Israeli General Election (2019) II: Electric Boogaloo (17.9.2019)

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Aside from the draft law, what policies do the Haredi parties stymie that causes so much fury from the secular parties? I remember that old ad of Yair Lapid's father's party where the orthodox Jews are shown as a literal burden on a "secular" jews, so I know it's a big issue, but what do the seculars want?

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Trouble is how can a non-likud, non-haredi government even form? It's not like Lieberman and the Arabs can realistically be in the same government.

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What are the opposition parties stance on the Nation State Law?

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What would a secular revolution entail? Reform of the Chief Rabbinate? Civil marriage laws? Defunding of the Orthodox schools?

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how many Likud MK's could conceivably act as internal opposition to Bibi and join some kind of grand coalition without Netanyahu?

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What sort of demands will Otzmah make to support a government?

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I know the UTJ-Shas duo have a resilient floor, but do they have a ceiling? I.e. if the new government goes full secular, could the Haredi parties be the beneficiary of a religious backlash and win over Likud voters?

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Does Gideon Sa'ar have his own loyalists within likud that could defect to prop up anti Netanyahu gov?

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This might sound absurd, but could you ever see collaboration between the Haredi parties and the Islamist elements of Joint List? It's my understanding that (which could be false) that a lot of the ultra Orthodox are more interested in the "Jews get to live in traditional communities in the holy land" part of Zionism than the strong militarized state building, and in theory at least this is not different from the salafi instinct to not participate in the state, but build autonomous communities within.

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This might sound absurd, but could you ever see collaboration between the Haredi parties and the Islamist elements of Joint List? It's my understanding that (which could be false) that a lot of the ultra Orthodox are more interested in the "Jews get to live in traditional communities in the holy land" part of Zionism than the strong militarized state building, and in theory at least this is not different from the salafi instinct to not participate in the state, but build autonomous communities within.

The Israeli Posters will be able to answer this better, but as far as I understand, the Islamists in the Joint List, i.e. Raam, are affiliated with the Islamic Movement of Israel, who in turn, (at least the Northern Branch) are in a fold with the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas (and, by Extension, Iran) - adversaries of the Saudi Wahhabi Salafism and the approach of the Saudis that is not to politically confront the Israeli State. So even among the Islamist Israeli Arabs there is much appetite to confront the Idea of Zionism, through elections of otherwise and not isolate themselves as the Haredim do vis-a-vis the secular Jews.

That said, I think there has been very low-level tacit agreement between Islamists and the Haredim on issues of opposing Conscription or Arab/Haredi Schools being forced to fly the National Flag, as Rafi Peretz wanted to. But there it is just different principles happening to align in common opposition to "godless" Zionism.

You're also taking three (I think now) MKs when speaking of true Islamist politicians, previously two in the outgoing Knesset. Not much for the Haredi parties to work with.

I was thinking more in the long run, especially if we do see some form of 1SS is pushed through which would both boost the non-Jewish electorate significantly and consequently the political decisions of Muslim Israelis. This borders on speculative and off-topic thinking, but if we do see some kind of secular post-Bibi force of centralisers and military officials that want Israel as a unitary and modern state, the opposition could resemble some kind of collection of differing communities that want to be the right to live under their own laws and codes without big gubmint saying you have to teach women how to read in public school or whatever.

Obviously this isn't that likely to pan out, because decades of resentment from both sides would not be easy to be wiped clean, but I'm just musing.

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Are Arab voters reacting well to Joint List propping up Gantz government? Isn't that the sort of thing that could cause backlash with their cadre?