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AggregateDemand
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« on: November 05, 2014, 01:33:18 AM »

Many bipartisan bills are sitting around, like Keystone XL, tax reform (Baucus' baby), Social Security and Medicare reform (Simpson Bowles), and bipartisan Obamacare reform (eliminating medical device tax). Those bills will finally make it to the oval office.
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AggregateDemand
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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2014, 08:51:16 AM »

I'm not sure, but I will say that the absolute guaranteed cakewalk victory for Hillary is far much less of a certainty after last night, which was pretty much a condemnation of "New Democrat" politics.

This should be as much of a condemnation of the pro-Wall Street politics of the party establishment as 1894 was.

What are you talking about? ACA is Great Society all over again. Taxes and regulatory burden for people who work. Subsidies and anti-employment for the jobless. Tired old min wage wars are also Great Society.

Obama wanted to move the country to the left of the Great Society, but he crashed and burned in LBJ's boneyard because that's the platform to which old-white-racist-leftists (Reid/Pelosi) subscribe. Poor Democrats don't get to be independent and employed. They get handouts and declining labor force participation.
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AggregateDemand
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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2014, 02:08:00 PM »

Obviously I am referring to the people who did not show up, not the people who did.

If you offer the same shit as the other party rewrapped in a pretty package the consumer will eventually realize that it is horseshit.  Twenty some odd years of pursuing the most moderate hero course and what has it gotten the Democrats?

Jack.  Freaking.  Shit.

It's time the party stop acting like it's 1980

The Republican Party will move away from 1980, when Democrats finally move away from the 1930s and 1960s.

The Democratic Party embraces a platform of clinging to 1960s entitlement programs designed to make segregationist Democrats marketable amongst minorities in the South. The Great Society is a disgraceful Machiavellian political strategy, and the country will never progress until Dems drop it for good, rather than doubling down as this president has done (perhaps inadvertently).

Obama put his faith in Reid and Pelosi, two of the oldest LBJ Democrats in Washington DC. What did he think was going to happen? Reid and Pelosi are geriatrics who pay minorities not to participate in the American experience. This outcome was inevitable, and we've thrown away six years and $7T to find out that these Democratic clowns have nothing to offer.

Democratic voters have finally realized that ACA means you lose your full-time job and you still don't have healthcare because Democrats are never going to abandon Medicaid/Medicare, which is hilarious because those programs are now so full of pork that most of the recipients are solidly middle-class Republicans.

I'd like to think this election will move Dems into the 21st century, but I think we all know they are waiting on demographic changes to make race-baiting sexy again.
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AggregateDemand
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2014, 07:27:18 PM »

Aggregate, I think you're a smart guy.  But your continuous characterizations of the ACA as a Great Society plan is just repetition of partisan-manufactured nonsense.

A majority of the spending in ACA is Medicaid expansion so the bill is quite literally more Great Society. Furthermore, comparing the structure of the 1993 Republican bill with 2010 ACA, while ignoring the details regarding the standard insurance policies, is just a lazy attempt to make moderate Republicans glom on to the ACA.

The requirements of standard insurance products and ownership of the exchanges ARE the bill because insurance socializes costs, and the detailed provisions ultimately decide how much money will be transferred between various demographics. The product and services also affect the real impact of the Medicare cuts (reduction in cost growth).

Republicans have different ideas about what qualifies as basic insurance, and how costs should be socialized. The devil is in the details.
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