Why does the future always have to be liberal?

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Because society naturally progresses over time, public opinion naturally sh**ts leftward due to younger people and older people dying off.

Not true


Silent Generation and Boomers were a lot more conservative than the GI generation

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It's not, the south was far more reactionary about slavery in 1860 than it was in 1800.

Yes, circumstances such as the Northwest ordinance and isolation of slavery in southern states, or Germany losing WW1 can hinder the process... but most societies progress in periods of prosperity.

The US was more conservative in the 80s 90s and 00s than 30s 40s 50s

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It's not, the south was far more reactionary about slavery in 1860 than it was in 1800.

Yes, circumstances such as the Northwest ordinance and isolation of slavery in southern states, or Germany losing WW1 can hinder the process... but most societies progress in periods of prosperity.

The US was more conservative in the 80s 90s and 00s than 30s 40s 50s

For whom? My great grandparents were sharecroppers in the 1930s ffs.

He doesn't mean civil rights. He means economic policy given his track record.

Civil Rights arent a left right issue


There were many conservatives who were staunch supporter of Civil rights, while their were liberals who opposed it .

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It's not, the south was far more reactionary about slavery in 1860 than it was in 1800.

Yes, circumstances such as the Northwest ordinance and isolation of slavery in southern states, or Germany losing WW1 can hinder the process... but most societies progress in periods of prosperity.

The US was more conservative in the 80s 90s and 00s than 30s 40s 50s

For whom? My great grandparents were sharecroppers in the 1930s ffs.

He doesn't mean civil rights. He means economic policy given his track record.

Civil Rights arent a left right issue


There were many conservatives who were staunch supporter of Civil rights, while their were liberals who opposed it .

Hey guess what? Economic policy plays a huge role in civil rights

1980s and 2000s were more conservative when it comes to economic policy that 1930s-1970s by far.

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It’s pretty simple. Young people tend to be liberal, and old people tend to be conservative. Pundits predict the old conservatives will die out and the young liberals will overtake the voting landscape. Said young liberals get older (wiser?) and become more conservative. The young liberals of the previous generation become old conservatives, and their children become the young liberals. Rinse and repeat.

Reagan did better among younger voters than older voters

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It's not, the south was far more reactionary about slavery in 1860 than it was in 1800.

Yes, circumstances such as the Northwest ordinance and isolation of slavery in southern states, or Germany losing WW1 can hinder the process... but most societies progress in periods of prosperity.

The US was more conservative in the 80s 90s and 00s than 30s 40s 50s

For whom? My great grandparents were sharecroppers in the 1930s ffs.

He doesn't mean civil rights. He means economic policy given his track record.

Civil Rights arent a left right issue


There were many conservatives who were staunch supporter of Civil rights, while their were liberals who opposed it .

Name three of either.

Conservative: Richard Nixon , Howard Baker , even Barry Goldwater (he voted for 1957,1960 CRA while LBJ watered them down)


Liberal : Robert Byrd

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Liberal : Robert Byrd

Wait.. what?  You're going to have to show the math to me on this one. Was Byrd a liberal?

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Robert_Byrd.htm

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It's not, the south was far more reactionary about slavery in 1860 than it was in 1800.

Yes, circumstances such as the Northwest ordinance and isolation of slavery in southern states, or Germany losing WW1 can hinder the process... but most societies progress in periods of prosperity.

The US was more conservative in the 80s 90s and 00s than 30s 40s 50s

For whom? My great grandparents were sharecroppers in the 1930s ffs.

He doesn't mean civil rights. He means economic policy given his track record.

Civil Rights arent a left right issue


There were many conservatives who were staunch supporter of Civil rights, while their were liberals who opposed it .

Name three of either.

Conservative: Richard Nixon , Howard Baker , even Barry Goldwater (he voted for 1957,1960 CRA while LBJ watered them down)


Liberal : Robert Byrd

Nixon? The man who founded the "Southern strategy"? Maybe. Baker as a conservative vs. a moderate is rather a stretch, as he's the definition of the former. Even he ran against the CRA when he first ran for senate in 1964. And Goldwater? The man who made fighting the REAL 1964 CRA act the centerpiece of his campaign, plus voting against EVERY single piece of civil rights legislation to every come down the pike (VRA, etc. etc. etc.)? Uncompelling examples all around, particularly that last one.

I'll give you Byrd. Until looking at Wikipedia just now I thought he'd abandoned opposition to Civil Rights legislation much earlier than he actually did.

Any others to name among the "many" such liberals you claim exist, though?

