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IceSpear
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« on: December 04, 2018, 05:44:04 PM »

Smiley #Populist Purple heart Beshear will win dozens of rural Appalachian counties again if nominee! Smiley
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IceSpear
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« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2018, 05:58:43 PM »

Smiley #Populist Purple heart Beshear will win dozens of rural Appalachian counties again if nominee! Smiley
Ice what's your bet on elliot? I'm going Tilt r unless Adkins is the nominee then I think its lean d.
Previously I would have said likely but the manchin btfo in the coal counties made me change my mind.

My "bold" prediction is that Beshear wins only three counties: Jefferson, Fayette, and Franklin. Maybe if he's lucky he'll win them by a large enough margin to not get BTFO statewide too badly, but I wouldn't count on it. Atlas will be dismayed because clearly he was supposed to sweep Appalachia just like Appalachian Heroes Mark Warner, Ted Strickland, Jack Conway, Richard Ojeda, Phil Bredesen, Amy McGrath, Alison Lundergan Grimes, Sherrod Brown, Joe Manchin, etc. #ILearnedNothingFrom2016Or2018
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IceSpear
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« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2018, 08:33:40 PM »

Here is 2011 KY Gov.



Here is 2015.



And here is my model for a narrow Democratic win in 2019.


They won't win with rural voters. To be sure, beating Clinton in coal country is part of the path to victory, but several coal counties still flip to Bevin. Where they beat him is in the 3rd, 4th and 6th districts, in the comparatively wealthy and well-educated districts.

This map depicts a 48.54%-48.27% Democratic win.

CD Results are
KY-01: 38.05%-59.03%
KY-02: 45.30%-51.60%
KY-03: 65.66%-31.39%
KY-04: 51.13%-45.32%

KY-05: 29.44%-67.20%
KY-06: 57.66%-38.24%

Interesting map, but considering Amy McGrath couldn't even carry KY-06 in a D+9 environment, I don't see how Beshear even wins it by 10, let alone 20.
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IceSpear
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Posts: 31,840
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E: -6.19, S: -6.43

« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2018, 08:40:46 PM »

Here is 2011 KY Gov.



Here is 2015.



And here is my model for a narrow Democratic win in 2019.


They won't win with rural voters. To be sure, beating Clinton in coal country is part of the path to victory, but several coal counties still flip to Bevin. Where they beat him is in the 3rd, 4th and 6th districts, in the comparatively wealthy and well-educated districts.

This map depicts a 48.54%-48.27% Democratic win.

CD Results are
KY-01: 38.05%-59.03%
KY-02: 45.30%-51.60%
KY-03: 65.66%-31.39%
KY-04: 51.13%-45.32%

KY-05: 29.44%-67.20%
KY-06: 57.66%-38.24%

Interesting maps, but considering Amy McGrath couldn't even carry KY-06 in a D+9 environment, I don't see how Beshear even wins it by 10, let alone 20.

eh I can see it.
Look at Ok 5th and Kendra Horns and Edmonsons margins
I think Matt bevin is pretty weak but this race is Safe R still
However the less rural hick counties like Ky 6th which has a decent chance to trend D in 2020 might against him by large margins.

Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me at all if he carried KY-06, just that outperforming McGrath by 20+ points sounds like a major stretch.
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IceSpear
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Posts: 31,840
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Political Matrix
E: -6.19, S: -6.43

« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2018, 08:43:36 PM »

Here is 2011 KY Gov.



Here is 2015.



And here is my model for a narrow Democratic win in 2019.


They won't win with rural voters. To be sure, beating Clinton in coal country is part of the path to victory, but several coal counties still flip to Bevin. Where they beat him is in the 3rd, 4th and 6th districts, in the comparatively wealthy and well-educated districts.

This map depicts a 48.54%-48.27% Democratic win.

CD Results are
KY-01: 38.05%-59.03%
KY-02: 45.30%-51.60%
KY-03: 65.66%-31.39%
KY-04: 51.13%-45.32%

KY-05: 29.44%-67.20%
KY-06: 57.66%-38.24%

Interesting map, but considering Amy McGrath couldn't even carry KY-06 in a D+9 environment, I don't see how Beshear even wins it by 10, let alone 20.
It's tough to see it going Democratic by 20, yeah. However, I'd say that Democrats need to win it by that much to win Kentucky.

Indeed, which is why I see it as totally unwinnable. Outperforming Conway and keeping it within single digits I could see if everything goes right for Beshear, but winning just seems to be a bridge too far.
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