Pete Buttigieg 2020 campaign megathread

[Saint Milei]

https://twitter.com/marcushjohnson/status/1137232572373786624


Bad tactics, man. Buttigieg is so color blind that he doesn't see the inherent racism of this stunt.

A white guy drinking beer with black guys is racist?

Okay 1960s George Wallace.

You can't be serious right now

[Saint Milei]

https://twitter.com/marcushjohnson/status/1137232572373786624


Bad tactics, man. Buttigieg is so color blind that he doesn't see the inherent racism of this stunt.

A white guy drinking beer with black guys is racist?

Okay 1960s George Wallace.

You can't be serious right now

Explain how it's racist?

Perpetuates the stereotype of black people drinking on 40s in the hood.

[Saint Milei]

Such an absurd controversy he was literally doing what the hosts wanted him to do. Why are people acting like this was his idea?

He needs to be more racially conscious. I get the hosts told him to do that but it was a stupid move

[Saint Milei]

https://twitter.com/marcushjohnson/status/1137232572373786624


Bad tactics, man. Buttigieg is so color blind that he doesn't see the inherent racism of this stunt.

A white guy drinking beer with black guys is racist?

Okay 1960s George Wallace.

You can't be serious right now

Explain how it's racist?

Perpetuates the stereotype of black people drinking on 40s in the hood.

Pretty sure that's not a stereotype that actually exists

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[Saint Milei]

https://twitter.com/marcushjohnson/status/1137232572373786624


Bad tactics, man. Buttigieg is so color blind that he doesn't see the inherent racism of this stunt.

A white guy drinking beer with black guys is racist?

Okay 1960s George Wallace.

You can't be serious right now

Explain how it's racist?

Perpetuates the stereotype of black people drinking on 40s in the hood.

That's an amazingly specific stereotype that I've never heard of. I imagine you would have to be considerably old to be aware of it, if it even exists.

Lol im black and under 30 years old. How have you never heard this? Surely the black guy who tweeted this out doesn't think it's amazingly specific.

[Saint Milei]

https://twitter.com/marcushjohnson/status/1137232572373786624


Bad tactics, man. Buttigieg is so color blind that he doesn't see the inherent racism of this stunt.

A white guy drinking beer with black guys is racist?

Okay 1960s George Wallace.

You can't be serious right now

Explain how it's racist?

Perpetuates the stereotype of black people drinking on 40s in the hood.

That's an amazingly specific stereotype that I've never heard of. I imagine you would have to be considerably old to be aware of it, if it even exists.

Lol im black and under 30 years old. How have you never heard this? Surely the black guy who tweeted this out doesn't think it's amazingly specific.

It's certainly not a thing in Puerto Rico, and it's not something I've seen in media or experienced in conversations or in any social circles in the mainland all my life.

I guess I'm fortunate enough to not have been exposed to all this hyper-racialized crap.

Puerto Rico isn't like the U.S. I guess because you are from Wisconsin (only assuming), you haven't seen it. But it definitely is a thing.

[Saint Milei]

Amazing this isn't a moderatable offense. I can't be the only one who reported something so egregious.

You're not alone.

Not sour at all and I don't get how a frat ritual is offensive? Its a silly nickname for someone who has done a disservice to the african american community and is only doing "well" because he is being propped up in the media. I don't get democrats. They make fun of Republicans for putting up generic white males but are infatuated of a generic white male  

Gonna assume they thought the butt part referred to something rhyming with banal which in turn was supposed to be homophobic.

[Saint Milei]

Amazing this isn't a moderatable offense. I can't be the only one who reported something so egregious.

You're not alone.

Not sour at all and I don't get how a frat ritual is offensive? Its a silly nickname for someone who has done a disservice to the african american community and is only doing "well" because he is being propped up in the media. I don't get democrats. They make fun of Republicans for putting up generic white males but are infatuated of a generic white male  

Gonna assume they thought the butt part referred to something rhyming with banal which in turn was supposed to be homophobic.

