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« on: March 15, 2017, 05:58:20 PM »
« edited: March 15, 2017, 06:05:20 PM by Old School Republican »

This should ruling should be overturned , I disagree with the order but it is not even close to being unconstitutional and the fact that this happened proves that judges have become way too political .This ban does not apply to people who have green cards, or already have visas, it just applies to future visas. Secondly it doesnt have any religious exceptions which means it does not violate the establishment clause.

Judges are ONLY supposed to look at the written language of a law or executive order not intent or campaign speeches by person who signed it.

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« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2017, 06:09:24 PM »

We'll have to await the conclusion of the review process before we can celebrate anything, but things are certainly looking good. Whether or not this truly amounts to a "Muslim ban" is debatable, but Trump didn't help his case by campaigning on the promise of a Muslim ban. Now any proposal to limit travel or migration from a Muslim majority nation will be immediately viewed as a ban on persons of the Islamic faith, which is exactly the perception the courts and American public should maintain.

Absolutely not , unless it has religious exemptions the order is not a religious ban and it should not be overturned.
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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2017, 06:12:55 PM »

We'll have to await the conclusion of the review process before we can celebrate anything, but things are certainly looking good. Whether or not this truly amounts to a "Muslim ban" is debatable, but Trump didn't help his case by campaigning on the promise of a Muslim ban. Now any proposal to limit travel or migration from a Muslim majority nation will be immediately viewed as a ban on persons of the Islamic faith, which is exactly the perception the courts and American public should maintain.

Absolutely not , unless it has religious exemptions the order is not a religious ban and it should not be overturned.

I'm wondering if the Justice Department has any room to make the argument in court that this ban is significantly different from the original order. I haven't looked too deep into it, so I'm not sure.


Its different in 2 major areas this one unlike the last one does not apply to permanent residents, and unlike the last one doesnt have religious exemptions  
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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2017, 06:13:46 PM »

Its so obviously not a Muslim ban it's painful to watch hacks try and tell me that it is.  It might be stupid, but it aint a Muslim ban!
It's a national origin ban. It still violates the 1965 law.

It's only temporarily which means its still valid 
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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2017, 06:19:04 PM »

We'll have to await the conclusion of the review process before we can celebrate anything, but things are certainly looking good. Whether or not this truly amounts to a "Muslim ban" is debatable, but Trump didn't help his case by campaigning on the promise of a Muslim ban. Now any proposal to limit travel or migration from a Muslim majority nation will be immediately viewed as a ban on persons of the Islamic faith, which is exactly the perception the courts and American public should maintain.

Absolutely not , unless it has religious exemptions the order is not a religious ban and it should not be overturned.

The intended target of the ban is implicit in the law by its application solely to Muslim-majority countries. If this ban was truly intended to target countries that are exporters of alleged terrorists, then why does it not even include Saudi Arabia - the home of numerically and proportionally more terrorists than any other? If we cannot trust the law to include the country most responsible for terrorism, including those responsible for the 9/11 attacks, then how can we trust that it's stated purpose is its actual objective?

judges are only supposed to look at letter of the order not perceived intent .
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« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2017, 01:57:53 AM »

Its so obviously not a Muslim ban it's painful to watch hacks try and tell me that it is.  It might be stupid, but it aint a Muslim ban!

Except when Trump said he wants to allow Christians and other minorities to be able to come in from said countries easier but not the other guys, what are they called? Oh yeah, Muslims!


That was not in ban 2
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« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2017, 02:03:32 AM »

We'll have to await the conclusion of the review process before we can celebrate anything, but things are certainly looking good. Whether or not this truly amounts to a "Muslim ban" is debatable, but Trump didn't help his case by campaigning on the promise of a Muslim ban. Now any proposal to limit travel or migration from a Muslim majority nation will be immediately viewed as a ban on persons of the Islamic faith, which is exactly the perception the courts and American public should maintain.

Absolutely not , unless it has religious exemptions the order is not a religious ban and it should not be overturned.

So, by that thinking, we should never have struck down literacy tests for voting?  After all, they weren't explicitly racially discriminatory.  Just look at the written words and never mind the effect, right?

That said, this is weak sauce. I expect that by the time it makes it to the Supreme Court, they'll be back to a full court and the EO will mostly be allowed to go forward.  The temporary 90-day ban will be moot as by then the review in policy that it's supposed to give time for should have been long done by the time this get to SCOTUS.

except the 14th 15th and 19th amendments clearly said you coudnt ban citizens from voting for those reasons.
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