The 2016 map if Kasich was the nominee?

[RINO Tom]

Clinton wins in an extremely stable race using the Obama 2012 “out-of-touch Republican” strategy. The map is the same as 2012 except Iowa and Ohio go for the GOP.

I know you’re a big believer that Trump was this uniquely well positioned candidate to beat Hillary, but Kasich would not have been seen as out of touch and would have held up better with suburban Republicans.  I’ll actually predict he wins the exact same map plus New Hampshire and maybe Minnesota.  While Trump fanned the flames of voters who thought the Democrats “left them” or whatever, Democrats did a plenty effective job of earning that impression, themselves.  Hillary couldn’t run the “out of touch” campaign vs. anyone, lol, and Kasich wouldn’t provide the vote tradeoff Trump and Hillary had.

[RINO Tom]

Why does everyone think a bland moderate republican would sweep the rust belt?

Because that’s what bland moderate Republicans had been doing there since 2012.

Also:

Why does everyone think a bland moderate republican would sweep the rust belt?

Because he isn't Clinton.

[RINO Tom]

Why does everyone think a bland moderate republican would sweep the rust belt?

Because that’s what bland moderate Republicans had been doing there since 2012.

Also:

Why does everyone think a bland moderate republican would sweep the rust belt?

Because he isn't Clinton.

Idk who you consider a moderate, but I sure hope it isn't the likes of Scott Walker

I was more being snarky, and I should have reworded it; my point was several Midwestern states had no problems supporting “more conventional” Republicans, and it wasn’t Trump’s policy views alone that opened the Rust Belt door for the GOP.

[RINO Tom]

...people seriously think Kasich would have won 2016?

Uh, yes.  Lol

[RINO Tom]

...people seriously think Kasich would have won 2016?

Uh, yes.  Lol

Don’t waste your breath with them, it’s fruitless.

Kasich is not some juggernaut. Most Democrats would have lost to Drumpf.

And without the popular vote. At this point, it's pretty clear that Hillary actually was the best shot for the year [well, after a much more with-it Biden turned it down].

You’re not telling us something we haven’t heard; we don’t agree.