I like how the Liberals ignore the fact that his polices hurt the African-American community in South Bend but call me out for the silly nickname. I really could care less about his sexuality. If you are hurting communities of people and you continue to portray your self as a "progressive" and sleep well knowing you forced out African-Americans then I am going to refer to that candidate to a silly nickname.

they didnt realize him drinking 40s with black people isn't a good look either. Liberals aren't in touch with african americans the way they suggest

[Saint Milei]

Damn pete

[Saint Milei]

Good grief. Buttigieg's only mistake here was attempting to speak with people who only wanted to shout at him.

The worst part is that nothing he has said or done has been out of step politically, socially, or legally. He's just in a bad spot as someone who happens to be running for President so it seems like he's only doing this for the photo op. Which sucks, but it's important to understand why this moment is so important for his campaign: he is dealing directly with one of the most difficult issues for a politician to face: race relations. His statements and policy proposals from here on will show what he learned from this. I just fear that the clip of the protesters yelling at him will become an attack ad saying he doesn't represent black interests.

He's not ready because he doesn't care enough about it

[Saint Milei]

Of course the media isnt covering it. It would make pete look bad

[Saint Milei]

Beto has a chance to comeback simply because Pete is a moron

[Saint Milei]

Also, the meme that Pete is somehow racist or condones racism is dead and completely false. Pete released a comprehensive policy proposal to invest in black communities, black-owned businesses, and cut incarceration rates.

From his website:

Freedom means racial justice, and reversing the damage of past and present racism to our communities, policies, and politics.

Create a commission to propose reparations policies for Black Americans and close the racial wealth gap.

Black Americans were enslaved and then systematically excluded from full citizenship through laws and policies that purposely relegated Black Americans into second-class personhood and that sanctioned racial discrimination. The effects are ongoing, and exclusionary policies linger. America must enter a new era that promotes political, economic, social, and racial equity in part by specifically reversing the harms of racist policies and practices.
 
Only by remedying the vestiges of slavery and confronting our nation’s shameful history of racism can we move to a place where full freedom is attainable for Black communities.

ADDITIONAL POLICIES

Invest in entrepreneurship and home ownership
Eliminate health disparities, including in maternal and infant health
Defend affirmative action and combat the opportunity gap
Protect and expand voting rights
Support self-determination of Indigenous populations
Redress inequality in our criminal justice system
Dismantle the prison-industrial complex to end the crisis of mass incarceration

That's what someone would do to avoid backlash for actually being a racist

[Saint Milei]

https://twitter.com/mcelarier/status/1145729236260597760?s=21

a source tells me this is, at best, a misrepresentation and, at worst, utterly fabricated

You seriously expect us to believe he was able to raise $25 million in the span of three months through small donors while polling 5% nationally? Alright.

No, but the whole “he’s selling his soul to the billionaire class because he’s not a real progressive” is stupid. Why would these billionaires invest in a candidate with 0 connection to Washington, Wall St., or even state government? You do that for a candidate like Booker or Beto who already has a history of exchanging favors for donations. I’m not saying it’s *good* that Pete is taking money from billionaires, but i’m also not saying it’s part of a sinister plot to be a center-right Democratic President even after he’s named climate change, racial justice, and job automation as his biggest concerns of the campaign.

Edits below because I typed this response immediately after waking up so not all my thoughts were in order:

1. When I said "a source tells me", I was mocking the tweet posted. Of course I don't have any sources.

2. Pete raising money is critical to him building a national profile. While some look at this and say "oh he's taking money from billionaires but he's only polling at 4%? Lolz." we have to step back and remember that, just 6 months ago, he was considered an obscure candidate with 0 chance of surviving the year. To go from that to polling at ~4-6% nationwide against a former Vice President, several US Senators, Governors, and Congresspeople is impressive and definitely stems from his ability to raise money.

3. Outraising Biden and Bernie, the two clear-cut frontrunners, whilst maintaining an average donation of roughly $50 (from 294,000 donors, no less) does not indicate that he's getting heaps and heaps of money from billionaires, but rather a handful of donations with support mixed in from the "grassroots".

