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Megameow
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« on: January 27, 2018, 05:44:12 PM »

This is basically entirely a result of the new prominence of the transgender movement.

A lot of people came around to acceptance of gays because they were convinced by arguments that "gays just want the same rights as you, there's no slippery slope"

but now we see that it's a mainstream liberal position that children should be given sex change hormones and puberty blockers.

There obviously was a slippery slope and people feel like they were tricked into supporting gays under false pretenses.


progressive cultural shifts engender backlash. advocating for social equality and acceptance for ethnic, religious, and sexual minorities wakes people up. seeing opposition to these movements should inspire a greater push to advance equal rights and acceptance, not cowardice and retreat (like mortimer's explanation).

if someone was supportive of homosexuality, but then heard about transgender people and got turned off, then lemme say this: i understand the hesitance to accept and understand people who are different from you. especially when those ppl are different in a way that seems new, that you're unfamiliar with. but the challenge for all of us, morally, is to have open minds and seek to understand people who are different from us.

the lgbt movement pushed for acceptance of gays and lesbians. they were on the right side of history and morality in the 50s and 60s, and they still are. transgender people have only pushed for acceptance more recently. understandably, more people are hesitant to accept them. but with greater understanding, things will change. and ppl pushing for transgender acceptance are on the right side of history and morality too.

there are differing opinions within the lgbt movement and within the left about how to understand and accept transgender people. most want to be open minded and sensitive to the experiences of those who feel differently with their gender identity. children understand their gender identity at the same time, regardless of whether they're transgender or not. children who are transgender should be treated appropriately with the consultation of parents and doctors. treatment to help them live their true gender identity may be necessary, especially to treat gender dysphoria (distress/harm caused by gender-sex mismatch).

regardless, for every theoretical parent who gives their child hormone therapy and puberty blockers, there are dozens of transgender children and young adults who kill themselves because their families reject them or kick them out. it's imperative that regardless of how you feel about treating these kids, they are real; being transgender is real, natural, and kids should be accepted and loved.
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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2018, 02:25:22 AM »

This might have something to do with the attacks on religious freedoms of businesses.

I Guess muslims should be able to refuse service to non-muslims huh,

No one is refusing service to gays.  Some people think that certain relationships are immoral and they don't want to bake a cake for a ceremony that celebrates such relationships.  They would be fine with baking a birthday cake for a person who is in a gay relationship.

isnt it kinda weird that cake bakers are getting into the business of judging the morality of their customers' life choices? why would a baker, religious or not, care who the cake was for? just take their money for christ's sake lol
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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2018, 11:49:23 AM »

This might have something to do with the attacks on religious freedoms of businesses.

I Guess muslims should be able to refuse service to non-muslims huh,

No one is refusing service to gays.  Some people think that certain relationships are immoral and they don't want to bake a cake for a ceremony that celebrates such relationships.  They would be fine with baking a birthday cake for a person who is in a gay relationship.

isnt it kinda weird that cake bakers are getting into the business of judging the morality of their customers' life choices? why would a baker, religious or not, care who the cake was for? just take their money for christ's sake lol

They don't actually care who the cake is for, they only care about the event the cake is for.

that still doesnt make sense. why would a baker care what happens to the cake after they make and sell it? i personally could care less if my cake was served at a satanist's birthday party, not my business.
all these christian bakers judging like hell. what happened to "only G-D can judge me?"
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2018, 08:17:49 PM »

I don't think they are homophobic because of gay people themselves, rather the LBGT movement has gotten quite over the top lately. No, there are only 2 genders, and no, we are not referring to you as xi/xir.

Where do you think the LBGT movement has gone "over the top?" Why does it matter how many genders there really are? If someone feels it right for them to do something in-between or whatever, what is the problem with just letting them do it? How does that represent a public policy problem? I personally know "women" who have become "men," and are doing just fine, and as far as I can tell, really seem like men. Modern medicine is quite miraculous sometimes.

If you are a man, and think you are a woman, you are not a woman. I don't give a crap about what you think you are. And I don't think most of America does either.

unfortunately science and psychology disagree with u. gender identity is psychological, and studies of brains have shown some areas that are more similar to a trans person's preferred gender than their birth one.

also regarding pronouns, it shouldnt be illegal to use them incorrectly obviously. all lgbt ppl are saying is that it's rude and inaccurate to use the wrong pronouns for someone; you're not being a criminal, just a dick. ppl who dont believe in transgenderism can be rude all they want, all trans are asking is to be treated with respect and acceptance, and at the very least an open mind.
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