterans' Affairs Sec: John McNeil
Labor: Director of the Women's Bureau: Deborah Ross
SCOTUS: Larry Lessig, G.K. Butterfield, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr, Patrick Leahy, Elena Kagan, Sonia Sotomayor, Stephen Breyer, Michael Moore, Ruth Bader Ginsburg (Chief Justice)
Senate Majority/Minority Leader: Elizabeth Warren
Senate Majority/Minority Whip: Jeff Merkley
DNC Chair: Keith Ellison
Democratic Leader in the House: Donna Edwards
Democratic Whip in the House: Alma Adams
Speaker (if majority party) of the House: Peter Welch
Chair of the Progressive Caucus: Patricia Schroeder
Chair of ‘Our Revolution’: Zephyr Teachout
Very rough draft

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A Muslim who isn't super excited about the possibility of Sharia Law being enforced on them in Minneapolis.

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Man, remember when I received about ten times as much crap and everyone threw a hissy fit because in my sig I had a picture celebrating the guy who killed a personal friend of Putin's?

I mean that's SIGNIFICANTLY worse.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/08/02/trump-gop-senators-to-introduce-bill-to-slash-legal-immigration-levels/?utm_term=.c5e8e9cbfb3c

So one of the things you will not see me do is lock a thread on a topic because of personal feelings toward posts or posters. All points of view are worth hearing about and if you don't agree, you have the right to ignore them or report the comments. If you disagree and/or are a young HS/college SJW, I would point you to this wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

The RAISE Act has huge implications and merits a full on discussion that lasts longer than partisan back and forth for a few pages and real merit discussion for only a few posts.

I support this Act with some strings (per my posts in the other thread). Feel free to continue the discussion on immigration system modification here if you wish.

The First Amendment protects the right of anyone to say what they want on a private web site internet message board without having threads locked, don't you know!