Goldwater wasnt even in the Senate during the time the Voting Rights act passed : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater

and voted for every other civil rights act(1957,1960)


If you count Goldwater as anti civil rights , Al Gore Sr counts too

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It's not, the south was far more reactionary about slavery in 1860 than it was in 1800.

Yes, circumstances such as the Northwest ordinance and isolation of slavery in southern states, or Germany losing WW1 can hinder the process... but most societies progress in periods of prosperity.

The US was more conservative in the 80s 90s and 00s than 30s 40s 50s

For whom? My great grandparents were sharecroppers in the 1930s ffs.

He doesn't mean civil rights. He means economic policy given his track record.

Civil Rights arent a left right issue


There were many conservatives who were staunch supporter of Civil rights, while their were liberals who opposed it .

Name three of either.

Conservative: Richard Nixon , Howard Baker , even Barry Goldwater (he voted for 1957,1960 CRA while LBJ watered them down)


Liberal : Robert Byrd

Nixon? The man who founded the "Southern strategy"? Maybe. Baker as a conservative vs. a moderate is rather a stretch, as he's the definition of the former. Even he ran against the CRA when he first ran for senate in 1964. And Goldwater? The man who made fighting the REAL 1964 CRA act the centerpiece of his campaign, plus voting against EVERY single piece of civil rights legislation to every come down the pike (VRA, etc. etc. etc.)? Uncompelling examples all around, particularly that last one.

I'll give you Byrd. Until looking at Wikipedia just now I thought he'd abandoned opposition to Civil Rights legislation much earlier than he actually did.

Any others to name among the "many" such liberals you claim exist, though?

Goldwater wasnt even in the Senate during the time the Voting Rights act passed : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater

and voted for every other civil rights act(1957,1960)


If you count Goldwater as anti civil rights , Al Gore Sr counts too

You are factually incorrect. Goldwater voted against the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and stridently campaign against it when running for president. The only voted for those prior civil rights bills after he did supported highly restrictive amendments to them that water them down to the point of uselessness. The fact that he was one of the few non Southern Republicans to oppose the actual, real bona fide, Civil Rights bill, passed in 1964 speaks volumes. Don't be pedantic.

Ok I’ll reclairfy

Goldwater opposed Segregation in public areas and Jim Crow  (this is clearly true  )

By the way it was LBJ who watered the other two civil rights bills down not Goldwater

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Almost none of those people listed at the bottom were "liberal". They may have been liberal on economics or even foreign policy but being liberal also means being liberal on major social issues like Civil Rights for minorities and none of those Senators were liberals.

Fulbright, Sparkman, Byrd (at the time) were all segregationists. You can't be a segregationist and be classified as being liberal. That's like saying the Nazis were liberals because they were liberal on economics issues. Gore Sr was a moderate Dem not a liberal. Russell B. Long was not a "liberal" also he was very much ignorant when it came to racial issues like most White Americans (especially Southern Whites) at the time. Anyways, Southern Democrats (at the time) believed in liberalism (primarily economically) only when applied to Southern Whites.

You can absolutely be a segregationist and a liberal. Liberalism is a school of political thought, not a set of policy positions. It would be fair to say they didn't necessarily support segregation because they were liberals, but it's not accurate to say they were not liberals because they were segregationists.

Many of the founding fathers were liberals and also abided the maintenance of slavery because they either had later-disproven views about racial supremacy or mixed their liberal ideology with pragmatic considerations for the economic foundation of the country. (Some were simply hypocrites, but not all or even many.)

Liberals in America generally mean being social liberals as well. C'mon you know this. You can't be a segregationist and be socially liberal therefore they were NOT liberals.

We're not talking about classical liberalism.

so you think William Jennings Bryan, who was similar to someone like Bernie Sanders on economic issues, wasn't a liberal because he was socially conservative?

What about Christian Socialist or even Christian Communist parties in Europe? are they conservatives too just because they don't like abortion and LGBT rights?

In the modern sense, William Jennings Bryan is not a liberal. He was a "liberal" in his day. Also, many people can support liberal economic policy but only want it to apply to a specific group. Heck, the KKK believes in social democracy but only for White Americans. I guess that makes them liberals. C'mon man.

WJB even by modern definition is far closer to being a liberal than an conservative

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Its really true only when it comes to social issues,

when it comes to economic issues it is not true

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so you think William Jennings Bryan, who was similar to someone like Bernie Sanders on economic issues, wasn't a liberal because he was socially conservative?

Bryan wasn't anything other than a conservative when it came to economic issues.

LMAO !!!!!!!