Majority of Democrats think Obama was a better President than Washington

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https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/473894-poll-majority-of-democrats-think-obama-was-better-president


How did this country get so historically ignorant

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I don't agree that Obama was better than Washington. But this part of the article is also worth noting:

Forty-four percent of Republican voters polled said Washington was a better president than Trump, while 37 percent said Trump is better than Washington.

...The question was “inspired” by a recent Economist/YouGov Poll that asked voters whether Trump or Abraham Lincoln was a better “Republican president,” according to the poll. That poll found that 53 percent of Republicans said Trump was a better president than Lincoln, while 47 percent chose the Civil War-era leader.

Which is why I asked how has this country gotten so historically ignorant

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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that most Americans were not alive for the Washington presidency, so they can't exactly recall his significant accomplishments *when he was President*. Obama, on the other hand...

Which is exactly why I used the term historically ignorant.  I mean you learn about Washington's and Lincoln's accomplishments when you are in Elementry School yet we get polls like this.

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Well, what, 30% of Democrats have a pretty obvious reason to dislike George Washington, no?

It wasnt 30% it was 63%. The excuses made by red avatars in this thread lol mirror the excuses made by many blue avatars in the Lincoln thread.


The fact is all these polls show is how historically ignorant our country has become

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See when polls are released showing Trump more popular among republicans than Lincoln, it's because republicans are stupid and racist and etc. But when polls show Obama more popular than Washington they rush to defend the party, saying sh*t like "they don't remember him". Shut up, get a grip.

Lincoln ended the brutal, dehumanizing American system of legalized slavery. Washington condoned and personally participated in it. It's baffling why this is so hard for you.

I would still rank Washington high in spite of that because of the precedents he set, but it's ok for people to disagree about the rankings of the presidents.

On top of that, it's fairly likely that Obama will be widely considered a top 10 president in the future, certainly top 20, while Trump is a lock to be bottom 5 or worse, so the Trump-Obama comparisons probably don't work to begin with.

Reagan is also considered a top 10 President by historians so if Republicans consider him the greatest would you defend them . The fact is Reagan is still nowhere near as great as Washington and Lincoln and anyone who believes that is historically ignorant .


Without Washington, this country would not exist in the first place, and the bill of rights passed under his administration so yes to say Obama>Washington is historically ignorant and should not be defended. 

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Well, what, 30% of Democrats have a pretty obvious reason to dislike George Washington, no?

It wasnt 30% it was 63%. The excuses made by red avatars in this thread lol mirror the excuses made by many blue avatars in the Lincoln thread.


The fact is all these polls show is how historically ignorant our country has become

If you're looking for "Both Sides" excuses to assuage your conscience so that you can vote for the GOP in 2020 without feeling shameful, then please just do so privately instead of cluttering Atlas with inane threads and other transparent drivel.

Im not voting for Trump in 2020, though yes I will vote GOP downballot.

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At any rate, all of this "best president" stuff is a bunch of subjective exercises often rooted in simple name recognition or recitation of third grade history facts (props to Computer10110, who has yet to break away from third grade level political thinking despite being on Atlas for years!). Washington was a general and the first president: how many people can name anything else of significance that he did without scouring the internet? How many peoples' lives did he impact while in office (note: there were only 3.9 million people in the US in 1790 - and 700k wouldn't enjoy any rights or say - even on paper - for another 75 years)?

I don't see how the judgment for "best president" can be anything other than "the person who helped the greatest number of people in the largest possible way", which objectively was FDR. His tenure presided in dramatically elevating the standards of living of tens of millions of people. Washington didn't do that, Lincoln didn't do that, Reagan didn't do that and Obama didn't do that - no matter how you try to stretch it (muh tax cuts, muh ACA, etc).

The Bill of Rights> New Deal and it really isnt even close. Yes there are many people to credit for the Bill of Rights but Washington is one of them.


Also how did Lincoln not help more people than FDR did, I mean Lincoln actions to free the slaves not only freed the slaves that were in bondage during that time but millions of unborn slaves to come.