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Adam T
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« on: October 18, 2017, 02:14:29 PM »

I'm tired of Hillary's commentary as someone who supported her in 08 and 16. She's so incredibly out of touch.

We need to address income inequality, campaign finance reform, and many other problems. Democrats need to be unabashedly for the working class Americans. Identity politics is not the winning formula (not to disrespect Civil Rights Battles -- there's a lot of things we still need to fight here. But it can't be the main focus of the democrat party.).

"Working class Americans" aren't an identified group?  (Or being for them isn't a form of 'identity politics?')
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Adam T
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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2017, 04:35:56 PM »

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Umm.... what? Jesus christ, I come from a well-off family but even I know this is incredibly out-of-touch. Most people aren't making over $100,000 a year and are trying to make ends meet......

I'm not trying to create a class war. I just see income inequality as a huge issue in America that keeps on getting worse and worse. You have to do something to fix this issue. I'm not saying burn down all the banks, but jesus, try to find some policy that helps working Americans. America has so many benefits for people who are old and close to retirement/retire (Social Security and Medicare), but yet it has few benefits for working class Americans? Yet we pay all these taxes for social security, medicare, military spending... and for the vast majority of Americans they get little for it? Medicare and Social Security are great programs, but most people aren't 62 or older, yet they're spending so much of their income on these programs + military spending.

1.'Working class' are usually defined as blue collar people who work in manufacturing.  Maybe you're using a different definition.

2.When people say 'you have to do something' it indicates to me that they generally mistake activity for accomplishment. 
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Adam T
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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2017, 06:10:20 PM »

I guess we are going to relive the 2016 Democratic primaries over and over again.

And why shouldn't it?  There are genuine debates in the Democratic Party over a number of issues, generally but not entirely between the more centrist Democratic wing of Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and the more left Democratic wing led by the non-Democrat Bernie Sanders.

I fail to see what is wrong with a political party debating ideas.
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Adam T
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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2017, 04:34:35 AM »

1. Left wing economics won't pull minorities out of poverty. It'll just push everyone else into poverty.

The idea that income equality causes poverty is absurd. Norway has the 3rd lowest Gini coefficient and the 3rd highest per capita income.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

Norway:

1. Has a TON of oil money
2. Gets another huge load of money by ripping off the US on pharmaceuticals.

Not to mention the entire country has less people than the state of Minnesota

People put this out as an example of how 'socialism' can work in a small nation, but not in a large nation.  I've never seen any explanation of why, if 'socialism' works that it can't be scaled up.

This strikes me as one of those arguments that people who have no real argument throw out to make it seem as if they have an argument.

For what it's worth, neither of the other claims are correct either:
1.Norway greatly restricts spending its oil wealth
2.If the U.S agreed to pay for the pharmaceuticals, if the U.S overpaid, that's not Norway's fault.  (I have no idea what Norway ripping off the U.S on pharmaceuticals refers to specifically, but I don't have to know anything about it to know that the argument makes no sense.)
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Adam T
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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2017, 04:51:17 AM »

After reading all the comments here, I think the only person here with the right ideas is...me.

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