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« on: October 05, 2008, 12:29:19 PM »

Yes. I'm surprised fundies haven't gone crazy over this movie.
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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2008, 08:38:55 PM »

That might just be the dumbest thing you've ever posted BRTD.

From you I'll take that as a compliment.

Seriously people stop and think what the whole message of this movie is.
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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2008, 03:07:23 PM »


The movie implies that Vince and Jules were saved and given a second chance by God. Jules takes it as a sign to turn his life around and redeem himself like what he does at the diner. Vince doesn't, and then he pays the penalty for it. Butch's story also has a theme of redemption of forgiveness.
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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2008, 04:59:58 PM »


The movie implies that Vince and Jules were saved and given a second chance by God. Jules takes it as a sign to turn his life around and redeem himself like what he does at the diner. Vince doesn't, and then he pays the penalty for it. Butch's story also has a theme of redemption of forgiveness.

It also had this scene. If you believe this was a Christian propaganda piece then you're reading way too much into it. Sure, you might get a bit of a religious message out of it, but the message isn't blatant enough to be considered propaganda.

How is that scene related to religion in any way?
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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2008, 01:13:36 AM »

Propaganda implies somebody intentionally trying to influence others, who do you think was creating this propaganda?  Tarentino?  Roger Avary?  Propaganda by accident isn't, by definition, propaganda.

Tell that to Gully, Gustaf and anyone else accusing 300 of being fascist propaganda.
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« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2008, 01:47:55 AM »
« Edited: December 26, 2008, 01:50:24 AM by The Tension Between Stillness and Motion »

Interesting how over 30% agree with "the dumbest thing I've ever posted"...

Next time I see it I'll be on the look out for this. The whole Vince and Jules choosing different paths is definitely an overarching theme of the story, however to call it explicitly Christian may be overreaching.

Dude, Jules quotes the Bible and then tells the robbers that he will spare them and let them live (and he even gives them all of his money, basically "turning the other cheek") as his first act of redemption. That sounds pretty explicitly Christian to me.
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« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2008, 06:04:47 PM »

But for it to be a propaganda piece instead of simply borrowing for a biblical theme or two in its mayem, it would have to make you want to be a Christian.

The movie doesn't do that.

The Matrix movies have extreme biblical undertones, but they're not propaganda for Christianity.

Hell, Steven Colbert's Christmas Special has lots of Biblical and Judaic undertones as well.

Pulp Fiction does a way better job of this than any crap like Veggietales or The 700 Club or other stuff that people DO cite as "Christian propaganda". That stuff makes me embarrassed to be a Christian.

I don't think a film where a character changes his life in a positive way qualifies as propaganda.

The reason he decides to change his life is because he believes God has given him a second chance.
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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2019, 10:07:34 PM »

I watched this again recently. It was a spiritual experience.
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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2019, 05:38:56 PM »

Why not, as the Bible and Quentin Tarantino have similar values. Both the "holy book" and his films denigrated women, gay people, and people of color. They also employed gruesome violence to get "moral justice." Both are sources of reactionary resentment against progressivism and Enlightenment  thinking in America.  They are mirrors of each other aesthetics.

You're not obligated to like Tarantino or his movies--he's a pretty obvious creep, and some of that does come through in the films, especially the execrable Hateful Eight--but are you familiar with his work, or are you assessing it sight unseen on Atheist Helen Lovejoy-type grounds?
I think you missed the point of The Hateful Eight.
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
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E: -6.50, S: -6.67

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« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2019, 12:26:01 AM »

Why not, as the Bible and Quentin Tarantino have similar values. Both the "holy book" and his films denigrated women, gay people, and people of color. They also employed gruesome violence to get "moral justice." Both are sources of reactionary resentment against progressivism and Enlightenment  thinking in America.  They are mirrors of each other aesthetics.

You're not obligated to like Tarantino or his movies--he's a pretty obvious creep, and some of that does come through in the films, especially the execrable Hateful Eight--but are you familiar with his work, or are you assessing it sight unseen on Atheist Helen Lovejoy-type grounds?
I think you missed the point of The Hateful Eight.

To be clear, I think The Hateful Eight is a misogynistic movie, not a racist one.
It's not a movie of clear cut heroes whom every action is to he applauded. Hence the title.
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
Atlas Prophet
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Posts: 113,512
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

P P
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2019, 01:11:58 AM »

Why not, as the Bible and Quentin Tarantino have similar values. Both the "holy book" and his films denigrated women, gay people, and people of color. They also employed gruesome violence to get "moral justice." Both are sources of reactionary resentment against progressivism and Enlightenment  thinking in America.  They are mirrors of each other aesthetics.

You're not obligated to like Tarantino or his movies--he's a pretty obvious creep, and some of that does come through in the films, especially the execrable Hateful Eight--but are you familiar with his work, or are you assessing it sight unseen on Atheist Helen Lovejoy-type grounds?
I think you missed the point of The Hateful Eight.

To be clear, I think The Hateful Eight is a misogynistic movie, not a racist one.
It's not a movie of clear cut heroes whom every action is to he applauded. Hence the title.

I know that. Please don't talk down to me.
I wasn't trying to.
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