Israel-Gaza war

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For making several extremely inappropriate posts cheering on indiscriminate killing of civilians, MATTROSE94 has been muted from this board from 24 hours.

That's a remarkably lenient punishment for cheering on genocide

Toughest a mod can do unilaterally. I suspect something bigger is coming soon...

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I think there is truth to the statement that the right-wing occupation disaster has weakened the defensive capabilities of the IDF. Hopefully there will be an investigation into how this travesty was allowed to occur. Cool heads must prevail.

https://twitter.com/GONENB1/status/1710568015396270226?s=20
Google translated: My father, Brigadier General Uzi Ben Yitzchak, who was the commander of the Central Command, asked me to ask why they don't tell the truth: 26 battalions, almost all of the regular IDF is in the territories. There is almost no army in the south. All this by a decision of an extreme right-wing government.

It should be said clearly.

Forces should be transferred from the West Bank to Gaza and close the fence at all costs and not let them return to Gaza

Yes why there wasn't proper defense near Gaza is going to be a very difficult question for Bibi to answer.

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https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1710730202353934338?t=vihXEXxD3-r8Z5YP64Sv7A&...

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In more relevant news (which may have already been posted here) Muslims in London and Berlin have publicly celebrated the terrorist attacks. Videos show processions of honking vehicles in London and sweets being handed out in Berlin.

DSA-NY is planning a rally celebrating the attack in New York tomorrow as well.

within 72 hours these same people will be calling Israel racist for not agreeing to an immediate cease fire, ya know, 'cause they only want peace

The best thing about these type of people is they always end up in infighting. Like those Putin simps bickering right now on formerly known as Twitter. Turns out the Grayzone is being torn apart via embezzlement and hijacking of its social media accounts by a disgruntled fired employee. Wonderful!

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Israel is specifically telling people where to go to avoid bombings.

Citation needed, because I only see calls to leave one's building or Gaza entirely (from Netanyahu).

False. There are maps asking the residents of perimeter neighbourhoods to move to the inner city.

I'm still waiting for a source.

Funny, I've been waiting for a source for months on who's putting pressure on Biden to pardon Trump.

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How likely is a unity government at this point? German news reported earlier that Gantz and Lapid offered a national unity cabinet with Bibi as long as the far-right parties leave. I guess that would be a good solution and also sink the justice reform.

I'm guessing we get a unity government and then when the dust settles Netanyahu's retirement. There is absolutely no reason he should be able to survive this.

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https://twitter.com/EdKrassen/status/1711402908384743617?t=I2CSVlkQQn1_zbizXJeMT...

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The Church of Saint Porphyrius, one of the oldest in the world, has been destroyed in an airstrike.

Haven't been able to verify this — have only seen posts from Jackson Hinkle and "Christian Mario." At least one source on the ground says it's not true:

https://twitter.com/khaliljeries/status/1711442249681080778

Thankfully the church has confirmed this news is false (see their latest post). If Jackson Hinkle posts something you can always assume the opposite is true anyway.

Thanks for the correction, sorry for the fake news guys.

Was Jackson Hinkle actually your source?

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https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1711442486311223515
Is this some sort of elaborate suicide by cop?

Russia attacking Hamas would be great!

Whoever loses, we (and Ukraine) win!

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Thankfully the church has confirmed this news is false (see their latest post). If Jackson Hinkle posts something you can always assume the opposite is true anyway.

Thanks for the correction, sorry for the fake news guys.

Was Jackson Hinkle actually your source?

I don't think that's a fair question and I wasn't implying Crabcake got news from Hinkle (though, rare credit to him, he actually seems to have deleted his tweet saying the church was destroyed). It got picked up by a wide range of accounts — Partisangirl, a guy from Mint Press News, this Saudi guy, this Lebanese account, and a couple Palestinian sources, as well as Hinkle, a bunch of trad/statue accounts, and that QAnon lady who ran for Senate in Delaware. It's the sort of rumor that draws an immediate visceral reaction from many different communities and so spreads very quickly through a bunch of sources.

Yeah, none of those sound like trustworthy sources either. I guess just a lesson here as noted by crabcake about the "Elonification", and something I remind people of regularly (such as when red avatars post similar fake news or exaggerated agitprop from such accounts on USGD.)

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https://twitter.com/EdKrassen/status/1711466547435143655

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Fighting a successful war and changing political leadership isn't always incompatible. I will just point out the famous example of the UK in 1940-Winston Churchill became Prime Minister literally on the day that Nazi Germany invaded four countries including France.

Or Winston Churchill getting booted from power after WWII

Was this the mindset of voters in Britain in 1945 towards Winston Churchill right before he lost his bid for another term as Prime Minister?