3b. You may say "well, Bernie had 3 times as many donors as Pete and raised less money because he doesn't accept money from billionaires" but Bernie has a national profile and ran pretty much the same exact campaign for President 4 years ago, so he doesn't need to establish or re-establish anything, he's getting money from the same donors this time around. Pete does not have that luxury.

4. Calling Pete a "centrist" or "basically a Republican" is hilarious and wrong and a smear designed to keep in-fighting up so Trump can just re-hash the same arguments during the general election campaign. No doubt the Kamala Harris supporters among you are totally cool with the "Kamala is a cop" meme, and I'm sure the Bernie supporters are happy with his reputation as a sell-out who's only using the Democratic Party as his own political springboard, and the Beto supporters love the fact that he...-checks notes-...can ride a skateboard and speak Spanish and told his wife that a baby turd was an avocado...so the personal attacks are lame. Policy critiques are valid and good for the party, but dying on a hill labelled "Pete doesn't care about black people" helps nobody.

5. Thank you if you read this far without closing the page in disgust, I am going to drink coffee and cry that Kawhi Leonard signed with the Clippers now

He is a sellout though.

[Saint Milei]

Hey deadprez I really appreciate your thoughtful, insightful responses of “no u” to the very valid arguments I made.

No thanks. He's a sellout

[Saint Milei]

Hey deadprez I really appreciate your thoughtful, insightful responses of “no u” to the very valid arguments I made.

Deadprez is just a troll who ads literally zero value to any discussion. It’s best to just save the effort and ignore everything he has to say

hey now i contribute, bigly

[Saint Milei]

It makes no sense to have Pete on a VP ticket he has little no appeal to black voters or other voters in POC coalition. Warren has issues winning over black voters as is right now it wouldn't make any sense to have a VP who struggles to appeal to them aswell.

Biden has the Southern Black coalition that stood behind him despite the racist comments. Harris and Booker represent the Northern blacks, who resent what Biden said. Blacks will unite behind whomever the nominee is; to get rid of Trump

Warren/Butigieg would get under 90%

[Saint Milei]

https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1190375615167373312?s=20

I mean, he’s polling poorly with African-Americans in no small part due to that community’s homophobia, so that part isn’t really his fault.  Oh and also because he fired a crooked police chief who happened to be black, but again not his fault the guy decided to commit a felony.

Funny how literally everyone I've seen make this take is white.

Is it really a "take" when you can just look at the polling? African-American support for gay marriage is routinely 10% lower than white support for it.

I think ur missing the point about it only being white people, typically privileged white people making statements like that.

[Saint Milei]

dude needs to drop out. It was obvious he had zero chance when he didn't address the police brutality concern in his own city.

[Saint Milei]

https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1190375615167373312?s=20

I mean, he’s polling poorly with African-Americans in no small part due to that community’s homophobia, so that part isn’t really his fault.  Oh and also because he fired a crooked police chief who happened to be black, but again not his fault the guy decided to commit a felony.

Funny how literally everyone I've seen make this take is white.

Is it really a "take" when you can just look at the polling? African-American support for gay marriage is routinely 10% lower than white support for it.

I think ur missing the point about it only being white people, typically privileged white people making statements like that.

So? If the statement is correct, it doesn't matter who's saying it.

Yes it does matter because it doesnt come across well. A white Republican talking about crime in black communities does not come across the same way as a Democrat doing the same.

[Saint Milei]

https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1190375615167373312?s=20

I mean, he’s polling poorly with African-Americans in no small part due to that community’s homophobia, so that part isn’t really his fault.  Oh and also because he fired a crooked police chief who happened to be black, but again not his fault the guy decided to commit a felony.

Funny how literally everyone I've seen make this take is white.

Is it really a "take" when you can just look at the polling? African-American support for gay marriage is routinely 10% lower than white support for it.

I think ur missing the point about it only being white people, typically privileged white people making statements like that.

I have seen enough evidence that I don’t think I’m making an even remotely unreasonable assumption by stating that one of them the major reasons Buttigieg does so poorly with African-American voters is that he’s gay.  That evidence has come in the form of focus group results (https://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/article236516903.html), admissions from African-American politicians (https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/11/03/sotu-clyburn-buttigieg.cnn), and anecdotal evidence from conversations I’ve had with African-Americans I know personally who have talked about the homophobic comments their friends and family members have made over the years. 

