Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign megathread

[TarHeelDem]

I did not support him in 2016 and my opinion of him as a leader has only deteriorated since.  He did an absolutely terrible job uniting his supporters behind Clinton, his record on gun control and Russia is abysmal, he clearly doesn't understand racism and misogyny, his ego is the size of Mars, and I believe it's incredibly disingenuous of him to ask to represent the Democratic Party when he hasn't even put in his time as a member like every other person in the field.

I'll vote and even organize for him (as I would any other Democratic nominee) if he's chosen, but as far as the primary goes he's in the bottom of the barrel with Gabbard for me. I'm especially interested in Warren, Castro, and Buttigieg, but please give me literally anyone else besides Saint Bernard or Ethnonationalist Tulsi.

[TarHeelDem]

I did not support him in 2016 and my opinion of him as a leader has only deteriorated since.  He did an absolutely terrible job uniting his supporters behind Clinton, his record on gun control and Russia is abysmal, he clearly doesn't understand racism and misogyny, his ego is the size of Mars, and I believe it's incredibly disingenuous of him to ask to represent the Democratic Party when he hasn't even put in his time as a member like every other person in the field.

I'll vote and even organize for him (as I would any other Democratic nominee) if he's chosen, but as far as the primary goes he's in the bottom of the barrel with Gabbard for me. I'm especially interested in Warren, Castro, and Buttigieg, but please give me literally anyone else besides Saint Bernard or Ethnonationalist Tulsi.

Is that what Peter Daou and Neera Tanden told you to do?

I'm very much a freethinker, thanks, now **** off.

[TarHeelDem]

Sanders' base went to Clinton 91-9, which is the best retention rate since 2000.

Seriously, Ive made this same comment about 3 times on this thread. Its simply not true.

I'm assuming from the 100% total there that the 91%-9% figure is between Clinton and Trump only and does not include Stein, Johnson, write-in votes, and abstentions.

[TarHeelDem]

While only 78% of Sanders primary voters voting for Clinton in the general is alarming enough, one also has to consider how his behavior and characterization of her supported the decision of Indies (many of whom did not participate in the Dem primary) and moderate GOPers to hold their noses and vote for Trump or stay home altogether. Examining Sanders primary voters alone tells part of the story of his leadership but not a full one.

[TarHeelDem]

Sanders' base went to Clinton 91-9, which is the best retention rate since 2000.

Seriously, Ive made this same comment about 3 times on this thread. Its simply not true.

I'm assuming from the 100% total there that the 91%-9% figure is between Clinton and Trump only and does not include Stein, Johnson, write-in votes, and abstentions.

You are right, found the Stein/Johnson numbers

If we are to talk about abstentions, the percentage is 4%. So, out of the 100% of Sanders voters, 4% stayed home, 12% voted for Trump, 78% voted for Clinton, and 6% for a 3rd party.

 This puts Sanders voters below 2012 GOP voters, but above GOP 2016, 2008, 2000, and DEM 2008, 2004, and 2000.

So, still not really that much.

Wait, how did you go from 91%/9% to 78% Clinton / 12% Trump / 10% 3rd party or didn't vote?  What does the 91/9 represent?

Also, a later tweet in that thread:

https://twitter.com/aaron_strauss/status/900361632747896834

shows that 78% is lower than the comparable number for GOP 2008.  I don't know how it compares to the others without tracking down whatever original source this guy was quoting.

I was using a different source for the original numbers, one that didnt include abstains and 3rd parties, so just disregard the original.

Also, havent seen this source for 2008 GOP, very interesting. That would mean the GOP has generally been more united after a primary than the Dems(makes a lot of sense saying it out loud).

And Sanders should have been aware of this. Instead of actively working against the trend he reinforced it.

[TarHeelDem]

My personal feelings aside, I just don't see how Sanders wins the nomination. He's burned too many bridges with the party and its voters. I've worked as a campaign staffer in a variety of settings and the disdain I've encountered for him (across demographics, but among older women in particular) has certainly been striking. Add that to the fact that a portion of his 2016 coalition seems to have moved on and he's got a very uphill climb ahead of him.

[TarHeelDem]

Looking forward to seeing him drop out after losing both Iowa and New Hampshire.

[TarHeelDem]

Given his age, other factors, and the high number of opponents he's running against (as opposed to just Hillary and in the beginning O'Malley in 2016) what are the chances that Bernie's campaign is gonna simply implode and fizzle out this time?

More than 50%. He'll be out after New Hampshire.

[TarHeelDem]

I keep on having this sinking feeling that 2020 will be a repeat of 2016. Close primary between the neoliberal establishment and the progressive wing and then a Trump victory.
Ugh, Bernie...why

Because it's not about us. It's about him.

[TarHeelDem]

I keep on having this sinking feeling that 2020 will be a repeat of 2016. Close primary between the neoliberal establishment and the progressive wing and then a Trump victory.
Ugh, Bernie...why

Because it's not about us. It's about him.

Yes, how dare he stand in the path of the Anointed One.

Who are you referring to?

[TarHeelDem]

That feeling when Bernie is going to be President and there's nothing shitlibs and the alt-right can do about it.

Messages like this are exactly why he's going to lose (again). Keep it up.

[TarHeelDem]

The rape thing is taken out of context and you and the other neolibs who use it know that.

On the other hand, the poor/white quote is the #1 reason I don't want Sanders to be the nominee, Trump will absolutely use that in campaign ads and if it's possible for any one thing to cost someone an election that will be it.

Just want to clarify that opposing/criticizing Sanders doesn't automatically make someone a neoliberal. Progressivism is bigger than him.

[TarHeelDem]

Today Bernie filed for re-election...in 2024 as an Independent.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/bernie-sanders-files-fo-2024-re-election-to-senate

He also had a pretty rough time on a black radio show, stumbled a lot on reparations questions and other things.


https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1102610356424400896

Omg we've already reached peak Bern