'Thank you for your service to the defense of Britain and its empire.  You have served your purpose.  You may go now.'

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Why don't people ever fix those long stretching links when posting them especially since the ending parts aren't even necessary?

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If Israel had known about the attack, their only option would have been to strike first and who would have believed them?

Golda Meir concluded in 1973 that a second pre-emptive strike wasn't the best option.

No, their best option would be to up security and deploy IDF near Gaza, as opposed to the almost no security that actually existed.

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the atrocities they have spoken about today are absolutely inhuman, just like when Saddam's goons were pulling babies out of incubators, it looks like it's a good time for a Coalition of the Willing

Dude, please do not make that analogy, that was proven to be incorrect and the analogy actually just weakens your point (in fact it's exactly the sort of thing the Hamas apologists will make as "proof" all claims of atrocities are incorrect.)

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Why doesn't mossad launch an operation eichmann style raid to grab the hamas top brass in qatar? Seems kind of ridiculous that gaza is being obliterated ostensibly to wipe hamas out while these fat corrupt creeps live in luxury?

I'm sure that plans for that are being drawn up right now. Prior to this they probably just weren't a big priority as Israel wasn't concerned with Gaza anymore.

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LOL

https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1711841607379460470?t=0oLV1D79cAuOlrGER1LuXw&...

Interesting job to get canceled from over this.

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Can we not repost every rumour and hearsay from Twitter here? Twitter has ceased to be a reliable platform for breaking news. The last three "news" about Dimona, gliders and the US embassy has been debunked. Verify everything you see before posting.

I agree with everything in this post except "ceased" as that implies it was ever one in the first place.

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Yep, Biden said in his speech that he saw pictures of terrorists beheading children.

There's no coming back from that. I don't know how Israel lets Hamas survive this war.

Because Israel can never actually eliminate Hamas, it’s a terrorist organization. What they’re about to do will only strengthen them. There is no good answer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_Tigers_of_Tamil_Eelam

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So the beheading babies story turned out to be true, despite some very deranged people online pretending it was not.

Ah, but you see, 40 babies were killed, and some of those were beheaded, but the tweets saying "40 babies were beheaded" ended up proven totally wrong! Fake news! Atrocity propaganda!

_{/s for the stupid here}

This is akin to when some Grayzone clowns were basically arguing "The Tiananmen Square massacre is a big hoax. The Chinese military never massacred protesters in Tiananmen Square." They massacred protesters in a different location less than a mile away from Tiananmen Square so it was all a big lie, haha checkmate neoliberals."

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https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1712495666931380594
(Note: despite the tweet, there is no single "opposition party". Lapid is considered leader of the opposition, and his Yesh Atid party is one of numerous parties in the opposition)

This is obviously so he can remain completely unconnected to Netanyahu and be in a great position to replace him if we assume there's no way he can survive this, so probably a good move.

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The deliberate killing of children and infants is horrible in any context, of course.

If you ever find yourself in a situation where you are compelled to say this explicitly, it might be a good time to reevaluate some things.

"Why aren't you condemning Hamas's war crimes?"
"I condemn Hamas's war crimes."
"Why did you feel the need to condemn Hamas's war crimes?"

"Why aren't you condemning Hamas's war crimes?"

”There’s no evidence war crimes were committed. ‘They’ have been known to lie about crimes committed against them before.”

One day later

”See, the sources are walking it back. ‘They’ clearly made it all up!”

One day later

”Even the President of the United States is lying about seeing photos of the victims. It’s a massive conspiracy, obviously.”

Photos of the victims are made public

”I condemn [generic description of war crimes]…
How dare you question my condemnation of [generic description of war crimes]?"

Yes, that's called healthy skepticism that can be moved one way or another in light of hard evidence (and yes, the claims were walked back by both the IDF and the White House at different times). It's now clear that a Hamas attack on Kfar Aza deliberately murdered children and infants, despite the details previously being fuzzy.  

Every single one of you would have bought WMDs in Iraq hook, line, and sinker. Some of you would have been among the Good Liberals who called for glassing the entire Middle East, I'm sure.

Except I didn't and I actually did oppose the Iraq War.

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Israel and the United States should both be sanctioned for ethnic cleansing.

We are trying to have a real discussion in here. Not everything is all about America. Please f**k off.

IT'S. SNOWLABRADOR.

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OK I do dump on Catholic hierarchy all the time, but definite credit where it's due here:

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1713962466445504790

Hamas will never accept the offer of course.

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I must say that I'm very pleased I did not ever comment on the "hospital bombing" because it seems like every person who did just ended up looking like a fool.

And as far as the media's negligence in that goes...yikes.