I'm sure your two black friends in real life count as enough evidence. Yeah black politicians, the same ones who hardly ever represent the interests of their constituents obviously know so much about this issue. Maybe if Pete actually did something and didnt come off as an idiot on issues about race his numbers would be better.

I'm not going to entertain this anymore. I honestly hate it when white people make statements like this. But I'm not surprised the out of touch atlas left does.

[Saint Milei]

https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1190375615167373312?s=20

I mean, he’s polling poorly with African-Americans in no small part due to that community’s homophobia, so that part isn’t really his fault.  Oh and also because he fired a crooked police chief who happened to be black, but again not his fault the guy decided to commit a felony.

Funny how literally everyone I've seen make this take is white.

Is it really a "take" when you can just look at the polling? African-American support for gay marriage is routinely 10% lower than white support for it.

I think ur missing the point about it only being white people, typically privileged white people making statements like that.

I have seen enough evidence that I don’t think I’m making an even remotely unreasonable assumption by stating that one of them the major reasons Buttigieg does so poorly with African-American voters is that he’s gay.  That evidence has come in the form of focus group results (https://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/article236516903.html), admissions from African-American politicians (https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/11/03/sotu-clyburn-buttigieg.cnn), and anecdotal evidence from conversations I’ve had with African-Americans I know personally who have talked about the homophobic comments their friends and family members have made over the years. 

I'm sure your two black friends in real life count as enough evidence. Yeah black politicians, the same ones who hardly ever represent the interests of their constituents obviously know so much about this issue. Maybe if Pete actually did something and didnt come off as an idiot on issues about race his numbers would be better.

I'm not going to entertain this anymore. I honestly hate it when white people make statements like this. But I'm not surprised the out of touch atlas left does.

I mean, it's a pretty objective statement.

It's an objective statement that blacks are homophobic?

[Saint Milei]

- I mean, despite Buttigieg having a worse record on criminal justice issues than I’d thought, I really don’t think it’s fair to say his record is indistinguishable from a Republicans’.  It’s not like he’s completely indifferent and I think he’s still gotten more than his share of undeserved flak on this sort of stuff.  I don’t think there’s a consistent pattern, so much as I’d say that he’s made a few mistakes in this area.  That said, I can understand why folks might be uneasy.  I mean, I can’t really say I blame African-Americans for never giving a white politician the benefit of the doubt on this stuff given that they’re still getting murdered with impunity by folks who are supposed to be protecting them.

I still think that overall he’d probably be the best President of anyone currently running despite the fact that his criminal justice record definitely leaves something to be desired.  Bullock would be second best, but since he doesn’t have a shot, whether I vote for Warren or Buttigieg will come down to whether the latter can 1) win Iowa, 2) score at least a strong top three finish in NH, and 3) is still a serious candidate by the time Ohio rolls around.  Weirdly, I get the sense that I’m far from the only Buttigieg supporter who would likely back Warren were he not in the race.  But I digress...

- With Harris, I think it was that she initially tried running on her prosecutorial experience while simultaneously running away from her prosecutorial record.  Voters called BS and rightly so.  Her big problem though is that she was a Romney-level weather vane.  Also, IIRC Buttigieg’s campaign almost got sunk by the shooting, but he really hit his answer about the issue out of the park in the first debate and that kinda ended the week of bad coverage.

Then he should be polling better with blacks. He isn't. Trump does better lmao

[Saint Milei]

I'm pretty convinced pete doesnt actually care about race issues.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/472548-buttigieg-i-was-slow-to-realize-south-bend-schools-were-not-desegregated


He might actually be the worst candidate in over 20 years

[Saint Milei]

I'm pretty convinced pete doesnt actually care about race issues.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/472548-buttigieg-i-was-slow-to-realize-south-bend-schools-were-not-desegregated


He might actually be the worst candidate in over 20 years

He's a mayor.  He has negligible influence over education policy.

It's not a good look any way you defend it